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David Ben-Ariel



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: "Just following orders" like a good Nazi in Israel Reply with quote

THE BATTLE FOR AND AGAINST DISENGAGEMENT

LETTER FROM RUTH MATAR (WOMEN IN GREEN) JERUSALEM
Thursday, December 2, 2004


Dear Friends,

The battle for and against disengagement is heating up amongst the Israeli public. Unfortunately, those who are for disengagement are in possession of very powerful means, i.e. they control the major newspapers, all radio outlets (since Prime Minister Sharon managed to get the only national radio station, Arutz 7, off the air), and all the television news channels. In addition, politicians who are in favor of disengagement are continually quoted in the media, whereas those who are against disengagement seldom get any publicity whatsoever.

Those members of the Israeli public who are against disengagement definitely are a growing majority. However, they do not have the opportunity to express their opinions, because the Leftist controlled media uses all possible means to prevent them from doing so.

An attempt to focus the discussion on this important issue was made by Dr. David Matar, by publicizing a letter which he had written to his commanding officer on November 16, 2004.

To quote from Dr. Matar’s letter, he states that he has been a Reserve Medical Officer in the Jerusalem Recruitment Office for fifteen years, on one day duty, which usually exceeds thirty days a year.

Dr. Matar describes Sharon’s ‘Disengagement’ Plan as follows: “The term ’Disengagement’ is a euphemism for the forcible expulsion of more than 8,000 Jews from their homes and lifework in the Gaza district and the Northern Shomron, and the uprooting and destruction of tens of flourishing communities, including every last synagogue and cemetery.

“The Prime Minister has charged the army with the overall responsibility for the execution of his plan, even though the actual act of expulsion is supposed to be carried out by the Border Patrol and Police. The media is full of reports on serious preparations by the army to carry out Sharon's program, including detailed planning, intelligence gathering, training of picked army units on "dummy settlements", and the construction of detention camps for citizens who dare to resist, all with the openly declared intention to use any and all means to suppress any resistance of the Jewish residents to expulsion from their homes and destruction of their life's work.

“All this means that the army hierarchy has received and accepted orders to declare war on a large group of innocent and loyal citizens, to define them operationally as a hostile target, and to break into their homes by force, in order to drag out men, women and children. These are preparations for battle, by any definition, featuring planned violence by our security forces against Jewish citizens, which will degenerate very quickly into tragedies reminiscent of the Altalena episode. These self-inflicted losses do not include the heavy casualties in our midst from Arab fire during, and especially after, the period that the plan is carried out.

“This insane order is patently illegal, and therefore every soldier, Jew or non­Jew, should adamantly refuse to obey. The IDF was founded to defend the people and land of Israel by fighting Arab enemies ­ not by attacking Jewish brothers. In addition, as a religious Jew who tries to observe the Torah's commandments, I view any order that conflicts with the commandment of building the Land of Israel as equivalent to a command that attempts to impose the desecration of the Sabbath or the eating of swine. Such orders cross a red line, since they force the soldier to choose between his commitment to the most fundamental ideological principles, as opposed to his loyalty to the institutions of army and state.

“Even though I, personally, as a doctor in the Jerusalem Recruitment office, do not expect to receive orders to uproot our brothers from Gush Katif and the Northern Shomron, I am not even now able, emotionally and ethically, to serve in a hostile army that has declared war on me, on my family, on my friends and neighbors, and a large part of our people. This remains true even if a thousand "disengagement" laws are passed by all 120 Knesset members, with the combined sanction of a popular referendum, Israel's Supreme Court, the U.N., and the U.S. State Department.

“Therefore, I am hereby returning my army reserve card. I am, of course, ready to bear the consequences of this act ­ including a court-martial.”


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Dr. Matar’s letter initially created a great deal of media interest. The major newspapers asked for interviews, one of them even sent a photographer to his pediatric clinic. Two of the three news channels arranged for interviews on prime time television. What was the result? Nada. Nothing!

The appearance on television programs was cancelled without any explanation. The newspapers never used the photograph they had taken of Dr. Matar, while interrupting a busy day examining sick children. The story quickly died an unnatural death. The only publicity we received was by reproducing Dr. Matar’s letter to his Commanding Officer as a paid ad in the Jerusalem Post.

Unintended help came from an op-ed article by Joshua Berman in Yesterday’s Jerusalem Post (December 1, 2004) He writes that the army is not responsible for the Disengagement Plan, AS IT IS MERELY THE EXECUTIVE ARM OF THE POLITICAL ECHELON. [Emphasis is mine - R.M.]

But what if the political echelon gives an order which is patently immoral and illegal? Is David Matar and other reserve officers forced to go along with such an order? Have we learned nothing from the Nuremberg Trials, which were held after World War II from November 20, 1945 to October 1, 1946?

