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Gays, Wake Up!
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budyboy



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Gays, Wake Up! Reply with quote

As a gay man, I want to shake some of my comrades who think that marching with islamists is a sign of 'liberalism'. Wake up!! These people despise you, and in a muslim country they would execute you.

Stop apologizing for them. They would turn you to the gallows in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Gays, Wake Up! Reply with quote

budyboy wrote:
As a gay man, I want to shake some of my comrades who think that marching with islamists is a sign of 'liberalism'. Wake up!! These people despise you, and in a muslim country they would execute you.

Stop apologizing for them. They would turn you to the gallows in a heartbeat.


So true, but ironically man on man buggery is rife in many Islamic countries.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome budyboy,

Gays are not the only ones who suffer this blindness.

It is present in all sections of society and in non-Muslim countries.

But waking people up is what we are here for.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to FFI, budyboy.
At least some Homosexuals are starting to realise Islam and those who promote Islam are not fighting for any kind of equality or acceptance.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38282
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All.

There is only one thing that muslims are fighting for & that is total islamic superiority. Those who are not muslims will be oppressed, terrorised, abused. Made to pay excessive tax's just to be who & what they are.

They will not be able to own any houses, nor will they be able to own a business. Also as Richard said as far as homosexuals are concerned they would kill you all, you would all be stoned to death. It matters not what they do behind closed doors. The facts that you or anyone else stated they was a gay, they would be killed.

Some time ago I read a letter that some muslim had wrote on one of there evil sites. In that letter it said that they will use all our high moral standards against us. They will use our laws to over throw us they will use our liberal sociaties to beat us. After they have got what they want they will then show us there real objectives & what they really want to do & when that happens god help us all.

All those silly liberals who stood up for these people, they will be the first ones they will turn on as they will not accept that kind of person in there society. These people who stand with muslims are so blind to the truth they are one step from being mentally committed, they need to open there eyes to the facts & the truth, though as far as they are concerned they are so open minded & intellectual they do not need to listen to what we are all saying, as they already know the truth, it is these silly people with there own high & mighty moral standards that muslims are relying on.

May your gods be with you. But it will not help.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islam considers homosexuality a crime.

Just out of curiosity, but on what grounds do you think that acts should be made crimes and who decides?

Is it by will of the majority? Is it based on a natural rights scheme?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All.

jinnzaman it matters not what I think about the question you asked: what grounds do you think that acts should be made crimes and who decides? .

What I was saying is quite apparent, I have made myself quite. So it matters not if I think Homosexuality is a crime. The point I made is that those Homosexuals & liberals who are backing muslims at the moment, will be stabbed in the backs by those same muslims.

That was the point of the post I made, not if something is or should be a crime. You are just trying to twist the point of what has been said, which is a usual muslim trick.

May your gods be with you. but it will not help.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, my point is that Muslim cultures have the same right to declare something to be criminal as other cultures.

Different countries have different laws regarding things like gambling, prostitution, drug use, and even incest.

If Muslim cultures declare a particular act to be criminal in their own countries, then what does this have to do with Muslims living in a non-Muslim country who respect the laws of the land?

The connection you've made between the two is invalid.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinnzaman wrote:
No, my point is that Muslim cultures have the same right to declare something to be criminal as other cultures.

Different countries have different laws regarding things like gambling, prostitution, drug use, and even incest.

If Muslim cultures declare a particular act to be criminal in their own countries, then what does this have to do with Muslims living in a non-Muslim country who respect the laws of the land?

The connection you've made between the two is invalid.


Red herring.

The OP is not talking about whether or not Muslims have a right to declare their laws in their countries, at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

STEAM wrote:
jinnzaman wrote:
No, my point is that Muslim cultures have the same right to declare something to be criminal as other cultures.

Different countries have different laws regarding things like gambling, prostitution, drug use, and even incest.

If Muslim cultures declare a particular act to be criminal in their own countries, then what does this have to do with Muslims living in a non-Muslim country who respect the laws of the land?

The connection you've made between the two is invalid.


Red herring.

The OP is not talking about whether or not Muslims have a right to declare their laws in their countries, at all.


Whose "the OP"?

Thats the entire point. If morality is subjective, then Muslims have an equally valid right to declare certain acts to be criminal and have punishments as they see fit.

Muslims in this country respect and follow the laws of the land and have waived their right to establishing the Shari'ah here. Thus, homosexuals should have no concern for Muslims in this country. If they claim that shouldn't network with Muslims in this country for common causes because of what Muslims do in their own countries with their own laws, then this is imposing one's own understanding of morality upon another type. This is moral and cultural hegemony.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinnzaman wrote:
STEAM wrote:
jinnzaman wrote:
No, my point is that Muslim cultures have the same right to declare something to be criminal as other cultures.

Different countries have different laws regarding things like gambling, prostitution, drug use, and even incest.

If Muslim cultures declare a particular act to be criminal in their own countries, then what does this have to do with Muslims living in a non-Muslim country who respect the laws of the land?

The connection you've made between the two is invalid.


Red herring.

The OP is not talking about whether or not Muslims have a right to declare their laws in their countries, at all.


Whose "the OP"?

The Opening Poster.

jinnzaman wrote:

Thats the entire point. If morality is subjective, then Muslims have an equally valid right to declare certain acts to be criminal and have punishments as they see fit.

Muslims in this country respect and follow the laws of the land and have waived their right to establishing the Shari'ah here. Thus, homosexuals should have no concern for Muslims in this country. If they claim that shouldn't network with Muslims in this country for common causes because of what Muslims do in their own countries with their own laws, then this is imposing one's own understanding of morality upon another type. This is moral and cultural hegemony.

There is a certain breed of snakes that bites, only when in a majority.

Is a person well-advised to associate with a minority, because they won't bite him NOW?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've just compared Muslims to snakes. How isn't this a racial stereotype?

So much for a 'rational discussion'
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinnzaman wrote:
You've just compared Muslims to snakes. How isn't this a racial stereotype?

I have done no such thing.

I have put forth an analogy.

If you extrapolate that, I am not to blame.

jinnzaman wrote:
So much for a 'rational discussion'

Indeed, so much.

BTW, how about answering my question?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, based on your inability to answer my posts, I've analogized that you're impotent or mentally retarded. Take your pick.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinnzaman wrote:
Well, based on your inability to answer my posts, I've analogized that you're impotent or mentally retarded. Take your pick.


Ad hominem. The last resort of the Muslim?

Please answer my question.
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