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Mullah Mo
Joined: 08 Mar 2004
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| i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores, just that how women dress change your respect for them, i was tlaking about the two opposite kind of dress. |
Are you saying my mom dresses like a whore?? What kind of ingorant statement is that?? Brainwashed douche bag....
Why don't you tell me where you live so that I can come kick your ass. |
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faith
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
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Location: south wales, uk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
do want to see it bigger so you can read it?
i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
come and swim over the other side of the pond then |
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Mullah Mo
Joined: 08 Mar 2004
Posts: 622
Location: Mental Hospital
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
do want to see it bigger so you can read it?
i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
come and swim over the other side of the pond then |
I must have misread the sentence. Anyway, get over it.
p.s. I would love to cross the Atlantic Pond and stab you with a rusty screwdriver. Or maybe I should just bloodied up your entire face. Piss on your face while you’re on the ground bleeding.
You Muslims in the U.K. think you're so TUFF. I wish we could move all of you to the U.S. because you will get a beat down on a daily bases.
Tell Allah, Mohammed, or whatever it is called, I said what's up.
Peace. |
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Arif Qurashi
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: my testimony - married to a muslim and converted |
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| Allah ta'la has created us to obey him, yes to make us pure, it is satan who makes us impure and leads us onto other paths, the angels must obey Allah ta'la they have no choice, Allah ta'la made the angles bow down to adam, as this was the first human creation, one angel refused and therefore he was punished to the hellfire for eternity (satan) he said to allah ta'la he would lead mankind astray, this therefore making some humans impure. |
Last night I woke up in the middle of the night to drain the cane, I admit I was a little groggy but by Allah I saw an Angel, with his naked butt in the air he was bowing down before me. I was embarrassed and told him to get up and wait till I was done. While going in my new Kohler toilet, I was staring at him, I noticed that he was all hanging out, this was more than I could bear. I offered him my clean Hanes underwear but he declined saying that it would hinder his flight. My high quality Hanes would bubble up and disintegrate at the high speeds he travels. Besides he told me that he was proud of his proportions. "Bet you're Angel Gabriel", I said. With a smile and a nod he said, "yes". I asked in excitement, "...are you the same...the Moham...", again with a nod and a smile he affirmed. "Tell me", I said, "what was it like, I mean meeting the prophet of Allah and stuff...". "Oh!", he replied, "same old crap, whenever I flew into the cave to deliver a message, there he would be chocking the chicken...", "Chocking the chicken?", I replied, "yea, flogging his camel...you know, spanking the monkey, beating the meat..., ha! I have a good one for you Arif... what's the difference between meat and fish?", "Is this a trick question?" I asked, "ha!", he replied, "beat your fish and it dies... anyway, there he was this Mohammed always in the dark cave pump'n away, he'd get pretty upset with me all butt necked giving him Allah's messages.", "so, what else, was he the last prophet?", "Hell no", replied Gabes, "Moe was simply an experiment, because of his very nature he would screw up Allah's verses, for example, sura 111: that Al-Lahab one was not supposed to be so stupid. It was a far superior verse than what you see, Moe would take my messages then leaving his cave would completely change the verse. The actual verse goes like this...May the hands of Abu-Lahab nourish, may he himself nourish, may his wealth and gains multiply..." Moe was such a fu@# up that we finally gave up on him."
I asked Gabes, why did Allah make Satan bow before Adam a mere mortal and also a far inferior creature. "Yes, all of us Angels were pissed, because, you see, Adam had a short life span and above all else could not fly!!!", why the hell did we have to bow before this idiot?...still beats me, glad he's dead.", "Look at you", he said pointing to me, you're going to be dead in some years, you're no gem, granted you are superior to Mohammed, but we never die, how do you ever suppose us Angles are inferior to you?". "But why were you bowing to me when I came here?", "Don't flatter yourself prick, I was simply looking for my contacts, ass-hole. "Then why are you visiting to me?", I asked. "Who's going to believe you anyway, this is 2004, you tell anyone you saw Angel Gabriel they'll lock you up fool, try telling your wife and see what happens, dip sh!t!.", "You got a potty mouth for an angel you know", I said. With that Angel Gabriel flew away through the open window, I still remember looking at his posterior...pink cheeks, talk about butt crack, man!
