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truth seeker
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 Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Muhammad Is More Important Than Allah |
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When a Muslim is engaged in the prayer (salat), it is forbidden for him to respond to people who try to speak to him while he is praying until he is finished.
However, from the following Hadith you will see that Muhammad wanted to be an exception to the rule:
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 226
Narrated Abu Said Al-Mualla:
While I was praying, the Prophet passed by and called me, but I did not go to him till I had finished my prayer. When I went to him, he said, "What prevented you from coming?" I said, "I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say" "O you who believes Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle." (8.24) Then he added, "Shall I tell you the most superior Sura in the Qur'an before I go out of the mosque?" When the Prophet intended to go out (of the Mosque), I reminded him and he said, "That is: "Alhamdu-lillahi Rabbil-'Alamin (Surat-al-fatiha)' which is the seven oft repeated verses (Al-Mathani) and the Grand Quran which has been given to me." |
Before I hear the, “Read the hadith in Arabic to understand it!” argument, here is the Arabic version:
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حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ حَدَّثَنَا غُنْدَرٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ حَفْصِ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى قَالَ
مَرَّ بِيَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأَنَا أُصَلِّي فَدَعَانِي فَلَمْ آتِهِ حَتَّى صَلَّيْتُ ثُمَّ أَتَيْتُ فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَأْتِيَنِي فَقُلْتُ كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَقَالَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ أَلَا أُعَلِّمُكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ أَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ فَذَهَبَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِيَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ فَذَكَّرْتُهُ فَقَالَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ |
And before a Muslim says, “not all hadith are sahih (authentic)”, this hadith was repeated two more times in Sahih Bukhari:
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 1
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying in the Mosque, Allah's Apostle called me but I did not respond to him. Later I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say'--"Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle when he calls you." (8.24)
He then said to me, "I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Qur'an, before you leave the Mosque." Then he got hold of my hand, and when he intended to leave (the Mosque), I said to him, "Didn't you say to me, 'I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Quran?' He said, "Al-Hamdu-Lillah Rabbi-l-Alamin (i.e. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds) which is Al-Sab'a Al-Mathani (i.e. seven repeatedly recited Verses) and the Grand Qur'an which has been given to me." |
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حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى عَنْ شُعْبَةَ قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي خُبَيْبُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ حَفْصِ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى قَالَ
كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فِي الْمَسْجِدِ فَدَعَانِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَلَمْ أُجِبْهُ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَقَالَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ سُورَةً هِيَ أَعْظَمُ السُّوَرِ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ ثُمَّ أَخَذَ بِيَدِي فَلَمَّا أَرَادَ أَنْ يَخْرُجَ قُلْتُ لَهُ أَلَمْ تَقُلْ لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ سُورَةً هِيَ أَعْظَمُ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَالَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ |
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 170
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying, Allah's Apostle passed me and called me, but I did not go to him until I had finished the prayer. Then I went to him, and he said, "What prevented you from coming to me? Didn't Allah say:-- "O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah (by obeying Him) and His Apostle when He calls you?" He then said, "I will inform you of the greatest Sura in the Qur'an before I leave (the mosque)." When Allah's Apostle got ready to leave (the mosque), I reminded him. He said, "It is: 'Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.' (i.e. Surat-al-Fatiha) As-sab'a Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses)." |
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حَدَّثَنِي إِسْحَاقُ أَخْبَرَنَا رَوْحٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ سَمِعْتُ حَفْصَ بْنَ عَاصِمٍ يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ
كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَمَرَّ بِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَدَعَانِي فَلَمْ آتِهِ حَتَّى صَلَّيْتُ ثُمَّ أَتَيْتُهُ فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَأْتِيَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ أَخْرُجَ فَذَهَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِيَخْرُجَ فَذَكَرْتُ لَهُ
وَقَالَ مُعَاذٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ سَمِعَ حَفْصًا سَمِعَ أَبَا سَعِيدٍ رَجُلًا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِهَذَا وَقَالَ هِيَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي |
The verse Muhammd invoked is Quran 8:24:
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O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُم لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ يَحُولُ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَقَلْبِهِ وَأَنَّهُ إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ |
So according to the above hadiths, Muhammad tells Muslims that even if they are performing salat to Allah, they must respond to him (Muhammad) if he calls them.
This puts to rest the claim by Muslims that Muhammad was simply a messenger and that Allah is the greatest. Islam was all about obeying Muhammad.
I would like to place these hadiths in Wiki Islam. Does anyone know which category I should place them in?
Thanks.
