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Ali Sina
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 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject: KERRY CAMPAIGN FINANCED BY TERRORISTS |
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KERRY CAMPAIGN FINANCED BY TERRORISTS
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T_ID
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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weird, I had never figured Ali Sina to be a Kerrybasher, certainly not on the basis of such weak arguments...
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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John Kerry, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee from 1993 until 2000, must know who the KLA is, but he clearly doesn’t care.
Instead of condemning the KLA, Kerry takes money from them. And instead of distancing itself from the KLA, Kerry's party invites the KLA's leader to come to their convention in Boston.
The United States of America, was brutally attacked by terrorists on 9/11, we are in a life or death struggle against terrorism, and here is John Kerry taking money from terrorists; if there was ever anybody that we needed to keep out of the White House it’s John Kerry. |
I am not sure about the rest of the article., But the above is PLAIN NONSENSE and election Propaganda..
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crazy canuck
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyberite wrote: |
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| weird, I had never figured Ali Sina to be a Kerrybasher, certainly not on the basis of such weak arguments... |
He bashes Kerry all the time. He wants the Bushies to win so they can run the U.S. into bankruptcy. Four more years of this unsustainable policy and the whole world's economy will be in the toilet—just as Osama wanted.
I seem to recall the KLA being supported by the U.S. when that was politically expedient.
No matter what anyone writes, it will not erase the red ink. It will not bring the people who died for NOTHING in Iraq back. It will not give 45 million insurance who don't have it. It will not educate our children. It will not clean up the environment.
It will not compel this INCOMPETENT administration to do better. Osama bin Laden could not have prayed for a better partner than Bush. |
Dear Cyberite,
Ali likes Bush, because he thinks that Bush will libertae Iran as as he did to Iraq. DREAM DREAM DREAMING!!!
Or this FFI is financed by Republican party and is nothing but Bush's puppet. Regards C.C. |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Or this FFI is financed by Republican party and is nothing but Bush's puppet. |
That Is Another Nonsense similar to that article and utter Propaganda..
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maha_swami
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| crazy canuck wrote: |
| Ali likes Bush, because he thinks that Bush will libertae Iran as as he did to Iraq |
it could be the other way too, since he is considered the "CRUSADER" of 21st century.
I support Bush. i just see in my crystal ball"s" his victory, so that he can continue his project "destroy......"
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doubtless
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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For a slightly more balanced view:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57584-2004Oct23.html
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Kerry for President
Sunday, October 24, 2004; Page B06
EXPERTS TELL US that most voters have had no difficulty making up their minds in this year's presidential election. Half the nation is passionately for George W. Bush, the pollsters say, and half passionately for John F. Kerry -- or, at least, passionately against Mr. Bush. We have not been able to share in this passion, nor in the certainty. As readers of this page know, we find much to criticize in Mr. Bush's term but also more than a few things to admire. We find much to admire in Mr. Kerry's life of service, knowledge of the world and positions on a range of issues -- but also some things that give us pause. On balance, though, we believe Mr. Kerry, with his promise of resoluteness tempered by wisdom and open-mindedness, has staked a stronger claim on the nation's trust to lead for the next four years.
The balancing process begins, as reelection campaigns must, with the incumbent. His record, particularly in foreign affairs, can't be judged with a simple aye or nay. President Bush rallied the nation after Sept. 11, 2001, and reshaped his own world view. His commitment to a long-term struggle to promote freedom in the Arab world reflects an understanding of the deep threat posed by radical Islamic fundamentalism. His actions have not always matched his stirring rhetoric on the subject, and setbacks to democracy in other parts of the world (notably Russia) appear not to have troubled him much.
But Mr. Bush has accomplished more than his critics acknowledge, both in the practical business of forming alliances to track terrorists and in beginning to reshape a Middle East policy too long centered on accommodating friendly dictators. He has promised the large increases in foreign aid, to help poor nations cope with AIDS and for other purposes, that we believe are essential.
