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sword
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sword
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a different opinion from Dr. Sommers of the Psychological Laboratory Leuven/NL (I guess...):
The mysterious illness of the Prophet Muhammad identified
Theophanes, a monk (752-817), wrote in his Chronography that Muhammad suffered from epilepsy. From that time most historians repeated this opinion. When in the late 19th century better notions of psychopathology became common, this diagnosis was challenged. Some thought his disease was hysteria or hystero-epilepsy, although for most scientists epilepsy was excluded. There was no definitive answer to this question. A better scientific examination of the sources has made clear that all symptoms of acromegaly are present with some psychopathological paranoid traits. Acromegaly is caused by a small tumour of the hypophysis, beginning most of the time about the fortieth year and ending in the sixtieth year with an apoplexy of the hypophysis.
According to the hadith Muhammad suffered from a long-lasting disease, which he treated by means of bleeding. He walked as somebody who comes down from a hill. His skin-colour was peculiar, not white, not too tanned, somewhat rosy. His eyebrows were conspicuous. He was sweating heavily, especially when he was receiving revelations. He heard the noise of bells and voices. He had a great appetite and suffered from hunger. Notwithstanding his sexual relations with ten young women, he remained quasi-sterile: one only child after the age of forty years. During his last illness he suffered from intense headaches, losses of consciousness, back- and intestinal pains. He died at the age of 62 years. Psychologically he was known as trustworthy, somewhat retiring and prude. Initially, about at the age of forty years, he was depressed, retiring, and showed a tendency to suicide. He spoke slowly. Most typical were his great hands, dough feeling palms, great feet, a long fleshy nose, well developed ears and a peculiar voice.
These indications suggest that he suffered from acromegaly. This hypothesis allows to explain almost all details found in the hadith.
Acromegaly is caused by an adenoma of the pituitary, which causes an increase in growth hormone (somatotropine) and usually a deficiency or increase of other hormones such as gonadotropine. The disease begins in adult persons about the fourth decade of age. Most patients die about the age of 60 years. It is a long-lasting disease with slow progress, sometimes burning out. Most patients tolerate it reasonably well. The melanophore hormones secreted by the pituitary cause a peculiar straw-yellow skin-colour. Excessive sweating is sometimes caused by hyperthyroidism. Sweating can be oily and have an unpleasant odour. Patients suffer from high blood pressure. Some hirsutism is observed (eyebrows). The growth of all extremities after adult age causes also the vertebrae to extend and the spine to curve. This extension can cause pain as the nerves suffer pressure. Especially typical is the enlargement of the fingers and the dough like feeling of the palms when shaking hands. Rarely a bleeding of the pituitary occurs and causes dead: this apoplexy of the pituitary causes headaches, nausea, vomiting, losses of consciousness. Psychologically patients suffer initially from depression, brooding and irritability, also an increase of appetite and a loss of libido. Some patients are anxious and are lacking in self-confidence. When the adenoma exerts pressure on the third ventricle and the optic chiasma in the brain the patients may suffer from hallucinoses. Uniformly these patients are trustworthy. Their personality is characterised by conscientiousness, reliability and industriousness.
Confronting this picture of the symptomatology of acromegaly with the tradition about Muhammad one can only state the conformity. Moreover one understands some other traits of the personality of Muhammad. He washed himself often, till two or tree times successively. He indulged in men's scents, such as musk and ambergris; he used to burn camphor on odoriferous wood. This is understandable. He smelled the unpleasant odour of his sweat, and did not want it to be perceived by others. The use of bleeding, as a treatment can be understood as a remedy against his high blood pressure. His polygamy and the incessant acquisition of new young women can be explained by his wish for a masculine child. His young sons were all dead. He adopted two sons. But a son of his own was for him an absolute must. As the pituitary influences fertility his acromegaly reduced considerably the spermatogenesis. Ten wives could only give birth to one only masculine child, which died early. Changing wives he tried desperately to engender that masculine child. He was not a sex-maniac. His death was probably caused by a pituitary apoplexy. Psychologically he was considered as a trustworthy person. Initially depressed and devoid of self-confidence, he considered suicide. He suffered from hallucinoses and even hallucinations.
The complete report was published in Dutch.
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Richard_The _Lionheart

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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Mo’ was sick in many way.
And he also smelled really bad.
No wonder Muslims are mad, observing repetitive rituals – they are following the actions of someone suffering a mental illness. |
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Ali Sina
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Here is a different opinion from Dr. Sommers of the Psychological Laboratory Leuven/NL (I guess...): |
No that is not different. As I said Muhammad suffered from a series of illnessess. Acromegaly was one of them. I have written about that and will post it in a while. _________________ Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.