The defense of most of those German Nazis accused of “crimes against humanity” was “that they were only following orders!”

Is it not a horrendous crime to expel 8,000 Jews from their homes in their own Homeland - men, women and children, to be forcibly dragged out of their homes, and imprisoned even if they just passively or verbally resist such expulsion? Would it not be wrong for Jews to follow such an illegal and immoral order?

What is about to happen in Israel - G-d forbid - is even worse than what happened in Germany during World War II. This time, the Sharon government is planning to order Jews to forcibly expel their Jewish Brethren from their homes.

Permit me to tell you about events in my childhood, which I try to forget - Kristallnacht in Wr. Neustadt, Austria. I was eight years old when Hitler annexed Austria on March 13, 1938. On the night of November 9, 1938, Kristallnacht, the SS storm troopers broke down the doors to our home, and forcibly dragged my parents, my older brother and sister and myself, out of our house, barely allowing us to put on warm clothing even though it was bitterly cold outside. They herded us into police cars and brought us to the synagogue where all the town’s Jews were subsequently brought. The next day the only food we were offered was a stew which contained pork. This was the German sense of humor. They well knew that it is forbidden for Jews to eat pork.

I will never forget what happened after the Germans had laughingly removed the pork stew. A young man in SS uniform, came up to me and surreptitiously handed me a candy bar. He told me he was a former employee of my father, but had been unemployed since my father’s business was confiscated. “That is”, he said, “why I had to join the SS [SchutzStaffel, the ‘security’ service of Adolf Hitler]. I don’t like what they’re doing to you Jews, but I have to follow orders, or they will punish me severely, probably even kill me.”

History does repeat itself. Only now Jews are ordered by Israel’s dictator Ariel Sharon to break into the homes of fellow Jews and forcibly drag them out. And all this to reward Arab terror? Have we become a nation of madmen?

Dear American Jews and Christians, Dear President Bush, Dear Members of Congress, do not become partner to this crime against humanity. You may have been influenced by the media that the majority of the People of Israel are in favor of “disengagement” from their Homeland. This is a deliberate falsehood. The majority of the Jewish People do not want to commit suicide. It is not in Israel’s interest, nor in the interest of the United States to have an additional terror state in the Middle East - carved out of the Holy Land.

Dear Friends, it is important that you forward this Letter from Jerusalem to President Bush and all your government representatives, your acquaintances, your friends or anybody else you might be able to influence. Please add to this email your own feelings on this very important issue.

With Blessings and Love for Israel,

Ruth Matar


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Once again the only solution is to terminate Islam Reply with quote

My heart goes out to those who are caught in the crossfire in this politically correct age.

Disengagement will not bring peace while Islam exists. The terms cannot been met to ensure that peace will follow any disengagement.

Here are the basic terms for disengagement:
1) The palestinian people must first establish an elected democracy with a balanced representation of the Palestinian people
1a) Islam must not be allowed to have a majority
representation in this government
1b) Palestinians that have not participated in any known
Terrorist groups must be included in the Paletinian
Government
2) Sharia Law must be outlawed in Palestine
3) Terrorism must stop and all murderers must be outlawed from the region
4) Funding of terrorism from Islamic countries must be stopped

The above conditions will not be met as long as Islam uses the Palestinian people as a means to destroy Israel. Until the Palestinian people come to realize that they are nothing but pawns in the hands of Islam..an Islam that does not value Palestinian lives.. peace is not possible.

Israel must not give an inch to the Islamic agenda that seeks the annialation of the Jewish nation.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:29 pm    Post subject: Ishmael must go! Not the Jews Reply with quote

The Nazi-Muslims will never be satisfied until all of Israel is occupied by thems and the Jews are history! Facing this reality, Israel must hear and heed what Former Israeli Parliament member and rabbi courageously taught: "THEY MUST GO!" Let the fictitious "Palestinians" create their kingdom in the Saharan desert or anywhere far, far away from the Jewish inheritance, the Promised Land of Israel.

Remove Arabs for peace. This is the only peace process that will work and enforce such PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Clarify what an Arab is Reply with quote

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Remove Arabs for peace.


Who is an Arab? The Arab conquest of the Middle east over 1400 years has made this classification near impossible. I have found that most middle easterners call themselves Arabs, even though they are part Epytian, part Moabite, part persian, part Phillistine, part hittite etc. etc.