I went back to bed, my wife asked, "who was it you were talking to?", "Angel Gabriel honey", I said. "Oh! God, I'm glad all our children are adopted, can't imagine what a duck your child would be...ass hole!", said my dear wife to me.
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| yes we are Allah ta'las creation but in this world we dont have to obey Allah but we will pay for it in the afterlife. do u you see women and and men in bikins and shorts in churches?? no, they are dressed modestly and are mostly covered, its disrespectful, Islam teaches that women should be covered to earn respect from men (dont say its oppression! if you saw a woman with hotpants on and a skimpy top with high heels, you'd see her as easy and you wouldnt respect what she is wearing, you'd take advantage of her, Islam gives a lot of respect for women, they should not be treated like meat to a dog) so if theyre covered anyway, why should there be a problem being covered while in prayer??? |
At least I will have had a good life on this earth. Why are Muslims so obsessed with the human body? Next time Gabes visits me I'll ask him.
Women should cover themselves to earn respect from men? I'm glad I not Muslim anymore, if any woman is reading this, please woman, I'm not one of them.
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| if the Qur'an was available in different languages like the bible, words would get changed (as no word is the exact word in another language) |
please faith, the Quran needs desperate changing, it is a very bad book as it is.
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| so how do you pray?? by pointing your hands up to heaven?? why are you so arrogant and ashamed by bowing and prostrating to the almighy superior one who has created you? afterall youre just a piece of clay. |
I have this phobia all of a sudden, whenever my ass is higher than my head, I quiver. So if I pray by pointing my hands up to heaven so be it, none of this prostrating crap. I will never point towards a rock to pray.
Ayatullah Arif |
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faith
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
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Location: south wales, uk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
do want to see it bigger so you can read it?
i wasnt implying that non muslim women dressed like whores
come and swim over the other side of the pond then |
I must have misread the sentence. Anyway, get over it.
p.s. I would love to cross the Atlantic Pond and stab you with a rusty screwdriver. Or maybe I should just bloodied up your entire face. Piss on your face while you’re on the ground bleeding.
You Muslims in the U.K. think you're so TUFF. I wish we could move all of you to the U.S. because you will get a beat down on a daily bases.
Tell Allah, Mohammed, or whatever it is called, I said what's up.
Peace. |
you racist bastard |
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Mullah Mo
Joined: 08 Mar 2004
Posts: 622
Location: Mental Hospital
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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you racist bastard |
I didn't know Islam was a race.......
Being a Muslim is a race??
WOW!!
What color eyes do Muslims have?? Do they all have white skin or maybe black? |
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Ampbreia
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
Posts: 1351
Location: U.S.A.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sheesh! You're all being potty mouths here and the Muslim here - a rarity !- is being the least so.
By the by dear Faith, to be "racist" is to have negative associations with the racial characteristics of others (like skin color or facial structure) with or without any personal experiences to justify it. Race and religion are two entirely different things. Muslims, for instance, are of all races not just Arab. As for our dislike of Islam, it is heavily from personal experiences with it as well as the reading of its scriptures and hearing about it constantly on the 6 o'clock news. If Muslims don't want us to think of them as terrorists, then why do they commit so many acts of terrorism and then top it off with braggery as though they possessed no humanity at all?