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maha_swami

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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| they are following the actions of someone suffering a mental illness. |
I believe that was the only desease he had
"mentally sick"
that is why every moslem has the same characteristix mentally sick _________________ kill kill kill kill (keeeel da infeeedels)
the 1st verse of koran |
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farside

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Should I expand my top ten prophetical traits of Muhammad to 12 ?
Number 11 - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy
Number 12 – Acromegaly
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TheOtherWhiteMeat

Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1741 Location: Dar Al-Harb
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I'm glad this was finally addressed months after I first came to this forum and inquired about it. Other than that Greek Oracle there has not been a more vividly recorded physical description of prophesy and yet its totally ignored in modern scholarship. If these are descriptions of a historical character, and this character is Mohammed, then he very obviously suffered a mental illness. I disgree with the article that its 'unbelievable' that people would follow such a man. There are many historical 'witches' and 'prophets' and 'leaders' who either abused substances or suffered from mental illness in order to give them courage or inspiration. From the Oracle to St Paul and even modern authors and artists. Read Sartre's preface of Genet's Our Lady of Flowers. Its a fine line between artist and autist. _________________ A voice from heaven should be ignored if it is not on the side of justice. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer
It wasn't you who killed them, it was Allah. ~ 8:17 |
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armour_piercing_bullets
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very good,pls keep up the good work.
like muhamed,abraham,moses,jesus,etc...all so
called prophets also suffered from mental disease.
so,they all had false visions and influenced people.
now is the time to expose these liars,cheats and pathetic
terrorists and ensure that judeo christianity islam is destroyed
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Vlad Tepes Dracula

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 280 Location: Sighisoara, Transylvanian
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John Sharon has temporal lobe epilepsy.
JOHN SHARON: The seizures involve my person and my soul and my spirit, all of it. When I get one of those feelings my whole body just tingles and I just, oh...that's that.
NARRATOR: John's epileptic seizures are essentially an electrical storm in his temporal lobes when a group of neurons starts firing at random, out of sync with rest of his brain.
Recently John experienced one of his worst episodes to date. He'd gone out to the desert with a girlfriend, and they'd both got very drunk, with disastrous results. John was suddenly hit by a volley of seizures, each one lasted about five minutes and involved violent convulsions that left him unconscious. Eventually, John managed to get a call through to his father who drove out to the desert to bring him home.
JOHN SHARON: On the way home, him and I got just into some philosophical questions about everything. And I just would not shut up once I...on the way home I was going and going. It was like I was wired.
JOHN SHARON, SR.: It's basically an earthquake within the body, and like any earthquake there are aftershocks. And like any earthquake that does damage, things have to be rebuilt. Things have to subside. Mainly what I deal with is the aftermath, particularly with this last episode. It was very much like stepping into a Salvador Dali painting. Instantly everything was surreal. And that's, in essence, what his seizures are all about—the aftermath—where it puts his brain, where it puts his memory, where it puts his mind, his thinking ability, everything else.
NARRATOR: When John's seizures came to an end he was exhausted but he felt omnipotent.
JOHN SHARON: I went running down the streets screaming that I was God. And then this guy came out and I just, like, pelvic thrust at him and his wife, and I was like, "You want to f—ing bet, I ain't God?"
JOHN SHARON SR.: And I said, literally, "You asshole, get back in here! What do you think you're doing? You're disturbing the neighbors. They're gonna call the cops. What is this all about?"
JOHN SHARON: I kind of just looked at him, cool and calm, and apologized to him, and like, "No. No one's going to call the police." Like, I didn't say this last part, but I'm thinking to myself, "No one's going to call the police on God!"
NARRATOR: John had never been religious, yet the onset of his seizures brought on overwhelming spiritual feelings.
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: It has been known for a long time that some patients with seizures originating in the temporal lobes have intense religious auras, intense experience of God visiting them. Sometimes it's a personal god, sometimes it's a more diffuse feeling of being one with the cosmos. Everything seems suffused with meaning. The patient will say, "Finally I see what it's really about, Doctor. I really understand God. I understand my place in the universe, in the cosmic scheme." Why does this happen and why does it happen so often in patients with temporal lobe seizures?
NARRATOR: Ramachandran met John shortly after the episode in the desert. He was still feeling the extreme highs and lows that follow his seizures. Ramachandran was about to witness the emotional intensity that John endures.
JOHN SHARON: I have been in so much pain that I'd rather be shot to death, whipped to death...
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Also joy?
JOHN SHARON: Yes. I've been in so much joy that I would rather be left alone, man. Take everything away and just let me sit there and have that much joy. I feel like I can float and stuff sometimes, you know?
