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DavidE
Joined: 01 May 2004
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 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: K.K.'s Story |
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| Congratulations on leaving Islam! I am sure that Ali must be happy that his site is having some effect. |
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assyrian_king_86
Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Yep it is good he left Islam 
K.K. is a good friend of mine. I was the one who showed this website to him. He had no idea what Islam is all about. Even his mum and dad have left Islam. 
Unfortunately, K.K. has no computer at home, so the only way to reply to this thread is by coming over my house and using my computer or going to an internet cafe. He even wrote his testimony using my computer. Things would be easier if he had his own computer at home 
He should come over my house in a few days, so then he can start posting a bit here
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ali must be happy that his site is having some effect. |
Yes happy indeed. I hope more people start sharing their stories.
Thank you Assyrian king. There are hundreds of millions of people like KK and his family who are good people and are not Muslims but they do not know it. We have to reach to these people and tell them the truth about Islam.
We do not want to destroy Islam. Islam must remain as the religion of the terrorists and criminals. This would make it easy to know who is a criminal and a terrorist just by looking at him. We want to deplete the good people.
If each person reach out to two people and help them out of Islam and each one of those two reach out to two more and so on, in less than one generation, i.e. in less than thirty years or so Islam will collapse. This is doable and is already happening. As time goes on, the movement gains momentum.
I only ask everyone to put aside their nonsensical religious biases and join hands and work together to eliminate Islam. We will succeed ONLY if all mankind come together and work in unison. If we start fighting amongst each other and continue with our own little squeamish, we only make it easy for the Muslims to defeat us all.
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Patrick
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Even if only one person turned away from Islam due to FFI, even then this whole project is more than worthwhile. Congratulations!
Even if Islam is growing, then the number of apostates will equally increase too. Since they experienced Islam from the inside rather than being an outsider (like me), they have the opportunity to let the giant implode iso explode. Implosion is what happened with communism, explosion is what happened with Nazism. I prefer the first option, but I'm afraid we need a combination of both.
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aaiid
Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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kk,
Congrats for your escape from the death cult of Islam. Here is a site where you can dialogue with ex-muslims who became Christians. You are correct there is a God and He is Loving. Jesus taught us just how loving He is. Praise God.
http://www.answering-islam.org/
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Angelika
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Location: AMSTERDAM
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Hi KK,
hope you can find some support on this forum. How are you doing??
Welcome,
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assyrian_king_86
Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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K_K is here at my house. I am going to let him use my computer to reply to this message using my computer (If you are a forum administrator you will see that we have the same IP address because we are using the same computer).
The next reply after this is from K_K. |
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K_K
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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Hello people,
Sorry if I took long to reply to this post. I have no computers at home so I am using Asyrian_king_86's computer to reply.
I have found this website more and more interesting. I never knew that Islam acually APPROVED of September 11. All this time I always thought that Osama was a false Muslim. 
It seems to me that Muhammad was indeed a False Prophet because a TRUE Prophet would NEVER have intercourse with a 9 year old girl. I was shocked when I read this.
I have chosen to becoame a Christian, which I think is OK, but some of my relatives have been angry at me for this. Ali Sina said what we *believe* in does not matter, but our *actions* do. I agree with him whole-heartedly.
According to Islam, I deserve to die for leaving Islam, don't I? Can anybody give me verses from the Qu'ran saying this?
Thank you's all for your support. |
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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welcome KK.
Here is a link to a translation of Maududi on punishment of apostasy in Islam.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Hahn/Mawdudi/
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A. The Proof from the Qur'an for the Commandment to Execute the Apostate
Here I wish briefly to offer proof that will quiet the doubt in the hearts of those who, for lack of sources of information, may think that perhaps the punishment of death did not exist in Islam but was added at a later time by the "mawlawis" (religious leaders) on their own.
God Most High declares in the Qur'an:
But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief -- Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist. (9:11,12)[1]
The following is the occasion for the revelation of this verse: During the pilgrimage (hajj) in A.H. 9 God Most High ordered a proclamation of an immunity. By virtue of this proclamation all those who, up to that time, were fighting against God and His Apostle and were attempting to obstruct the way of God's religion through all kinds of excesses and false covenants, were granted from that time a maximum respite of four months. During this period they were to ponder their own situation. If they wanted to accept Islam, they could accept it and they would be forgiven. If they wanted to leave the country, they could leave. Within this fixed period nothing would hinder them from leaving. Thereafter those remaining, who would neither accept Islam nor leave the country, would be dealt with by the sword. In this connection it was said: "If they repent and uphold the practice of prayer and almsgiving, then they are your brothers in religion. If after this, however, they break their covenant, then war should be waged against the leaders of kufr (infidelity). Here "covenant breaking" in no way can be construed to mean "breaking of political covenants". Rather, the context clearly determines its meaning to be "confessing Islam and then renouncing it". Thereafter the meaning of "fight the heads of disbelief" (9:11,12) can only mean that war should be waged against the leaders instigating apostasy.[2]
B. Proof from the Hadith (Canonical Tradition) for the Commandment to Execute the Apostate
After the Qur'an we turn to the Hadith. This is the command of the Prophet:
1. Any person (i.e., Muslim) who has changed his religion, kill him.[3]
This tradition has been narrated by Abu Bakr, Uthman, Ali, Muadh ibn Jabal, Abu Musa Ashari, Abdullah ibn Abbas, Khalid ibn Walid and a number of other Companions, and is found in all the authentic Hadith collections. |
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YUSUFALI: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
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YUSUFALI: But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained. |
I think Mawdudi is correct the in 9:012 " if they violate their oaths after their covenant" can only mean what he explains. Covenant has to be submission to Islam and violation of this oath is apostasy.
