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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Ali Sina the ignorant of Arabic languange Reply with quote

He has Hadith about Muhamed saying that I was victorious with terror.As Ali Sina himself is Arabic ignorant he misunderstood it and thought Muhamed claimed to be terrorist. As I will explain the meaningof the word you will see that your mentor is nothing , but an ignorant man hired by CIA to fight Islam.

This is why I have been saying all the long that you have to study and read Islam in Arabic in order to understand it . Ali Sina was refering to the hadith where you have the word terror. well in Arabic the word Ro3b simply means fear and not terrorism . the arabic word of terrorism is Irhab .The word terror in English 600 years ago did not have the meaning that we have today it only meant fear like the word gay 600 years ago did not mean homosexual.so we have to understand the word ro3b in the hadith the way it was understood back then and not the way how it is understood today. furthermore even today the word ro3b is not used in modern Arabic to describe terrorism the word irhab is used in stead. I do not care what you have in English because Muhamed did not speak that language. What Muhamed meant by Ro3b or fear that he demorolized his enemy combattant and defeated them long before they meet his men on the battle field because God instill or cast fear in their hearts and made them coward and easy to be defeated by Muslims. so Muhamed was talking about spycological war fare and not terrorism campaign . If somebody reads an ancient text written 600 years ago that renaissance poet Edmund Spenser was gay it does not mean that he was homesexual it only meant that he was joyful and happy person . And if you want to translate it to another language you have to be careful not to translate the word gay as homosexual beacause back then it did not have that meaning .

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The primary meaning of the word gay has changed dramatically during the 20th century—though the change evolved from earlier usages. It derives via the Old French gai, probably from a Germanic source.[2] The word originally meant "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy" and was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature


Here is a verse in Koran which describe how God help

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ali Sina the ignorant of Arabic languange Reply with quote

Berber wrote:
He has Hadith about Muhamed saying that I was victorious with terror.As Ali Sina himself is Arabic ignorant he misunderstood it and thought Muhamed claimed to be terrorist. As I will explain the meaningof the word you will see that your mentor is nothing , but an ignorant man hired by CIA to fight Islam.

This is why I have been saying all the long that you have to study and read Islam in Arabic in order to understand it . Ali Sina was refering to the hadith where you have the word terror. well in Arabic the word Ro3b simply means fear and not terrorism . the arabic word of terrorism is Irhab .The word terror in English 600 years ago did not have the meaning that we have today it only meant fear like the word gay 600 years ago did not mean homosexual.so we have to understand the word ro3b in the hadith the way it was understood back then and not the way how it is understood today. furthermore even today the word ro3b is not used in modern Arabic to describe terrorism the word irhab is used in stead. I do not care what you have in English because Muhamed did not speak that language. What Muhamed meant by Ro3b or fear that he demorolized his enemy combattant and defeated them long before they meet his men on the battle field because God instill or cast fear in their hearts and made them coward and easy to be defeated by Muslims. so Muhamed was talking about spycological war fare and not terrorism campaign . If somebody reads an ancient text written 600 years ago that renaissance poet Edmund Spenser was gay it does not mean that he was homesexual it only meant that he was joyful and happy person . And if you want to translate it to another language you have to be careful not to translate the word gay as homosexual beacause back then it did not have that meaning .

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The primary meaning of the word gay has changed dramatically during the 20th century—though the change evolved from earlier usages. It derives via the Old French gai, probably from a Germanic source.[2] The word originally meant "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy" and was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature


Here is a verse in Koran which describe how God help

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


Berber, I'm going to make you the poster boy for everything that is stupid about Islam.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always_Faithful wrote:
I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.


then Bush is terrosrist and all USA president are and alexander the great , Napoleon , George whashinton , Stalin , Hitler the zionits in Palestine and every single leader and military commander in history was terrorist. I do not know where they did you get the definition of the word. Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berber wrote:
Always_Faithful wrote:
I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.


then Bush is terrosrist and all USA president are and alexander the great , Napoleon , George whashinton , Stalin , Hitler the zionits in Palestine and every single leader and military commander in history was terrorist. I do not know where they did you get the definition of the word. Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot


all mohammedans look like enemy combatants of the civilised world. did
u everthink why ?YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rex wrote:
Berber wrote:
Always_Faithful wrote:
I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.


then Bush is terrosrist and all USA president are and alexander the great , Napoleon , George whashinton , Stalin , Hitler the zionits in Palestine and every single leader and military commander in history was terrorist. I do not know where they did you get the definition of the word. Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot


all mohammedans look like enemy combatants of the civilised world. did
u everthink why ?YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.