It would be better stated as follows: Remove Islam from the area of Palestine for Peace to have a chance.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very happy Israel National News has published my comments under their article at:

8. Destroy them or they'll destroy you!
David Ben-Ariel, Toledo, Ohio, USA/Menashe (18:26, Dec-06, 04)
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=73063

How biblical for the bloody PLO to have hardened hearts. How many times will the Great God of Israel offer such a reprieve when His People (who are increasingly cutting themselves off from Him and His Land) continue to foolishly seek to enter treacherous talks of surrendering more of their Haven of Holiness, the Jewish Homeland? If Israel fails to come to their senses and stop such madness, those whom they must destroy or at least expel, will destroy and expel them with German-Jesuit EU help and assistance.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: You focus too much on the German lineage Reply with quote

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David, you might want to consider that a head is called a king and refers to an empire. All prophecy centers around Israel for that is the time-line of God. People say that in the 5th century the Roman empire fell, but that is not true. Prior to the sack of Rome, Constantine moved the empiral seat to Constantinople. In 1453 the Ottoman empire destroyed the last seat of the Roman Empire and took control of the Holy land. Now this Ottoman empire was the 7th empire that controlled the holy land while at same time destroyed the throne of the empire that came before it.

In the scriptures the beast comes up out of the sea with seven heads (seventh head is wounded by the sword): in world war I King Faisel's Arab Muslims, with the help of Lawrence of Arabia, took Damascus with the sword. The Turks were defeated by the sword and Ata-Turk (the last Caliph) quickly dissolved the Caliphate and formed a secular government in order to save his empire. Thus the 7th empire (head) was not destroyed only wounded by the sword. There is a strong move to re-instate the Caliphate and at the same time Turkey is trying to join the EU.
Germany will not be the ring leader as you think. All of Europe will give their support to the beast with seven heads since one of the heads had a fatal wound that was healed and the whole world will marvel at the beast and will follow the beast in awe.
The two legs of Daniels prophecy not only can be said to represent the Roman Empire split in Rome and Constantinople, but are in the end time a unified revived roman empire and Islam (the seventh head). Take a close look at the 2nd beast which comes up out of the land and has two horns it looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon, which requires the world to worship the beast. This 2nd beast is Islam under a Caliph who unifies Sharia and Sunni sects (thus the two horns).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslim “Moderates”
By Prof. Paul Eidelberg


Daniel Pipes, a board member of the U.S. Institute of Peace, is one of four members of the Presidium of the Jerusalem Summit, ostensibly a conservative or right-wing organization that includes distinguished Israeli academics. Surprisingly, various Muslim “moderates” were invited to and spoke at the Summit’s second annual 3-day conference in Jerusalem. The Summit not only focused on the subject of “moderate” Islam, but also called for action to help Muslim “moderates” magnify their influence in the Islamic world. This has been a mission of Daniel Pipes, a renowned expert on Islam.

Consistent with that mission, Dr. Pipes distinguishes “militant Islam” or “Islamism” from Islam per se. However, as I show in A Jewish Philosophy of History,” Islam has always been militant. Indeed, the fact that 9/11 was gleefully celebrated throughout Islamdom makes the distinction between “moderates” and “extremists” problematic.

Not that there are no Muslims who sincerely deplore Islamic extremists. Pipes has brought the names of some to the public’s attention—surely those who spoke at the Jerusalem Summit. He succumbs to obscurantism, however, when he admits that “militant Islam, with its Westphobia and goal of world hegemony, dominates Islam in the West [my emphasis] and appears to many to be the only kind of Islam” (Jerusalem Post, September 24, 2003). Why only “in the West”? Doesn’t “militant Islam” dominate the East—the heart of the Islamic world and its one billion and more inhabitants?

But now I ask: “Why this attention to Muslim ‘moderates’—a politically insignificant number—when the United States and Israel are at war with Muslims?” Imagine focusing public attention on German “moderates” in the midst of World War II. Wouldn’t this be disarming? That the Jerusalem Summit, reputedly a conservative organization, should focus on Muslim “moderates” while Muslims are slaughtering Jews in Israel and Americans in Iraq is bizarre.

The more so since Pipes has himself indicated that many “moderate” Muslims may be or become quiescent “extremists”! In Militant Islam Reaches America, he quotes the following spokesmen: (1) Algerian secularist Said Sadi: “A moderate Islamist is someone who does not have the means of acting ruthlessly to seize power immediately.” (2) Osmane Bencherif, former Algerian ambassador to Washington: “It is misguided policy to distinguish between moderate and extreme Islamists. The goal of all is the same: to construct a pure Islamic state, which is bound to be a theocracy and totalitarian.” (3) Mohammad Mohaddessin, director of international relations for the People’s Mojahadin in Iran, a leading opposition force: “Moderate fundamentalists do not exist…. It’s like talking about a moderate Nazi.”

