My story with leaving Islam...

[liberate_ur_mind]

Hello everyone! I'm a recent "murtad" who finally found the truth. I posted my story on the AOI forum but it's down for some reason!

Anyway, I was born and raised a muslim in a middle-eastern country (I'm Arab). Studied Islam at school for 12 years. I started having doubts about Islam after I debated with some "kuffar"... most of the time I found that their arguments made much more sense than mine, but I still dismissed them because of my blind faith. I found that those kuffar knew exactly what they were talking about, and in many cases knew more about Islam than I did!
That was when I decided to start my quest for truth. Over the subsequent few months I tried to learn as much about Islam as possible, from an un-biased point of view, my intention was to make my faith even stronger by learning more about Islam. How wrong I was! One thing led to another, the more I found out about Islam and the Quran the less sense it seemed to make.
What frustrated me most is that a lot of stuff I found out through research wasn't even taught to me at school, like that hadith where mohammad suggests that the sun waits under Allah's throne and asks permission to rise again. I felt like I had been bullied into believing in Islam ever since I was born without really being given a choice.

Anyway to cut a long story short, I came to the inevitable conclusion that the Quran is nothing but a load of rubbish and that there is absolutely nothing miraculous about it. I was very sad about this, knowing that all those years of religious education were a total waste of time.

It was a very tough decision for me to make, I never thought I'd see the day where I become a "murtad"... but at the end of the day glad to have found the truth.
I also decided not to tell my family about it, I will still be a muslim to them and as long as that keeps them happy i'm alright with it. I did tell a few close mates of mine as I had to get it off my chest and desperately needed to talk about it with someone who will understand me.

I know that I have found the truth, but I still sometimes get "guilty" feelings and start thinking stuff like "what on earth have u just done? leave islam? are you for real? what about all those wonderful things they taught u about mohammad and allah? What if I do end up going to hell? What if I did get brainwashed by anti-islamic Zionists after all?"
Of course I don't believe in heaven and hell anymore but I'm sure some of u understand what I'm going through. It's not that easy to throw away something you believed in all your life.

One of the things I'm still unsure about however, is the concept of Jinns. What's your point of view on them? I heard many stories from trustworthy relatives and friends, many of which have witnessed Jinn interaction themselves. Too many stories in fact to dismiss as hallucinations or that sort of thing.

Thanks for this great site and keep up the good work.

[Aragorn]

When ever u get scared of going to hell - just remember -

You would rather burn in hell than rape women (which is wat mohammed did).

God will send Mohammed to hell because of rape - remember that.
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I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn

Im just a nomal kaffir trying to react to Islam's kaffirism

[diotima64]

Dear liberate-ur-mind,

welcome to the forum and thank you for your story. you are living proof that all those who say it is no use talking to muslims are wrong - that is good!

As far as the "jinns" are concerned...I have no personal experience of this, and of course all the resident atheists on this forum will only ridicule even your question, but many people outside of islam believe there is another "world" or "dimension", too. Also, there are many stories of ghosts, apparitions, inexplicable encounters...around the world, in all cultures. In the bible, we have angels and demons (as a catholic, I even have my personal guardian angel!) and I am quite sure the buddhists (at least the tibetan variety) have something similar. I have no fixed opinion on this, but try to keep an open mind. Of one thing I am sure, though: whatever there is (or is not): even the existence of some spiritual entity (call it Jinn or whatever you like) would not prove islam to be true or from God.

[Aragorn]

I used to have a friend at uni - she lived in one of the halls of residence - and she used to say that her room was haunted.

She would phone me up at nite - telling me that some ghosts were staring at her and she could hear them plotting to kill her.

She could be pulling my leg - but she was darn scared of that room - she eventually moved out - poor soul - I dont know if she was really seeing ghosts or whether she is just plain crazy
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I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn

Im just a nomal kaffir trying to react to Islam's kaffirism

[paz]

Welcome, Liberate ur Mind.
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[Misnomer]

Congrats, LuM! I was raised Christian and find it just as ridiculous as Islam. We don't have Jinn here in the West, but there are a couple paranormal phenomena that I believe in
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[daffodil]

Dear liberate-your-mind,

Good for you that you got out of bondage! It's better to breathe the free air for a day then live like a robot for eternity!

As for Jinns, there's a lot of reading material out there dealing with ghosts, spirits, after-death, different dimensions etc. Great subway past-time too.

[Christian2]

liberate_ur_mind,

Thank you for telling your story. So you are no longer a Muslim, but an atheist. This change had to be very scary for you.

I was never a Muslim, but I did study Islam for over 3 years and have read the Qur'an. I read some Hadith collections, and studied the history of Islam and Muhammad. I wanted to know if there was any truth to it and decided that there was none.

