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Hector
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:51 am Post subject: New Species of Hominid Discovered? |
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Any creationist/Islamist want to have a go at explaining this?
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Tiny new species of human unearthed
18:00 27 October 04
NewScientist.com news service
The remains of a tiny and hitherto unknown species of human that lived as recently as 13,000 years ago have been discovered on an Indonesian island.
The discovery has been heralded as the most important palaeoanthropological find for 50 years, and has radically altered the accepted picture of human evolution.
The skull and bones of one adult female, and fragments from up to six other specimens, were found in the Liang Bua limestone caves on Flores Island, which lies at the eastern tip of Java.
The female skeleton, known as LB1 - or by the nickname "Ebu" - has been assigned to a new species within the genus Homo - Homo floresiensis. Examination of the remains shows members of the species stood just 1 metre tall and had a brain no bigger than a grapefruit.
A handful of stone tools from the same period were also found in the caves, along with the bones and teeth of several dwarf stegodons, an ancestor of the modern elephant. Other animal remains, including rats, bats and fish, show signs that they were cooked around the time H. floresiensis inhabited in the caves. |
You can read the rest of the article here: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996588
Other news on the same discovery:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3960001.stm
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000B7CEA-EA31-117E-AA3183414B7F0000
http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=97564®ion=2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3948165.stm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/369A51D6-3545-46F0-BA39-10BBB2F3DAB2.htm
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Scott
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it's god's will.
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BloodoftheLamb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Jesus the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
the evolutionists are busy with their erasers again.
LOL...
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Righteous
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| BloodoftheLamb wrote: |
Jesus the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
the evolutionists are busy with their erasers again.
LOL... |
Jesus wrong yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Just because something is unchanging does not make it right.
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piggy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Today, an Australian paper, i.e. Sydney Daily Telegraph reports that these "hobbit' people may have been in existence upto as recently as 500 years ago when Dutch explorers were in the region of where they habitated. |
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piggy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| BloodoftheLamb wrote: |
Jesus the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
the evolutionists are busy with their erasers again.
LOL... |
BOTL,
Can you get your head around the concept of "christ" as a permanent, existing consciousness rather than a divine human? |
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BloodoftheLamb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| BloodoftheLamb wrote: |
Jesus the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
the evolutionists are busy with their erasers again.
LOL... |
BOTL,
Can you get your head around the concept of "christ" as a permanent, existing consciousness rather than a divine human? |
He is both.
Why do you fail to see this?
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T_ID
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Still the question how creationism can be right if they have major gaps in their story due to this new species of humans.
It was claimed before creationism was right, so then how come their theory didn't include this new species?
what other things are left unsaid? if we can't believe that doctrine on one thing, why believe it on others?
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BloodoftheLamb
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they are dating this thing at 18000 years when they said only yesterday homo sapiens was alone on the planet 160,000 years ago.
The dont know much more then they do know.
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T_ID
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| they are dating this thing at 18000 years when they said only yesterday homo sapiens was alone on the planet 160,000 years ago. |
that is untrue.
there are even popular rumours of natives having encounters with these humans, and although they're unproven so far, it could indicate the species becoming extimnct only 300 years ago.
The fact that you say "scientists say the homosapiens was alone on this planet" is also a clear indicator that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
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Hector
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| BloodoftheLamb wrote: |
they are dating this thing at 18000 years when they said only yesterday homo sapiens was alone on the planet 160,000 years ago.
The dont know much more then they do know. |
Please do your research BloodoftheLamb, because the neanderthals lived until about 30,000 years ago, so homo sapiens sapiens (which is what I presume you mean) cannot have been alone on the planet 160,000 years ago.
Some scientists say that a mixed neanderthal/cro magnon 4-year-old child found in the Lapedo Valley north of Lisbon, Portugal, lived 24,500 years ago. Radiocarbon dating showed the child lived 4,000 years after the time that Neanderthals and early modern humans co-existed on the Iberian Peninsula.
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Hector
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The story is not over. Some controversy over whether this discovery is genuine or not.
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11492976%255E421,00.html
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Doubts cast on Hobbit discovery
By Peter Shadbolt
November 25, 2004
THE discovery of a previously unknown species of prehistoric human - nicknamed the Hobbit - may not be as extraordinary as first thought, with a group of scientists arguing the fossil remains are in fact those of a deformed modern man.