Here are Muslims or former Muslims who, contrary to Dr. Pipes, suggest that what he calls “militant Islam” or “Islamism” is authentic Islam! As Henri Boulad, an Egyptian Jesuit, and a specialist in Islam, states in an article, “L’Islamisme, c’est l’Islam” (“Islamism is Islam”):This statement is perfectly consistent with history and geography, with the Quran and the sunna, with the life of Muhammad and the evolution of Islam, with what Islam says about itself. I reject the position of people—Muslims or Christians—who bury their heads in the sand like ostriches … refuse to see the situation objectively, or take their wishes for realities, on behalf of dialogue and tolerance.

Dr. Boulad evidently sees a clash of civilizations between Islam and the West, a clash clearly articulated by Bernard Lewis and Samuel Huntington and exhaustively documented by the gallant Bat Ye’or in Islam and Dhimmitude. Although Pipes denies this clash—he even contends that Islam is compatible with democracy—he has assembled a wealth of information confirming what he denies!

However, to minimize the appearance of this clash of civilizations, he states in the preface to the 2002 reprinting of his 1983 book In the Path of God: Islam and Political Power, that “militant Islam [is] best understood not as a religion but as a political ideology.” To the contrary, Islam has always been a political ideology.

As the very subtitle of Pipes’ book—Islam and Political Power—suggests, and as its content makes obvious, “However much institutions, attitudes, and customs have changed, the Muslim approach to politics derives from the invariant premises of the religion and from fundamental themes established more than a millennium ago” (my emphasis).

Surely the most conspicuous theme of that religion, manifested throughout Islamic history, is none other than jihad—as Pipes demonstrates in a November 2002 article critical of American professors who deny this doctrinal and existential fact. To contend that Islam and the West are not involved in a clash of civilizations when the former is steeped in absolutism, while the latter is mired in relativism, may be “politically correct,” but dangerously so and symptomatic of declining confidence in the justice of one’s own cause. Relativism comes in degrees.

Consistent with Pipes’ politically correct view of Islam—and I applaud his courageous exposure of “militant Islam”—the Jerusalem Summit has established a “Council of Civilizations” as if no clash of civilizations exists. This suggests that there is no irreconcilable conflict between the Jewish State of Israel and Islam. Needless to say, this is not the way Muslims see Israel. They see things in terms of black and white. The second annual conference of the Jerusalem Summit does not seem to see things in terms of black and white. But this suggests that the Summit, contrary to its literature—and contrary to virtually all its many prestigious members—is based on crypto-moral relativism! Perhaps this is why it maintains that all religions lead “equally to God.”

Given the Summit’s eminent and influential membership, such an organization, in the capital of Israel, needs to be carefully monitored—the more so in view of the fact that it equates civilizations not with ideas, values, and customs, but with defined geographic areas! Obscured in the process is not only the global magnitude of Islam, but also the idea of Hebraic civilization to which the best minds in Israel aspire!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:48 am    Post subject: EU evil eye on Jerusalem! Reply with quote

shiloh wrote:
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David, you might want to consider that a head is called a king and refers to an empire. All prophecy centers around Israel for that is the time-line of God.


Shiloh, I agree king and kingdom are interchangeable. The final revival of the unholy Roman Empire of the GERMAN Nation will soon morph from the current EU and unleash devastation upon Israel when they send their "peacekeeping" Euroforces of evil to occupy Israel, invited in by such traitors as that vulture, Shimon Peres.

The EU will work through their Arab proxies against Israel, until they butt heads with the Islamo-fascists and utterly defeat them, and turn their evil eyes upon Jerusalem and covet the Temple Mount for their bizarre purposes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: The end is clear enough Reply with quote

Though the perfect interpretation will elude us until the beast is in full view, we are in basic agreement as to the association and key alignments that must take place.

For the humanists out there this seems like a fairy tale, yet what solution does humanism have against the clear and present danger of Islam spreading across Europe and the serious implications to Israel's security.

I take a lot of comfort in Ezekiel where he fortells the destruction of an Islamic force that comes against Israel before the beast emerges onto the scene. 2/3 of this Islamic army, composed of more than a few of the present day Islamic states, is destroyed by a mighty earthquake and large hail stones without any intervention from man. Humanists will see this as a circumstancial natural disaster only and they will continue in their blindness.
What a shame!
Islam on the other hand will have no recourse but to turn to the EU via Turkey and the stage will be set for the final showdown of rebellious mankind.

This is how I see Ezekiel's prophecies unfolding before the great to be forgotten that will culminate in the battle of Armeggedon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: The end is clear enough Reply with quote

shiloh wrote:
Though the perfect interpretation will elude us until the beast is in full view, we are in basic agreement as to the association and key alignments that must take place.


Yes, when things begin to happen, Scriptures will come to mind that are being fulfilled, or look like things are lining up to fulfill what God has foretold, a sneak preview, impossible for mere mortals to so accurately announce!

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