I do not see what is your point here. Do you know the rule of engagement in Islam ?????

The Prophet Prohibited the Killing of Women and Children

There are so much hadith where the Prophet condemned the killing of innocent women and children during time of war that it is impossible to deny them.



Saheeh Bukhari

Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.



Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.

Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.



Saheeh Muslim

Book 019, Hadith Number 4319.

Chapter : Prohibition of killing women and children in war.

It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.





Book 019, Hadith Number 4320.

Chapter : Prohibition of killing women and children in war.

It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.




Sunan Abu Dawood

Book 008, Hadith Number 2663.
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Chapter : Not known.

Narated By Rabah ibn Rabi' : When we were with the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) on an expedition, he saw some people collected together over something and sent a man and said: See, what are these people collected around? He then came and said: They are round a woman who has been killed. He said: This is not one with whom fighting should have taken place. Khalid ibn al-Walid was in charge of the van; so he sent a man and said: Tell Khalid not to kill a woman or a hired servant.



Maliks Muwatta

Book 021, Hadith Number 008.

Section : Prohibition against Killing Women and Children in Military Expeditions.



Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that a son of Kab ibn Malik (Malik believed that ibn Shihab said it was Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab) said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade those who fought ibn Abi Huqayq (a treacherous jew from Madina) to kill women and children. He said that one of the men fighting had said, 'The wife of ibn Abi Huqayq began screaming and I repeatedly raised my sword against her. Then I would remember the prohibition of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so I would stop. Had it not been for that, we would have been rid of her.'"



Book 021, Hadith Number 009.

Section : Prohibition against Killing Women and Children in Military Expeditions.



Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.





Book 021, Hadith Number 010.

Section : Prohibition against Killing Women and Children in Military Expeditions.


Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Abu Bakr as-Siddiq was sending armies to ash-Sham. He went for a walk with Yazid ibn Abi Sufyan who was the commander of one of the battalions. It is claimed that Yazid said to Abu Bakr, "Will you ride or shall I get down?" Abu Bakrsaid, "I will not ride and you will not get down. I intend these steps of mine to be in the way of Allah."

Then Abu Bakr advised Yazid, "You will find a people who claim to have totally given themselves to Allah. Leave them to what they claim to have given themselves. You will find a people who have shaved the middle of their heads, strike what they have shaved with the sword.

"I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."



The Prophet made some exceptions to the Killing of Women and Children



Saheeh Bukhari

Volumn 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.

Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."



Saheeh Muslim

Book 019, Hadith Number 4321.

Chapter : Permissibility of killing women and children in the night raids, provided it is not deliberate.

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.



There are many possible meanings for these Hadith. I was kind of surprised when I read it at first. But we don’t know the EXACT situation or what the Prophet truly meant. Maybe, maybe THOSE particular women and children were planning to fight against the Muslims with the enemy.

Maybe the Muslim army just could not have blown this chance to attack the enemy that they still had to attack them no matter at what cost in order to stop the risk of more blood shed (do a little bad for the greater good).

The very fact that the companions of the Prophet asked the Prophet's permission shows that the Prophet used to be strict regarding his prohibition on the killing of women and children. However, when a situation arises and there is no choice, things could get ugly. The Prophet even forbade the cutting down of palm trees in war, however during the siege of Banu Nadir the Prophet had to make an exception. So exceptions do arise unfortunately.

Imam Ibn Hajar Al Asaqalani says in Fath Al- Baari that the point is not to target the women and children intentionally but if there is absolutely no other way to kill the enemy than by injuring the women and children because they are mixed with the men then there is no other choice. (Source: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=4747)

Another possibility is that the hadith has been abrogated and that even if women and children accompany the enemy during war then they still should not be killed. (See http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=4747 for the evidence)

Imam Nawawi says in his tafseer of Saheeh Muslim that women and children are only killed only if they cannot be distinguished. But because it was so dark and they could not be distinguished, the Muslims had not choice. (Source: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&Rec=4215)

The tafseer of Abu Dawud says the same thing here (Source: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=4&Rec=3291)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Berber, keeping women and children alive for slavery and rape was no mercy for them. They were kept alive for the benefit of islamic war machine.

My friend, would your loved ones prefer this kind of life over death?