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Alkaliel
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Welcome K_K
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| I have found this website more and more interesting. I never knew that Islam acually APPROVED of September 11. All this time I always thought that Osama was a false Muslim. |
yes many Muslim apologists say that Osama is a false Muslim but we all know that he is a true Muslim. I hope that if you keep on looking through this site, you will find many other interesting things that will broaden your horizons.
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| It seems to me that Muhammad was indeed a False Prophet because a TRUE Prophet would NEVER have intercourse with a 9 year old girl. I was shocked when I read this. |
When I found out that Mo was a pedophile, I was really shocked and disgusted. If Mo had been a prophet of God, he should have been different from people around him. Mo was a common criminal just like many Arabs (but of course not all, and I'm certain that many Arabs were much more moral than Mo). Allah should have found a person more suited from such an important role.
But Allah actually is no better than Mo. Sometimes I think about nature with its infinite variety of species. If God created this beauty, then he must have been all-knowing and all-powerful. I think that God exists but in my opinion he is above all things and above all human feelings. He is a higher being. But Allah is just like people: he divides people into Muslims and non-Muslims, he wants Muslims to kill other people - he is not flawless. Such things should not matter for a higher being who created Universe. He is like the Buddha - absolutely wise, all-loving and disconnected from all "animal" feelings (like anger, jealousy or hatred).
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Vioxxx
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
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Location: Malaysia
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Welcome K.k.,
First, get a computer. 
I am glad to hear of your story. It really gladden my heart to see a sould in bondage liberated from the tyranny of Islam. Islam is to submit to Allah your whole being like a slave. To allah, you are just another creation to serve him like a slave without any reciprocated feeling. Allah is so distant and cold. >:(
Next get a bible. I encourage you to read the bible from genesis to revelation. Islam never encourage you to real the koran for yourself you know. Islam hates people who ask too much question as this is regarded as sin.
Christianity is a message of hope and love. God the Father longs to receive you into his arm as a father would a son. A long lost son. Heaven rejoice to learn of your decision to turn from darkness into the light. Attend the nearest church that you are comfortable with. Accept Jesus into your heart as your personal saviour and have fellowship with fellow believers. Keep up the good fight in your faith not to do jihad as commanded by islam.
Lastly, welcome to a new least of life in Christ. You will find a life that is fulfilling and rewarding. |
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Phedippedes
Joined: 20 Mar 2004
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Hello people,
Sorry if I took long to reply to this post. I have no computers at home so I am using Asyrian_king_86's computer to reply.
I have found this website more and more interesting. I never knew that Islam acually APPROVED of September 11. All this time I always thought that Osama was a false Muslim.
It seems to me that Muhammad was indeed a False Prophet because a TRUE Prophet would NEVER have intercourse with a 9 year old girl. I was shocked when I read this.
I have chosen to becoame a Christian, which I think is OK, but some of my relatives have been angry at me for this. Ali Sina said what we *believe* in does not matter, but our *actions* do. I agree with him whole-heartedly.
According to Islam, I deserve to die for leaving Islam, don't I? Can anybody give me verses from the Qu'ran saying this?
Thank you's all for your support. |
Hi KK, welcome to our forum. Welcome on behalf of all the Jews, Christians, Atheists, Hindu's, Agnosts, Liberals, Conseratives, Deists, Buddhists and all other I've left out.
I see you have chosen to become a Christian....a good choice, especially since it is motivated by your wish of worshipping that which is good.
Welcome into the light, welcome back into humanity! |
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skonk4
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| [quote="K_K"]According to Islam, I deserve to die for leaving Islam, don't I? Can anybody give me verses from the Qu'ran saying this? |
Honestly KK, it seems to me that you have never read the Quran yet. It is so obvious from the first and second surahs. Can you tell us how an intelligent person like you call yourself a muslim (before) but never came across these verses ? Is it because you never read the QUran ?
Does this show that there are hundreds of millions of people like you ? This will be interesting to tell other recent muslim converts. Just ask them : have you read the Quran yet ? |
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Atisimha
Joined: 12 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject: New Info |
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Actualy, I have some opinion. Please visit this site http://www.kentaxrecords.com/iaca/ . As you can see on that site, there are no differences between Islam and Christianity. And I believe you will start to say "They aren't Christian". But hey, please wake up and face the other truth. They are Pope, Priest, Pastor, Nun, Religius Leader, etc. They are the real Christian. I think you should start to ask "Where did my donation go ?". I don't think they will say "Uhmm .. we used it to convert the Heathens". I believe Christianity is another obstacle to a Faith Freedom. Are you with me Mr.Sina ?
A Hindu's Guide to Evangelical Christianity http://www.swaveda.com/Articles/dnanar.htm
A Buddhist's Guide to Evangelical Christianity http://www.kentaxrecords.com/iaca/php/item_display.php?id=1074057232&type=articles
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: New Info |
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| And I believe you will start to say "They aren't Christian". |
No, I think most people wouldn't even care.
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| I believe Christianity is another obstacle to a Faith Freedom. Are you with me Mr.Sina ? |
You should have read a few of Ali Sina's articles to see what his stance really is before telling him that.
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