Along with the study of Islam I studied Christianity. This is where my truth lies. Studying Islam made me a very devote Christian. Even though I was born a Christian because that was what my parents were, I had serious doubts. So much so that at one time I didn't believe that there was a god at all. This is the place I was before studying Islam.

A Muslim once told me that since I had chosen Christianity over Islam that that was proof that I had been taken over by a Jinn.

Good luck and thanks again for your story.

[liberate_ur_mind]

Thanks for the replies.
I have read quite a lot about the various 'spiritual' dimensions (e.g. astral dimension) and find the topic rather interesting although I'm more on the skeptical side.
Anyway yeah I think it's true that if such an alternative world does exist, that wouldn't prove the legitimacy of Islam... because according to Islam, heaven and hell are physical places that exist somewhere in the universe. Best proof on that is the belief that the "hajar al aswad" or the black rock (In Mecca) is a rock from heaven, and it was originally white in colour but turned black because of the sins of all the kafirs!
I consider myself to be more agnostic than atheist at the moment... a God may or may not exist but it's definitely not the judeo-christian-islamic God. (No disrespect to the Christian or Jewish users on here, this is just my opinion).

[Christian2]

Hi,

[WhammyAthame]

Congrats Liberate
It's not easy to leave a religion you grew up with and it takes a while to change your thoughts and get rid of the feeling that some mighty god is going to strike you down at any moment because you stopped believing.
It takes the heart a while to catch up with the head.
As far as jinn....
there are many things which exist for which we have no logical explanation. That doesn't mean that 100 years from now mankind may have the explanation for them. After all, the ancients had all kinds of stories to explain what we now know are natural occurances, eclipses for example.
I wish I could deny the supernatural because the rational side of me would like to think it's all nonsense
however, I have had enough supernatural experiences to know that it isn't nonsense.
I lived in a hunted house for 5 years, and convinced myself the entire time that I was simply imagining things. Even though I had two friends (who didn't know each other) tell me about the things that happened there when I wasn't home, I still ignored everything going on around me. They both had the same experiences and neither one would ever stay in the house unless I was there with them. They both swore the stuff didn't happen when I was home. It wasn't until after I moved out and talked to the next occupant that I realized it was not my imagination. One day I asked her if she ever noticed anything strange about the house and she kind of turned pale and said 'it happened to you too? thank god! I thought I was losing my mind!'
Stuff like lights turning on and off by themselves, the TV changing channels when people would leave the room, somebody sitting on the bed at night, the bathroom doorknob turning when there was nobody outside the door, seeing a shadowy figure outside the bedroom door in the mornings, (what appeared to be) blood showing up at the same spots on the walls, etc. I blamed power surges, dreaming, the cats got into a fight, whatever. She, like me, pretended it wasn't happening, but her poor husband (like my friends, who were both men) refused to stay in the house unless she was there. Whatever it was seemed to dislike men and took delight in slamming doors, opening and closing windows, flashing the lights, pushing them down the stairs, shredding newspapers and turning over clothesbaskets - as well as telling them to 'get out!'. When I look back on it now, I wonder how I ever stayed there. Once when I was there visiting, my friend and I were playing with tarot cards. Two cards came up side by side that had a special significance for me. I commented on it and they moved away from each other. I slid them back together and they slid further apart. I thought maybe it was static so I picked them up and then placed them side by side and said stay there and once again they slid apart. Now I'm mad, and I picked them up and slammed them on the table and said GDit stay where I put you!. Then both cards flew off the table and half way across the room, and at the same time an entire shelf of books in the other room crashed to the floor, scaring the life out of her son and his gf. I thought it was cool lol, she was not too thrilled as she lived there and would be sleeping in the house that night.
Anyway, I could write a book on all my experiences, but I am sure 100 years from now there will be a rational explanation for them, even if it's only because we have a better understanding of what is considered to be paranormal.
If you are having supernatural experiences, try not to let them scare you, write them down and try to understand them. Always look for the rational explanation before assuming it's jinn, or ghosts, or aliens, etc. Try to have a detached, scientific approach to them.
If you talk about them, a few people will understand, lots will think you are crazy, and the fundies will think you are possessed - so be careful who you share with.

[gupsfu]

Hey, welcome to humanity, lum,
and welcome to the forum!
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[doubtless]

Welcome liberate_ur_mind.
Keep your mind liberated.
I hope you will keep learning and keep questioning. It is hard to learn without the questions.
So feel free to ask all the questions you want to ask. No topic is really off limits around here. So feel free.
Hope to read more form you.
Welcome once again.
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[Omen123]

Congratulations on leaving the world of insanity into sound mind on this forum.

[luckybee]