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Okay.
JOHN SHARON: It's, like, the best.
JOHN SHARON, SR.: There were times where we would have seven or eight grand mal seizures in a day. He would never come back to this reality during that time. I have looked in his eyes in those times and I have seen...seen a cry for help.
JOHN SHARON: No, I mean, you guys, that's the thing, though. A lot of other people can just walk around and see the beauty of the world. I can...sorry. It's not as beautiful.
JOHN SHARON, SR.: He has a seizure, he'll want to talk philosophy. He'll want to discuss all the things that are floating around in the stew he's got up here that he's trying to reconstruct. Thoughts that he may have had just floating through his mind while he was in a seizure mode may come surfacing.
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: I see. Okay. But also you said he's become more emotional because of the seizures, so that's helpful, too.
JOHN SHARON, SR: Mmm, much more sensitive. But oddly enough, not in regards to himself...
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Okay.
JOHN SHARON, SR.: ...but in regards to atrocities, disasters, things like that...anywhere and everywhere...wrongs done to other people.
JOHN SHARON: Oh my God. And you know what? I am so right in my own head, I know I could go out there and get people to follow me. Not like these whackos with sheets on their heads, not like those idiots...but now it's just the new generation of the prophets. And were all the prophets people who were flopping around on the ground, is that what this whole message was, the gift from the gods, this whole time?
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: That's possible, isn't it? Yes?
JOHN SHARON: I've never been religious, ever. People say, "No, you can't see into the future...unh unh." That's what that gift is, but you've got to pay for it by getting slammed around.
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Now, why do these patients have intense religious experiences when they have these seizures? And why do they become preoccupied with theological and religious matters even in between seizures?
One possibility is that the seizure activity in the temporal lobes somehow creates all kinds of odd, strange emotions in the person's mind...in the person's brain. And this welling up of bizarre emotions may be interpreted by the patient as visits from another world, or as, "God is visiting me." Maybe that's the only way he can make sense of this welter of strange emotions going on in his brain. Another possibility is that this is something to do with the way in which the temporal lobes are wired up to deal with the world emotionally. As we walk around and interact with the world, you need some way of determining what's important, what's emotionally salient and what's relevant to you versus something trivial and unimportant.
How does this come about? We think what's critical is the connection between the sensory areas in the temporal lobes and the amygdala, which is the gateway to the emotional centers in the brain. The strength of these connections is what determines how emotionally salient something is. And therefore, you could speak of a sort of emotional salience landscape, with hills and valleys corresponding to what's important and what's not important. And each of us has a slightly different emotional salience landscape. Now, consider what happens in temporal lobe epilepsy when you have repeated seizures. What might be going on is an indiscriminate strengthening of all these pathways. It's a bit like water flowing down rivulets along the cliff surface. When it rains repeatedly there's an increasing tendency for the water to make furrows along one pathway and this progressive deepening of the furrows artificially raises the emotional significance of some categories of inputs. So instead of just finding lions and tigers and mothers emotionally salient, he finds everything deeply salient. For example, a grain of sand, a piece of driftwood, seaweed, all of this becomes imbued with deep significance. Now, this tendency to ascribe cosmic significance to everything around you might be akin to what we call a mystical experience or a religious experience.
NARRATOR: For Ramachandran, John's story is the basis of one of his most intriguing and controversial theories. Could there be a specialized area of the brain that drives human beings to seek religion?
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: A few years ago, the popular press inaccurately quoted me as having claimed that there is a God center or a "G-spot" in the temporal lobes. Now, this is complete nonsense. There is no specific area in the temporal lobe concerned with God. But it's possible there are parts of the temporal lobes whose activity is somehow conducive to religious belief. Now this seems unlikely, but it might be true. Now, why might we have neural machinery in the temporal lobes for belief in religion? Well belief in religion is widespread. Every tribe, every society has some form of religious worship. And maybe the reason it evolved, if it did evolve, is that it is conducive to the stability of society, and this may be easiest if you believe in some sort of supreme being. And that may be one reason why religious sentiments evolved in the brain.
JOHN SHARON: The only reason I probably would get rid of the seizures and epilepsy, because I've never even seen them, is because of my family, because of him. I would keep them for those visions, because of the way I see the world falling into place and things like that. It's a wild little place to be stuck in there. It also seems like a key and right now I haven't learned how to get to the key without...use the key without those seizures. If I was told that I would never have a chance to have that key again, sorry, I'm going to hold on to that thing.