The find, hailed as the most significant archaelogical discovery in a century when it was revealed by Australian and Indonesian scientists last month, promised to rewrite the history of humankind - the metre-tall, ape-like being lived as recently as 11,000 BC, up to 40,000 years after modern humans, or homo sapiens, appeared.
But according to a report in the reputable Science magazine, a small but vocal group of scientists argues the skeleton dubbed homo floresiensis is a modern human with the disease microcephaly - a deformity characterised by a small brain and head.
"They jumped the gun," paleopathologist Maciej Henneberg of the University of Adelaide says.
Mr Henneberg, who is leading the challenge, argues the skull of the Flores hominid - found on the Indonesian island of Flores last December - is similar to 4000-year-old microcephalic modern human skull unearthed earlier on the island of Crete.
He says the scientists who made the find failed to consider a related condition called secondary microcephaly.
Raising further doubts about the discovery, the sceptical scientists, who also include Indonesian paleoanthropologist Teuku Jacob, argue that contrary to initial claims, the specimen found was a man, not a woman.
A member of the discovery team, Professor Richard Roberts, of the University of Wollongong, last night defended the find on ABC Lateline, insisting the fossil was evidence of a new species but conceded the Hobbit might infact prove to be male.
Anthropologist Leslie Aiello of University College London backed the find, saying the skeleton is not that of a modern human because the postcranial bones indicated it was a separate species.
"The pelvis is virtually identical to that of an australopithecine," much wider than the modern human pelvis and compared with modern humans "the arms are long in relation to the legs".
The scientific stoush over the mini-man discovery has also become political, with Professor Jacob, Indonesia's "king" of paleoanthropologist, removing the skull to his own laboratory for study, raising concern in the international scientific community the specimen may not be made available for DNA testing.
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Hector
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Hobbit defended against research Gollum
By Deborah Smith, Science Editor
November 26, 2004
Australian scientists have dismissed as ill-informed claims that a member of a tiny new species of prehistoric human, known as Hobbits, found on the Indonesian island of Flores, was a modern human with a brain deformity.
Peter Brown, of the University New England, who was a member of the team that made the discovery, said the suggestion had come from a researcher who had not seen the specimen nor the archaeological site.
He said Maciej Henneberg, a palaeopathologist at the University of Adelaide, was not an authority on ancient hominids. "And his claims have not been peer reviewed."
Professor Henneberg told the journal Science that the Australian and Indonesian research team had "jumped the gun" in deciding the metre-high human that lived about 18,000 years ago was a member of a new species, Homo floresiensis.
He said the skull was similar to that of a 4000-year-old modern human found on Crete with a condition called secondary microcephaly, which causes a small brain.
The discovery of the new species, reported last month in the journal Nature, the leading competitor to Science, has been hailed by scientists as one of the greatest finds in decades - one that will rewrite our understanding of human evolution.
Professor Brown said remains from at least six other Hobbits, apart from the original female skeleton, had been found this year in the Flores cave and it was inconceivable that all of them could have had a serious brain condition and been able to breed and survive.
The Flores find had been reviewed by 12 experts before publication. "There's not a higher hurdle to jump than Nature peer review," Professor Brown said.
This month, a leading Indonesian palaeoanthropologist, Teuka Jacob, of Gadjah Mada University in Jakarta, also said the remains were from a modern human.
Professor Jacob, however, was recently allowed to remove the female Hobbit's skull and some of her bones from the National Research Centre of Archaeology in Jakarta to his own laboratory.
The move sparked concerns among scientists internationally that this could interfere with free access to the important finds.
However, Thomas Sutikna, the director of the Indonesian excavation team that uncovered the Hobbits, yesterday played down their fears.
He said Professor Jacob, who is regarded as the father of archaeology in Indonesia, was expected to return the "borrowed" remains by the end of December.
He said Professor Jacob was free to have his own opinions about the remains but the Australian and Indonesian team stood by their published results. |
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they are dating this thing at 18000 years when they said only yesterday homo sapiens was alone on the planet 160,000 years ago.
The dont know much more then they do know. |
That's not true. We allready knew that eastern Homo Erectus and Homo Neanderthalensis lived untill quite recently...(30.000 y/a). Apart from that it seems we have just *added* a line to our family tree, nothing has been erased. The fact that we have discovered this new species only adds weight and credence to our understanding of evolution.
(unless you now claim that in the Bible God created two mini versions of Adam and Eve in the South East of Asia as well as the modern Homo Sapiesn Versions in Eden) |
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Hector
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#EANF#
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