The campaign that Mr. Bush led to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan seems easy and obvious in retrospect, but at the time many people warned of imminent quagmire. Mr. Bush wasted valuable time with his initial determination to avoid nation-building after Kabul fell and his drawdown of U.S. forces. But even so, Afghanistan today is far from the failure that Mr. Kerry portrays. Afghans and U.S. security alike are better off thanks to the intervention.
In Iraq, we do not fault Mr. Bush for believing, as President Clinton before him believed, that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. We supported the war and believed that the Iraqi dictator posed a challenge that had to be faced; we continue to believe that the U.S. mission to promote a representative government in Iraq has a chance to leave the United States safer and the Iraqis far better off than they were under their murderous dictator.
We do, however, fault Mr. Bush for exaggerating to the public the intelligence given him privately and for alienating allies unnecessarily. Above all, we fault him for ignoring advice to better prepare for postwar reconstruction. The damage caused by that willful indifference is incalculable. There is no guarantee that Iraq would be more peaceful today if U.S. forces had prevented postwar looting, secured arms depots, welcomed international involvement and transferred authority to Iraqis more quickly. But the chances of success would have been higher. Yet the administration repeatedly rebuffed advice to commit sufficient troops. Its disregard for the Geneva Conventions led to a prison-torture scandal in both Iraq and Afghanistan that has diminished for years, if not decades, the United States' image and influence abroad. In much of the world, in fact, U.S. prestige is at a historic low, partly because of the president's high-handed approach to allies on issues ranging far beyond Iraq.
These failings have a common source in Mr. Bush's cocksureness, his failure to seek advice from anyone outside a narrow circle and his unwillingness to expect the unexpected or adapt to new facts. These are dangerous traits in any president but especially in a wartime leader. They are matched by his failure to admit his errors or to hold senior officials accountable for theirs.
ON THE DOMESTIC side, Mr. Bush and his Republican allies in the House have governed as heavy-handed partisans. We applaud Mr. Bush's campaign to promote accountability in elementary and secondary schools, and some of his other ideas may sound attractive as well: a degree of privatization to give people more control over their retirement funds, individual health accounts that might better match the mobile 21st-century world of work, market incentives to reduce pollution. But he has failed to do the hard work to turn such ideas from slogans into fair and balanced programs, and he has never said how he would pay for them, as in the case of Social Security private accounts.
Which brings us to his reckless fiscal policy. Mr. Bush inherited a budget in surplus but facing strains in the long run as retiring baby boomers intensify their claims on the nation's resources for pensions and health care. A recession that was gathering as he took office, and the economic blow delivered by the Sept. 11 attacks, would have turned surplus into deficit under the best of circumstances.
But Mr. Bush aggravated those circum- stances and drove the deficit to record levels with tax cuts that were inefficient in providing economic stimulus and that were tilted toward the wealthy. Despite the drains on the Treasury from the war in Iraq, he insisted that all the cuts be made permanent; no one, no matter how rich, was asked to sacrifice. Mr. Bush's rationales have shifted, but his prescription -- tax cuts -- has remained constant, no matter what the cost to future generations. The resulting fiscal deficit has dragged down the national savings rate, leaving the country dependent upon foreigners for capital in an unsustainable way. Mr. Bush says the answer lies in spending discipline, but he has shown none himself; see, for example, the disgusting farm subsidies he signed into law.
In 2000, Mr. Bush justifiably criticized his predecessor for failing to deal with the looming problems of Social Security and Medicare. In office, though, he has been equally delinquent, even as the day of reckoning drew closer. He championed a huge new entitlement for Medicare without insisting on the cost-cutting reforms that everyone knows are needed.
SO MR. BUSH HAS not earned a second term. But there is a second question: Has the challenger made his case? Here's why we say yes.
Mr. Kerry, like Mr. Bush, offers no plan to cope with retirement and health costs, but he promises more fiscal realism. He sensibly proposes to reverse Mr. Bush's tax cuts on the wealthiest and pledges to scale back his own spending proposals if funds don't suffice. He would seek to restore budget discipline rules that helped get deficits under control in the 1990s.