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There is a sahih hadith that says No one will have faith until he loves the messenger more than his own children, parents and the rest of humanity. You might want to include that as well if you are enterng this into the wiki. I can google for it and give you the hadith number if you want it.
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| Sundried Atheist wrote: |
| There is a sahih hadith that says No one will have faith until he loves the messenger more than his own children, parents and the rest of humanity. You might want to include that as well if you are enterng this into the wiki. I can google for it and give you the hadith number if you want it. |
It's not the same as the hadiths I posted though. The hadith you are referring to does not say or imply he is more important than Allah.
Quite frankly I was stunned when I found these hadiths. I found one of them by sheer luck as I was studying some tafsirs. I found the rest by searching the USC database.
I never knew Muhammad explicitly told someone to stop praying to Allah just to respond to him.
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| truth_seeker_2000 wrote: |
| Sundried Atheist wrote: |
| There is a sahih hadith that says No one will have faith until he loves the messenger more than his own children, parents and the rest of humanity. You might want to include that as well if you are enterng this into the wiki. I can google for it and give you the hadith number if you want it. |
It's not the same as the hadiths I posted though. The hadith you are referring to does not say or imply he is more important than Allah.
Quite frankly I was stunned when I found these hadiths. I found one of them by sheer luck as I was studying some tafsirs. I found the rest by searching the USC database.
I never knew Muhammad explicitly told someone to stop praying to Allah just to respond to him. |
Ok. I see what you mean.
It's an interesting find TS2K. Very revealing. I would love o see how muslims bend over backwards trying to find a justification for treating this as a "special case".
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| Sundried Atheist wrote: |
| There is a sahih hadith that says No one will have faith until he loves the messenger more than his own children, parents and the rest of humanity. You might want to include that as well if you are enterng this into the wiki. I can google for it and give you the hadith number if you want it. |
It's already there. 
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| more proof of his "ego" and how he wanted personal CONTROL of the weak and gullible lol....yes, please truth seeker, keep posting this and lets see what the muslims make of it!!! |
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| keep posting this and lets see what the muslims make of it!!! |
Thank you. I wonder if this should appear on the main site. It's very significant.
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Megalomania is what this is called I believe. what Mohammed was trying to say was ' OK I invented this Allah guy so I am more important than him.'
I dont think many muslims will touch this thread far to tricky i mean they cant 'diss' 'Old Mo' but then there is the problem cos' allah is supposed to be boss. Round and round in circles they will go.
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For the most part, doesn't every command in the quran implore the believer to obey allah and his apostle?
Or proscribe that death and war await those who go against allah, or his apostle?
Just a question...
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For the most part, doesn't every command in the quran implore the believer to obey allah and his apostle?
Or proscribe that death and war await those who go against allah, or his apostle?
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Yes pretty much, but unlike these hadiths in the quran Mohammed merely claims equality in obediance to him and allah. Judging by these hadiths he claims to be more important than allah.
A muslim shouldn't stop praying for anything, except for mohammed who couldn't wait patiently to tell his tale.  |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Muhammad Is More Important Than Allah |
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| truth_seeker_2000 wrote: |
When a Muslim is engaged in the prayer (salat), it is forbidden for him to respond to people who try to speak to him while he is praying until he is finished.
However, from the following Hadith you will see that Muhammad wanted to be an exception to the rule:
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 226
Narrated Abu Said Al-Mualla:
While I was praying, the Prophet passed by and called me, but I did not go to him till I had finished my prayer. When I went to him, he said, "What prevented you from coming?" I said, "I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say" "O you who believes Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle." (8.24) Then he added, "Shall I tell you the most superior Sura in the Qur'an before I go out of the mosque?" When the Prophet intended to go out (of the Mosque), I reminded him and he said, "That is: "Alhamdu-lillahi Rabbil-'Alamin (Surat-al-fatiha)' which is the seven oft repeated verses (Al-Mathani) and the Grand Quran which has been given to me." |
Before I hear the, “Read the hadith in Arabic to understand it!” argument, here is the Arabic version:
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حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ حَدَّثَنَا غُنْدَرٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ حَفْصِ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى قَالَ
مَرَّ بِيَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأَنَا أُصَلِّي فَدَعَانِي فَلَمْ آتِهِ حَتَّى صَلَّيْتُ ثُمَّ أَتَيْتُ فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَأْتِيَنِي فَقُلْتُ كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَقَالَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ أَلَا أُعَلِّمُكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ أَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ فَذَهَبَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِيَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ فَذَكَّرْتُهُ فَقَالَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ |
And before a Muslim says, “not all hadith are sahih (authentic)”, this hadith was repeated two more times in Sahih Bukhari:
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 1
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying in the Mosque, Allah's Apostle called me but I did not respond to him. Later I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say'--"Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle when he calls you." (8.24)
He then said to me, "I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Qur'an, before you leave the Mosque." Then he got hold of my hand, and when he intended to leave (the Mosque), I said to him, "Didn't you say to me, 'I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Quran?' He said, "Al-Hamdu-Lillah Rabbi-l-Alamin (i.e. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds) which is Al-Sab'a Al-Mathani (i.e. seven repeatedly recited Verses) and the Grand Qur'an which has been given to me." |
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حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى عَنْ شُعْبَةَ قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي خُبَيْبُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ حَفْصِ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى قَالَ
كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فِي الْمَسْجِدِ فَدَعَانِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَلَمْ أُجِبْهُ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَقَالَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ سُورَةً هِيَ أَعْظَمُ السُّوَرِ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَخْرُجَ مِنْ الْمَسْجِدِ ثُمَّ أَخَذَ بِيَدِي فَلَمَّا أَرَادَ أَنْ يَخْرُجَ قُلْتُ لَهُ أَلَمْ تَقُلْ لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ سُورَةً هِيَ أَعْظَمُ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَالَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ |
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 170
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying, Allah's Apostle passed me and called me, but I did not go to him until I had finished the prayer. Then I went to him, and he said, "What prevented you from coming to me? Didn't Allah say:-- "O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah (by obeying Him) and His Apostle when He calls you?" He then said, "I will inform you of the greatest Sura in the Qur'an before I leave (the mosque)." When Allah's Apostle got ready to leave (the mosque), I reminded him. He said, "It is: 'Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.' (i.e. Surat-al-Fatiha) As-sab'a Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses)." |
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حَدَّثَنِي إِسْحَاقُ أَخْبَرَنَا رَوْحٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ سَمِعْتُ حَفْصَ بْنَ عَاصِمٍ يُحَدِّثُ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُعَلَّى رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ
كُنْتُ أُصَلِّي فَمَرَّ بِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَدَعَانِي فَلَمْ آتِهِ حَتَّى صَلَّيْتُ ثُمَّ أَتَيْتُهُ فَقَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَأْتِيَ أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَجِيبُوا لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ
ثُمَّ قَالَ لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ أَخْرُجَ فَذَهَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِيَخْرُجَ فَذَكَرْتُ لَهُ
وَقَالَ مُعَاذٌ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ عَنْ خُبَيْبِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ سَمِعَ حَفْصًا سَمِعَ أَبَا سَعِيدٍ رَجُلًا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِهَذَا وَقَالَ هِيَ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي |
The verse Muhammd invoked is Quran 8:24:
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O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُم لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ يَحُولُ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَقَلْبِهِ وَأَنَّهُ إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ |
So according to the above hadiths, Muhammad tells Muslims that even if they are performing salat to Allah, they must respond to him (Muhammad) if he calls them.
This puts to rest the claim by Muslims that Muhammad was simply a messenger and that Allah is the greatest. Islam was all about obeying Muhammad.
I would like to place these hadiths in Wiki Islam. Does anyone know which category I should place them in?
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And did the prophet say in the same quoted hadith, "You should have stopped your prayers straightaway and should have come to me immediately, because I was calling you?"
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| BMZ wrote: |
And did the prophet say in the same quoted hadith, "You should have stopped your prayers straightaway and should have come to me immediately, because I was calling you?"
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That Asshole "DicMo" says "What prevented you from coming to me? |
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| We don't need Kuffar interpretations of our Hadeeths thank you very much. You do a very piss poor job in understanding them. |
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| We don't need Kuffar interpretations of our Hadeeths thank you very much. You do a very piss poor job in understanding them. |
You are doing a damn piss poor job of refuting us kuffars then don't you think?
WTF has happened to you in the time you have been gone, all i have seen from you since your so called break away and in your new "I'm not really back" attitude is swearing, with absolutely no substance to back up your swearing.
Seriously, I saw XXX had replied and expected something better than that piss poor comment up above, bravo for going backwards.  |
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| sahara wrote: |
| XXX wrote: |
| We don't need Kuffar interpretations of our Hadeeths thank you very much. You do a very piss poor job in understanding them. |
You are doing a damn piss poor job of refuting us kuffars then don't you think?
WTF has happened to you in the time you have been gone, all i have seen from you since your so called break away and in your new "I'm not really back" attitude is swearing, with absolutely no substance to back up your swearing.
Seriously, I saw XXX had replied and expected something better than that piss poor comment up above, bravo for going backwards. |
yeah, i think you're right.......  |
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