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| Islam teaches that women should be covered to earn respect from men (dont say its oppression! if you saw a woman with hotpants on and a skimpy top with high heels, you'd see her as easy and you wouldnt respect what she is wearing, you'd take advantage of her, Islam gives a lot of respect for women, they should not be treated like meat to a dog) so if theyre covered anyway, why should there be a problem being covered while in prayer??? |
Yeah right. I was told that too back in the days I walked with chadur, marnet, and escort in sweltering 110 degree heat. Oh yeah, the value of that was that it would allegedly earn me respect from males. Not true. So called "good" Muslim males would go out of their way to bump every chadurred woman in the crowd to try and grope her. I was constantly smacking them off me and saying very bad things about the male species in general though as a non-Muslim, unhijabbed before that, being molested like that was extremely rare. Only these Muslim men were so disrespectful and then, ironically, only after I started wearing full hijab!
Another woman I knew of in the same predicament came up with a much better solution to the gropping problem than I ever thought of bless her heart and hats off to her! She started zapping the gropper right in the crotch with an electric cattle prod and left a swath of hysterically sobbing men on their knees in the dust of her wake. Very soon, she could go anywhere without being molested in the least. Hijab is nothing for earning respect compared to a sturdy old cattle prod wouldn't you say?
It is not impossible for men and women to control their sexual urges, confining them for appropriate times and places. It's standard in most societies. It is dignified for them to do so and to respect one another as equals without excessive regard to gender. Clothes don't matter. Male non-Muslims behave better with women even in nudist camps than male Muslims do in a sea of purdah and black chadurs! I kid you not.
Unfortunately, boys aren't raised that way under Islam. Girls in Islam are raised only for fearful subordinance to men. The consequences of a girl not completely controlling her sexual urges as well as those of every man who sees her is death. The consequences of his failure to control himself is nothing in most cases. |
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faith
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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you racist bastard |
I didn't know Islam was a race.......
Being a Muslim is a race??
WOW!!
What color eyes do Muslims have?? Do they all have white skin or maybe black? |
being rascist isnt just about making comments about peoples skin, it can include nationality and religion, but obviously you're to arrogant to know that |
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IoshkaFutz
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ciao Ampbreia,
Just out of college in the early seventies, a fine looking blonde American alumna from Seattle came to Rome to visit me. At that time Italian men used to pester women a lot (mostly just with come-ons).
Fed up with being hassled, she crumpled up a newspaper into a ball and placed it squarely between her shoulder blades, pretending to be a hunchwoman. That and walking slightly bowed and with a grimace did the trick. |
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Iznogoodh
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It never takes long for a Muslim to start talking about bikini's or hot pants, especially when these examples have nothing to do with the subject. |
considering i was talking about dress, this has everything to do with the subject.
so if it wasnt for this one 'fault' you'd accept Islam?
i doubt it very much, you'll find another negative aspect other than dress. |
I am totally surprised. How did you ever guess that?????????
By the way: did you expect me, after I had left the funny Roman-Catholic religion, to choose for another fantastic fairytale story? I'd rather become a witch and dance nude around the old oak tree in the company of 72 gorgeous young wouldbe witches that can't wait to be initiated.
Why is Islam always so booooooooooring?
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Mullah Mo
Joined: 08 Mar 2004
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being rascist isnt just about making comments about peoples skin, it can include nationality and religion, but obviously you're to arrogant to know that |
Skin color, YES
Nationality, YES
Religion, NO!!!
Religion is not a race.
While you’re in here busy labeling me a racist, you missed a good post by Arif Qurashi.
I love reading his posts. Don’t you??
As for the rest of you, I apologize for being a foul mouth. I just got really pissed off because this clown turned out to be a British Muslim.
What they’re doing in the U.K. is disgussing.
They are tying to fool the intellectual with propaganda such as; Jihad is actually a new concept. The Young Turks Movement started it.
Islam means PEACE!!
Jihad means serving Allah with peaceful way.
I guess you can say I have a bone to pick with the British Muslims. |
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Ampbreia
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Ioshkafutz (what does that name mean?) wrote:
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Just out of college in the early seventies, a fine looking blonde American alumna from Seattle came to Rome to visit me. At that time Italian men used to pester women a lot (mostly just with come-ons).