V.S. RAMACHANDRAN: Just because some patients with temporal lobe seizures have intense religious experiences, this does not in any way invalidate that experience for that patient. In fact, it can very often enrich the patient's life enormously. And it poses a dilemma very often for the physician, because what right do we have to treat the patient with medication or with surgery, thereby, in some instances, depriving him of these valuable experiences? To me the exciting thing is that subjects like God and religion can now be actually addressed by us scientists. We can begin to ask questions about religion and God and begin to approach these questions by listening to these patients—by talking with them and by studying them.
NARRATOR: It is a tragic irony that today's breakthroughs in our understanding of the human brain are made possible by the misfortune of brain injury. For centuries, philosophers have labored to understand God, consciousness and the mysteries of human nature. Now perhaps science will have its chance.
On NOVA's Website, investigate the remarkable complexity of the mind, through other unusual case studies collected by Dr. Ramachandran, on PBS.org or AOL, Keyword PBS.
To order this show or any other NOVA program, for $19.95, plus shipping and handling, call WGBH Boston Video at 1-800-255-9424.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2812mind.html
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jack
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Its interesting how todays science is reaching back into time with explanations.
On one of the T.V. science channels they talked about "Giants".
Giants come about when a tumour cases the pituatary gland to over secrete.
When this happens the person grows no stop intill they die.
Today in the West a doctor can treat the pituatary and while the person might make it to 7' they usually catch it and correct it.
Reach back into the bible and explaind David and Goliath.
Goliath probably had a pituatary tumour which made him very tall.
A Giant.
One of the side effects is poor vision as the tumour presses on the optic nerve.
Goliath probably never saw David comming.
Another side effect for Giants is if they take a shot to the head because of the tumour they are at greater risk for bleeding internally.
If David hit Goliath in the head with a rock poor Goliath probably never saw the rock and fell causing the tumour to bleed out.
Now as much I never really thought the story of David and Goliath as being true according to science there is a good chance that what was described wasn't a bible tale but possibly an actual event.
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waterdragon52
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: Mohammed's temporal lobe epilepsy |
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| The symptoms are also highly suggestive of someone who suffers from manic depression. |
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Ali Sina
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| The symptoms are also highly suggestive of someone who suffers from manic depression. |
Manic depressive or bipolar disorder is very similar to narcissistic personality disorder. It is possible that Muhammad suffered from BD at childhood. But his adult behaviour can all be explained with NPD.
I'm going to publish my findings on this subject in future. _________________ Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.
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Dan-Cannon
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Whatver he had, he seems to have had it from childhood:
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When another two years were ended, some strange event occurred to the boy which greatly alarmed his nurse. It was probably a fit of epilepsy; but Mahometan legends have invested it with with so many marvellous features, that it is difficult to discover the real facts (30).
It is certain that the apprehensions of Halima and her husband were aroused; for Arab superstition was wont to regard the subject of such ailments as under the influence of an evil spirit. They resolved to rid themselves of the charge, and Halima carried the child back to its mother. With some difficulty, Amina obtained from her an account of what had happened, calmed her fears, and entreated her to resume the care of her boy. Halima loved her foster-child, and was not unwillingly persuaded to take him once more to her encampment. There she kept him for about a year longer, and watched him so closely that she would not suffer him to move out of her sight.
But uneasiness was again excited by fresh symptoms of a suspicious nature; and she set out finally to restore the boy to his mother, when he was about five years of age (31). As she readied the outskirts of Mecca, the little Mahomet strayed, and she could not find him. In her perplexity she repaired to Abd al Muttalib, and he sent one of his sons to aid her in the search; the little boy was discovered wandering in Upper Mecca, and restored to his mother (32).
(30) The following is the account of Wackidi, who is more concise than the other biographers on the subject: "When four years of age, he was one morning playing with his (foster) brother and sister among the cattle, close by the encampment. And there came two angels who cut open his body and drew forth from thence the black drop, and cast it from them, and washed his inside with water of snow from a golden platter. Then they weighed him against a thousand of his people, and he out-weighed them all: and the one of them said unto the other-"let him go, for verily if thou wert to weigh him against the whole of his people, he would out-weigh them all." his (foster) brother seeing this, ran screaming to his mother, who with her husband hastened to the spot and found the lad pale and affrighted." Katib al Wackidi, p. 20 ½.
Hishami and other later writers add that her husband concluded that he had "Had a fit," and advised her to take him home to his mother. Arrived at Mecca, she confessed after some hesitation what had occurred. "Ah!" exclaimed Amina, "didst thou fear that a devil had possessed him?" She proceeded to say that such could never be the case with a child whose birth had been preceded and followed by so many prodigies, and recounted them in detail. Then she added, "leave him with me and depart in peace, and heaven direct thee!" From this Sprenger rightly concludes (p.78 ) that according to Hishami the child did not return with Halima; but Wackidi explicitly states the reverse.
