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| Why does Allah mandate this Requirement? |
| Women are Liars, so the other is there to make sure she is truthful |
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| Women have a Naturally Bad Memory, so the second Woman is there to remind the First |
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| Women are Deficient in Intelligence thus Allah is saying they are too inferior to be equal to a man |
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| Women are Deficient in Intelligence, but this does not make them inferior to men |
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| Other (please elaborate) |
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Sanitarium
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Quran never said women had bad memories or less memories... this is the speculation that I am talking about.
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No. The fact that women need the extra women there to remind the first (in case she forgets), and men do NOT means that women's memories are not as reliable as Men's (according to the Quran).
This makes Muhammad's statements in the hadith valid and in accordance with the Quran.
Stop bullsh!tting us.
| Just a woman wrote: |
And to give any other reason as to why 2 witnesses are given to women is contradicting Quran, as the Quran has stated why.
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We've told you many times, but you're too braindead to realise it. You're just scrambling trying to find anyting you can to "disprove" me (and us).
Sorry we aren't ignorant of Islam or the Quran; your Taqqiya doesn't work on us child.
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Your wasting your own time trying to pass your speculations as facts..... so its up to you to stop debating or to continue to do so...... it doesn't matter to me which one you decide. |
Actually we have provided evidences for our statements. YOU are the one who has not.
Just a Woman: Due you to your contiual ignoring of our requests for you to back up your claims, I declare this debate over.
YOU LOSE
If you'd like to start being truthful, then please open a new thread and actually present some evidence this time.
I strongly suggest everyone leave Just a Woman to wallow in her prison and ignorance; as she is surely a waste of every single person's time; she hasn't even equal intelligence to a half melted powder blue crayon.
She does not understand/employ logic in her arguments, and expects us to take her word (unsupported) as fact, when she jumps on us when she thinks we are making things up. Perhaps she will return when she is willing to have an open discussion.
So please everyone, let's just play with Just a Woman, or ignore her Deficient being altogether.
Just a Woman, you may be responses from me in the future, but it will only be to point out your lies and ignorance. If you wish to engage in another debate with me, I will expect you to start providing evidence instead of conjecutre.
As it stands now, I see you as a liar, a muslim who counts on our ignorance in order to slip lies past us, childish, repetetive, and unintelligent. You merely regurgitate what has been pounded into your head.
Please wake up so we can have a decent discussion; you have worn too many people out with your repetetive, habitual lying.
Got it, child?
Thanks
-Sani
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Just a woman
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| Just a woman wrote: |
Quran never said women had bad memories or less memories... this is the speculation that I am talking about.
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No. The fact that women need the extra women there to remind the first (in case she forgets), and men do NOT means that women's memories are not as reliable as Men's (according to the Quran).
This makes Muhammad's statements in the hadith valid and in accordance with the Quran.
Stop bullsh!tting us.
| Just a woman wrote: |
And to give any other reason as to why 2 witnesses are given to women is contradicting Quran, as the Quran has stated why.
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We've told you many times, but you're too braindead to realise it. You're just scrambling trying to find anyting you can to "disprove" me (and us).
Sorry we aren't ignorant of Islam or the Quran; your Taqqiya doesn't work on us child.
| Just a woman wrote: |
Your wasting your own time trying to pass your speculations as facts..... so its up to you to stop debating or to continue to do so...... it doesn't matter to me which one you decide. |
Actually we have provided evidences for our statements. YOU are the one who has not.
Just a Woman: Due you to your contiual ignoring of our requests for you to back up your claims, I declare this debate over.
YOU LOSE
If you'd like to start being truthful, then please open a new thread and actually present some evidence this time.
I strongly suggest everyone leave Just a Woman to wallow in her prison and ignorance; as she is surely a waste of every single person's time; she hasn't even equal intelligence to a half melted powder blue crayon.
She does not understand/employ logic in her arguments, and expects us to take her word (unsupported) as fact, when she jumps on us when she thinks we are making things up. Perhaps she will return when she is willing to have an open discussion.
So please everyone, let's just play with Just a Woman, or ignore her Deficient being altogether.
Just a Woman, you may be responses from me in the future, but it will only be to point out your lies and ignorance. If you wish to engage in another debate with me, I will expect you to start providing evidence instead of conjecutre.
As it stands now, I see you as a liar, a muslim who counts on our ignorance in order to slip lies past us, childish, repetetive, and unintelligent. You merely regurgitate what has been pounded into your head.
Please wake up so we can have a decent discussion; you have worn too many people out with your repetetive, habitual lying.
Got it, child?
Thanks
-Sani |
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No. The fact that women need the extra women there to remind the first (in case she forgets), and men do NOT means that women's memories are not as reliable as Men's (according to the Quran).
This makes Muhammad's statements in the hadith valid and in accordance with the Quran. |
What is this?..... Tell your speculations to the people of FFI who believe you. Fact is, Quran says why women have two witnesses......anything else is speculation......and anything that contradicts it is void.
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Sanitarium
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Just a Woman: the debate is closed. You have shown yourself to not be capable of the debate process, intelligent arguments, providing evidence, or even bringing new informaiton.
Again, the debate is closed and you lost; unless you with to provide some evidence or new arguments[/b].
That is all.
-Sanitarium
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Brave Steed
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Location: Here, like you.
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Sanitarium
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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 Right on!