Please think about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Berber

Women and children had sexual and slave value for the muslims. They were no use dead and so Muhammad did not want them killed. It was for the muslims` benefit not the women and children.

Narrated As-Sab bin Jathama : the prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack Al-Mushrikun warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The prophet replied, “They (i.e., women and children) are from them (i.e., Al-Mushrikun).” (The book of Jihad #3012, p157

The above hadith just about sums up Muhammad`s indifferent attitude towards women and children during battle. Was he concerned about their safety? I think not.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mughal wrote:
Dear Berber, keeping women and children alive for slavery and rape was no mercy for them. They were kept alive for the benefit of islamic war machine.

My friend, would your loved ones prefer this kind of life over death?

Please think about it.

regards and


Dear Mughal,

If he could think, would he be a muhammedan?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ali Sina, hector, ygalg, sum and I are ignorant in Arabic yet you are right ?
We have proved you wrong more then once, yet you claim victory.
My feelings turned from frustration into sadness. Its truly sad to see people drowning in their ignorance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Berber wrote:
Always_Faithful wrote:
I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.


then Bush is terrosrist and all USA president are and alexander the great , Napoleon , George whashinton , Stalin , Hitler the zionits in Palestine and every single leader and military commander in history was terrorist. I do not know where they did you get the definition of the word. Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot


So you accept the muhammad was a terrorist.

But none of them claimed to be a prophet except muhammad.

Can you see the difference?
How can a terrorist be a prophet?
Yeah, it is only possible with islam and that is why almost all terrorist are followers of the great terrorist of all times "THE MUHAMMAD".
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angel wrote:
Ali Sina, hector, ygalg, sum and I are ignorant in Arabic yet you are right ?
We have proved you wrong more then once, yet you claim victory.
My feelings turned from frustration into sadness. Its truly sad to see people drowning in their ignorance.


wrong about what
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infidel_01 wrote:
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Berber wrote:
Always_Faithful wrote:
I don't see your point.

Definition of Terrorism wrote:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Mohammed's actions fit the above. He was therefore a terrorist.


then Bush is terrosrist and all USA president are and alexander the great , Napoleon , George whashinton , Stalin , Hitler the zionits in Palestine and every single leader and military commander in history was terrorist. I do not know where they did you get the definition of the word. Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot


So you accept the muhammad was a terrorist.

But none of them claimed to be a prophet except muhammad.

Can you see the difference?
How can a terrorist be a prophet?
Yeah, it is only possible with islam and that is why almost all terrorist are followers of the great terrorist of all times "THE MUHAMMAD".


no idiot if we accept his defintion which I do not even Dictionaries do not either then all historical figure were terrorist . Think before you open your filthy mouth idiot
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berber,

You are wrong and Ali Sina is right!

The word Ro3b in Arabic has an identical meaning to the word Rahba, both mean profound fear. Terror is the act that causes profound fear, Rahaa or Ro3b, in Arabic it is Irhab(from rahba, or Ir3ab from Ro3b).

However, the word Ir3ab does not sound well, and Arabs would prefer to use yusabeb al ro3b ie two words. Besides it is difficult to pronounce by non-Arabs, because of the letter3. Remember, it was the Israeli’s who first used the Arabic word Irhab (terror) so they used the easier word.

Allah used the word Irhab multiple times to ask Muslims to terrorise their enemies.
As to Mohammed, he used to launch his raids at dawn and set fire to the places he raids. Of course women and children are far more useful as alive slaves than dead.

It seems to me you are not an Arab, because you do not know there is an increasing number of intellectual Arabs who carefully read the Quran and hadiths and come to the inevitable conclusion that it is all nonsense.

The Islamic nonsense hides behind a language shield, it uses the Arabic language to intimidate non Arabs.
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Berber wrote:Terrosrism is killing of civilians and not killing enemy combattant the idiot

Infidel wrote:
So you accept the muhammad was a terrorist.

But none of them claimed to be a prophet except muhammad.

Can you see the difference?
How can a terrorist be a prophet?
Yeah, it is only possible with islam and that is why almost all terrorist are followers of the great terrorist of all times "THE MUHAMMAD".

Berber wrote:
no idiot if we accept his defintion which I do not even Dictionaries do not either then all historical figure were terrorist . Think before you open your filthy mouth idiot


Muhammad killed civilians in Banu Qureza and hence by your own definition "Muhammad was a terrorist". Got it.
And therefore a terrorist can not be a prophet. simple.


PS: Don't use foul language as I haven't, please.
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