This legend is closely connected with Sura xciv. v.1. "have WE not opened thy breast?" - i.e. given thee relief. These words were afterwards construed literally into an actual opening, or splitting up, of his chest; and, coupled with other sayings of Mahomet as to mis being cleansed from the taint of sin, were wrought up into the story given above.
It is possible, also, that Mahomet may have himself given a more developed nucleus for the legend, desiring thereby to enhance the superstitious attachment of his people, and conveniently referring the occasion of the cleansing and its romantic accompaniments to this early fit. But we cannot, with any approach to certainty, determine whether any and if so what part of the legend, owes its paternity to Mahomet directly; or whether it has been entirely fabricated out of the verse of the Coran referred to, and other metaphorical assertions of cleansing, construed literally.
Other traditions hold that his chest was opened, and his heart cleansed, by the angels as above described, in adult life close by the Kaaba. It is enough to have shown what appears to be the origin of these mythical stories.
(31) When Halima took back the child to Mecca after its first attack, sine told Amina that nothing but sheer necessity would make her part with it. Katib al Wackidi, p. 204.
After some persuasion she took him back with her, and kept him close in sight. But she was again startled (as the legend goes) by observing a cloud attendant upon the child, sheltering him from the sun, moving as he moved, and stopping when he stopped. This alarmed her. If there be any truth in the tradition, it probably implies a renewal of symptoms of the former nature.
It appears extremely probable that these legends originated in some species of fact. One can hardly conceive their fabrication out of nothing, even admitting that the 94th Sura, and other metaphorical expressions, may have led to the marvellous additions.
I have given in the text what appears to me the most probable narrative: but it must be confessed that the ground on which we here stand is vague and uncertain.
(32) Katib al Wackidi, p. 20 ½ and 21. Hishami makes the person who found him to be the famous Waraca; but Wackidi represents Abd al Muttalib as sending one of his grandsons to the search. The latter also gives some verses purporting to be Abd al Muttalib's prayer to the deity at the Kaaba to restore the child; but they appear to be apocryphal. |
Sir William Muir, The Life Of Mahomet, Volume 2, Chapter 1, Page 23
With regards to footnote 30 of Wackidi of the above quote:
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| “It was not longer than a month after our return that his milk-brother came running to me and his father, saying, “Two men dressed in white garments have taken hold of my brother, and have thrown him on the ground. They ripped open his belly, and are squeezing him.” I and his foster father hastened out and found him standing apparently unharmed but with his coun¬tenance quite altered. We questioned him, and he said, “Two men dressed in white garments came to me, who threw me down, opened my abdomen and searched in it for I know not what.” We returned with him to our tent, and his foster father said to me, “0 Halima! I fear something has happened to the boy. Carry him to his family ere the injury becomes apparent!” |
Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasoul Allah, Chapter 1 _________________ Islam is anti-infidel, therefor i am anti-Islam. - Dan Cannon.
I am the greatest minority in the world: an individual. - David Gulbraa. |
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menjalara
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This is the most wackiest article that I have ever seen! This author, "Ali Sina" (whoever the heck the moron is) would surely deserve the award of "Best Writing By Moron Who Repeated An Orientalist Lie 200 Years Ago"!
I wish to impore the readers to visit the folowing link to see how this moron's lie has been destroyed aeons ago by an eloquent writer.....
The Prophet Muhammad(P) and the Slander of Epilepsy
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Muhammad/epilepsy.htm
I think this is enuff to destroy such allegations. For people who think..... _________________ Bukan Islam Liberal
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Hector

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| menjalara wrote: |
This is the most wackiest article that I have ever seen! This author, "Ali Sina" (whoever the heck the moron is) would surely deserve the award of "Best Writing By Moron Who Repeated An Orientalist Lie 200 Years Ago"!
I wish to impore the readers to visit the folowing link to see how this moron's lie has been destroyed aeons ago by an eloquent writer.....
The Prophet Muhammad(P) and the Slander of Epilepsy
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Muhammad/epilepsy.htm
I think this is enuff to destroy such allegations. For people who think..... |
Hello Menj,
Welcome to FFI. Care to provide the sahih hadith that proves Aisha had already reached puberty by the time she married and had sex with Muhammad?
I do remember asking you at least 6 times to provide this sahih hadith. But so far I haven't seen it.
Regards,
Hector.
I'm glad you are around. Please stick around and we shall have some fun. _________________ What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepubescent nine-year-old child who liked playing with dolls and swings? Mo the demon Pedophile. |
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