On many other issues, Mr. Kerry has the better approach. He has a workable plan to provide health insurance to more Americans; the 45 million uninsured represent a shameful abdication that appears not to have concerned Mr. Bush one whit. Where Mr. Bush ignored the dangers of climate change and favored industry at the expense of clean air and water, Mr. Kerry is a longtime and thoughtful champion of environmental protection. Mr. Bush played politics with the Constitution, as Mr. Kerry would not, by endorsing an amendment to ban gay marriage. Mr. Kerry has pledged to follow the Geneva Conventions abroad and respect civil liberties at home. A Kerry judiciary -- and the next president is likely to make a significant mark on the Supreme Court -- would be more hospitable to civil rights, abortion rights and the right to privacy.
None of these issues would bring us to vote for Mr. Kerry if he were less likely than Mr. Bush to keep the nation safe. But we believe the challenger is well equipped to guide the country in a time of danger. Mr. Kerry brings a résumé that unarguably has prepared him for high office. He understood early on the dangers of non-state actors such as al Qaeda. To pave the way for restored relations with Vietnam in the 1990s, he took on the thankless and politically risky task of convincing relatives that no American prisoners remained in Southeast Asia. While he wrongly opposed the first Persian Gulf War, he supported the use of American force in Bosnia and Kosovo.
As with Mr. Bush, some of Mr. Kerry's strengths strike us as potential weaknesses. The senator is far more likely than Mr. Bush to seek a range of opinions before making a decision -- but is he decisive enough? He understands the importance of allies and of burnishing America's image -- but would he be too reluctant to give offense? His Senate record suggests an understanding of the importance of open markets, but during the campaign he has retreated to protectionist rhetoric that is troubling in its own right and as a possible indicator of inconstancy.
We have been dismayed most of all by Mr. Kerry's zigzags on Iraq, such as his swervings on whether Saddam Hussein presented a threat. As Mr. Bush charges, Mr. Kerry's description of the war as a "diversion" does not inspire confidence in his determination to see it through. But Mr. Kerry has repeatedly pledged not to cut and run from Iraq, and we believe a Kerry administration would be better able to tackle the formidable nation-building tasks that remain there. Mr. Kerry echoes the Bush goals of an elected Iraqi government and a well-trained Iraqi force to defend it but argues that he could implement the strategy more effectively.
Mr. Kerry understands that the biggest threat to U.S. security comes from terrorists wielding nuclear or biological weapons. He pledges to add two divisions to the U.S. Army; try harder to secure nuclear weapons and materials around the world, and improve U.S. preparations for a bioterrorism attack. There is no way to know whether he would be more successful than Mr. Bush in slowing North Korea's and Iran's march toward becoming nuclear-armed states, but he attaches the right priority to both problems. He is correct that those challenges, like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, call for the kind of sustained diplomacy that has been missing for four years. We hope he would be firmer than Mr. Bush in standing up to the genocide unfolding in Sudan.
We do not view a vote for Mr. Kerry as a vote without risks. But the risks on the other side are well known, and the strengths Mr. Kerry brings are considerable. He pledges both to fight in Iraq and to reach out to allies; to hunt down terrorists, and to engage without arrogance the Islamic world. These are the right goals, and we think Mr. Kerry is the better bet to achieve them. |
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piggy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| T_ID wrote: |
| weird, I had never figured Ali Sina to be a Kerrybasher, certainly not on the basis of such weak arguments... |
The author of the article = Andy Wilcoxson.
The author provides a list of documents and other sources for reference.
What bashing?
Is it wrong to report this information?
What weak argument?
There is good reason for concern, quoting from the article:
Kerry Campaign Financed by Terrorists............................
John Kerry and the KLA
The leader of the KLA is a man named Hashim Thaci. Thaci, who goes under the nom de guerre "Snake," attended the Democratic Party’s convention in Boston earlier this year.
Upon returning from the convention, Thaci told the Albanian-Language KosovaLive agency, "It was a very successful visit at the Democratic Convention, where the PDK [Thachi's political party] had been invited as a guest. It was confirmed once again that the Democratic authorities would recognize and respect the will of the people of Kosova for self-determination" [18]
In addition to the KLA leader's attendance at the Democratic Convention was the presence of KLA members at a John Kerry fundraiser in New York.