-Sani
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mahiwal
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| the debate is closed and you lost; That is all.-Sanitarium |
Congrats on your self proclaimed victory,  |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: middleearth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| mahiwal wrote: |
| Sanitarium wrote: |
| the debate is closed and you lost; That is all.-Sanitarium |
Congrats on your self proclaimed victory, |
Self-proclaimed it may be... it is also TRUE. JAW is as thick as two brick - there is just no getting through to her. |
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Sanitarium
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| mahiwal wrote: |
| Sanitarium wrote: |
| the debate is closed and you lost; That is all.-Sanitarium |
Congrats on your self proclaimed victory, |
Hello mahiwal,
Self-proclaimed yes; but that point is obvious to anyone who has been following this thread. JAW's entire defence is "its not true!"
I wish to have debated with someone of higher intellect, or someone capable of logic/reasoning. Alas JAW does not fit into any of these categories, and would have continued to repeat her unsubstantiated claims for as much patience as we had. Check for yourself; its 20 pages of her repetetive, insubstantial claims.
-Sanitarium
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mahiwal
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
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Location: Miami, FL
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| mahiwal wrote: |
| Sanitarium wrote: |
| the debate is closed and you lost; That is all.-Sanitarium |
Congrats on your self proclaimed victory, |
Hello mahiwal,
Self-proclaimed yes; but that point is obvious to anyone who has been following this thread. JAW's entire defence is "its not true!"
I wish to have debated with someone of higher intellect, or someone capable of logic/reasoning. Alas JAW does not fit into any of these categories, and would have continued to repeat her unsubstantiated claims for as much patience as we had. Check for yourself; its 20 pages of her repetetive, insubstantial claims.
-Sanitarium |
Hellooo Sani,
The real win is avioding the eternal hellfire...As far as i know, the least criteria is as follows,
1) believe in ONLY one God(doesnt have to be called Allah)
2)do righteous deeds
3)have a belief that you will be questioned by "that" God for all your actions in this life(also hold your oppresors accountable for what they did to you)...
You might not get ultimate rewards but you just may find salvation after a brief punishment of your behaviour at FFI...
Can you atleast do that please!!! |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 16559
Location: middleearth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| mahiwal wrote: |
| Sanitarium wrote: |
| mahiwal wrote: |
| Sanitarium wrote: |
| the debate is closed and you lost; That is all.-Sanitarium |
Congrats on your self proclaimed victory, |
Hello mahiwal,
Self-proclaimed yes; but that point is obvious to anyone who has been following this thread. JAW's entire defence is "its not true!"
I wish to have debated with someone of higher intellect, or someone capable of logic/reasoning. Alas JAW does not fit into any of these categories, and would have continued to repeat her unsubstantiated claims for as much patience as we had. Check for yourself; its 20 pages of her repetetive, insubstantial claims.
-Sanitarium |
Hellooo Sani,
The real win is avioding the eternal hellfire...As far as i know, the least criteria is as follows,
1) believe in ONLY one God(doesnt have to be called Allah)
2)do righteous deeds
3)have a belief that you will be questioned by "that" God for all your actions in this life(also hold your oppresors accountable for what they did to you)...
You might not get ultimate rewards but you just may find salvation after a brief punishment of your behaviour at FFI...
Can you atleast do that please!!! |
What a poor, miserable perspective on God and life!
If I needed any more reason to hate Islam, the spiritual death it means for it´s followers would be it! |
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Sanitarium
Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| mahiwal wrote: |
Hellooo Sani,
The real win is avioding the eternal hellfire...As far as i know, the least criteria is as follows,
1) believe in ONLY one God(doesnt have to be called Allah)
2)do righteous deeds
3)have a belief that you will be questioned by "that" God for all your actions in this life(also hold your oppresors accountable for what they did to you)...
You might not get ultimate rewards but you just may find salvation after a brief punishment of your behaviour at FFI...
Can you atleast do that please!!! |
Hi mahiwal,
The only way you can say that that scenario is a "win" would be to prove:
(a) The existence of a Deity(s)
(b) That this deity is Allah
(c) that the Quran is 100% uncorrupt ( I mean actual evidence)
Then you could pur forth that scenario as a "win".
Regarding your implication that JAW is avoiding this "hellfire"; actually she is an Innovator, and Muhammad does say that those who introduce innovation/changes after him will burn in hell.
So JAW loses either way if she keeps to her errant Islamic innovation.
Thanks
-Sani
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darth
Joined: 03 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| mahiwal wrote: |
Hellooo Sani,
The real win is avioding the eternal hellfire...As far as i know, the least criteria is as follows,
1) believe in ONLY one God(doesnt have to be called Allah)
2)do righteous deeds
3)have a belief that you will be questioned by "that" God for all your actions in this life(also hold your oppresors accountable for what they did to you)...
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A better criteria would be as follows -
1) Not following a man that looted and took women and children as slaves
2) Not following a man that was basically a war monger
3) Not following a manual that calls for killing |
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Agape Love
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 600
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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i voted "Women are Deficient in Intelligence thus Allah is saying they are too inferior to be equal to a man"
that's what i thinks it (the parts u marked in red) means
cheers
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jennifer42
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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Location: on the moon. But what half?
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CONGRATULATIONS  Sani a job well done. I admire your patience. And you deliver you debate well. I am still learning. Ms Westerner always asks Muslims; were you a blood clot? and no one can give a good answer. lol I am a blood clot I am waiting for the seaman, I rang the navy hours ago but no joy. And regards to the debate sun goes round earth or earth goes round sun your all wrong it all revolves around me. Sorry, I am in a funny mood to night. Sani and mswest love reading your post p.s just a womam if females are deficient and err why the fu#k would Allah want a second FEMALE witness?  Or am I just speculating? 
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MsWesterner
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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thanks jennifer....Im off to bed now so enjoy your time online with the "boys".
oh yes, the blood clot really miffs them because even ahmed agreed that he was one "because it says so in the koran" lol. |
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