Fed up with being hassled, she crumpled up a newspaper into a ball and placed it squarely between her shoulder blades, pretending to be a hunchwoman. That and walking slightly bowed and with a grimace did the trick. |
So... what you're saying is it's not a Muslim guy thing, but maybe just a mediterranean machismo thing? Please tell me you're not like that. I'd really hate to have to lower my opinion of you. I not used to that and tend to look down on that sort. In any case, so long as they don't touch I guess there's no need to physically injure such a one: a verbal retort, put-down, or ignore should be sufficient for any woman to deal with them unless she's a complete whimpette. Ignoring them is best, since they aren't really worthy of any real notice, but if they plan on making physical contact, I'd rather go armed and dangerous rather than resort to hijab.
Your friend's solution, while innovative, still galls me a bit on behalf of our gender. What she improvised was just another form of hijab. No woman should be forced to resort to that, let alone put up with it. Would any man ever be willing to put up with that? Being denigrated or molested just for the gender one happens to be? Doesn't Italy have anti-harrassment laws? I hope it's not still like that. I've never been there myself but, until now, have always hoped to someday go there. |
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IoshkaFutz
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: Ciao |
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Ciao Ampbreia,
Me like that? I'm a little bolder now in my dotage, but as a kid I was so shy that once a girl asked me to dance and I ran away.
No, some of that survives down South, where there used to be honor killings and suchlike, but now, at least reading the women's magazines, it might've gone too far the other way... alla Americana, where just a pleasantry in the office might get you into a court case.
This is a fashion conscious country so a certain degree of looking, playing, flirting are taken for granted by men and women alike. Dispositions are a bit sunnier than up North.. so conversations that might take a couple of beers up in Hamburg, barely need acqua minerale in Naples.
Hijab in the land of Versace, Armani and Co.? Are you kidding?
Well there are some neighborhoods... but guess who's hassling the ladies?
Ciao |
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Ampbreia
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Me like that? I'm a little bolder now in my dotage, but as a kid I was so shy that once a girl asked me to dance and I ran away.
No, some of that survives down South, where there used to be honor killings and suchlike, but now, at least reading the women's magazines, it might've gone too far the other way... alla Americana, where just a pleasantry in the office might get you into a court case. |
Oh good Ioshkafutz! I'm much relieved about Italy and you. But what's this about honor killings down south... in Italy? I thought those only happened in Dar Islam... or do those happen to be Muslim communities?
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| This is a fashion conscious country so a certain degree of looking, playing, flirting are taken for granted by men and women alike. Dispositions are a bit sunnier than up North.. so conversations that might take a couple of beers up in Hamburg, barely need acqua minerale in Naples. |
Ah, well here too to some extent. Playful flirting is okay as long as no one takes it too seriously & no one takes as automatic permission to go further or be crass, because it's nothing of the kind. I know plenty that deliberately flirt with others specifically in the presence of their significant other just for the sake of teasing them and making a subtle demand for romantic attention from their real love interest, the one they're actually married to or otherwise attached to. That's just fun and light-hearted. It's also a clear statement that people can be completely devoted to one another without either claiming ownership on the other. In some cultures, a family relationship implies someone's ownership and love may have nothing whatsoever to do with it. That's how certain sorts of parents can kill their own child and certain sorts of husband his wife for "disobediance" or "dishonor." Love has nothing to do with such things. Maniacal possessiveness does... and that's just WRONG.
But back on topic: sexual harrassment is different from playful flirtation in that it is not invited, not wanted, not reciprocated, and can even be precieved as threatening or demeaning. That's the important difference that Muslim boys - as well as occassional other neanderthals - just can't seem to get.
Faith? Please answer me this: are you really a British-born Muslim as IzNoGood said? Did you then convert to Islam from something else? This hang up you evince about women having to wear hijab in order to have your respect, does that attitude come solely from Islam? or did Islam simply legitimize it for you? I'm very curious about that. |
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