In September, the Dutch Television station VPRO produced a documentary entitled "De Brooklyn Connectie." This documentary follows a KLA terrorist named Florin Kraniqi as he attends a John Kerry fundraiser, and then smuggles weapons into Kosovo for a war that is being planned against American and other UN Peacekeepers there.
The video can be downloaded from the VPRO website at:
http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/18793157
Kraniqi lives in Brooklyn, where he allegedly works as a roofer; although his big house, his shiny new car, and his swimming pool, suggest that he makes money in other ways.
The first few minutes of the video consist of Kraniqi praising the KLA and accusing the Serbs.
At the 11:08 mark of the video, he goes to a John Kerry fundraiser together with a group of KLA members. They are shown writing checks to the Kerry campaign for thousands of dollars each.
While at the fundraiser, they openly identify themselves as the KLA. Kraniqi is seen introducing himself and his brothers-in-arms to Wesley Clark (Commander of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and former Democratic presidential candidate). Kraniqi says, "Mr. Clark. This is your group, your KLA." Clark then praises the group saying, "They fought against tremendous odds."
Then, Richard Holbrooke (Kerry's Sr. Foreign Policy Adviser), who apparently knows one of the terrorists, comes over and jokingly says, "He almost got me killed." To which Kraniqi quips, "He would not let his Kalashnikov go. He will keep his Kalashnikov." Then Holbrooke, Clark, and this group of KLA terrorists all have a good laugh.
It is rather disturbing to see these high officials in the Democratic Party having such a relaxed and friendly exchange with a group of terrorists, eventhough they have just given thousands of dollars to John Kerry’s campaign." |
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Ali Sina
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Unbalanced?
Is this also unbalanced?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/PaulJohnson41025.htm
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piggy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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An extract from this article:
"I cannot recall any election when the enemies of America all over the world have been so unanimous in hoping for the victory of one candidate. That is the overwhelming reason that John Kerry must be defeated, heavily and comprehensively." |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Kerry's problem is not the money from terrorists and Not the propaganda of republicans., But he simply is not an effective communicator. He is worse than Bush, His running mate Edward is far more effective than Mr. Kerry...
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Yohan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Our Ali Sina has gotten caught up in the American elections, got the election fever and has gotten disoriented!
If one watches the movie 'Fahrenheit 11', one gets the message that it is Bush who gets the support of the Muslim Saudi royal terrorists. Now Kerry also gets the support of the terrorists! Man, it seems it doesn't matter who loses, the terrorist wins!!
If Bush is so good in fighting terrorism, why can't he get Osama? He had three years to catch Osama. Completely lost in the woods after 9/11, Bush started imagining that terrorists are hiding in Iraq with WMD and invaded that country! Now he is mired in Iraq and Osama continues to push mud into his nose.
Seriously, what is at stake here is the American economy. Without an economically strong America, it can't effectively fight terrorism. See what Bush has done in the last few years, he has gotten the rich a lot richer and the middle class and the poor poorer. Bush is the first president since Hoover (who started the great depression) to have a net loss of jobs, some 2Million. America spends 15% of its GDP on Medical care but 15% of its population is not insured. 5Million people were added to the uninsured during Bush's term. And the list goes on -----. |
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yohan wrote: |
| Our Ali Sina has gotten caught up in the American elections, got the election fever and has gotten disoriented! |
The same thing can be said of those who posted to refute him, including you.
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Dan-Cannon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| weird, I had never figured Ali Sina to be a Kerrybasher, certainly not on the basis of such weak arguments... |
Why not?
You are a Bush-basher with even weaker arguments.
Every time you make a post you get caught with your pants down.
Case in point, again you make a post making nothing but a vacuous statement, instead of simply PROVING to everybody here why the arguments in the article are weak.
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Dan-Cannon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Or this FFI is financed by Republican party and is nothing but Bush's puppet. Regards C.C. |
Replace Republican Party with Jews and Bush with Zionist and see how similar you are with muslim conspiracy theorists.
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