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[abdullahnoor]

Readers, while we await Layla’s thoughts, allow me to say a some words.

Whenever any apostle of Allah brings a message, there will be those who go against him. It happened to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

Jesus had a tough time when the Jews did not listen to him. You think he had a cakewalk? Muhammad too had a tough time for 13 years, before the group that listened to him, became a significant size.

Today, whenever anyone brings this same message, again, there will be those who oppose. This is the destiny Allah has given, for those who intend to tell the truth - and those who seek the truth.

Have not you readers noticed that, in this thread?

A message is intended to help LilyLayla achieve happiness is now interrupted by haters. Within the message is the message of the Creator, that if you wish to have permanent happiness, you must abandon the materials outside.

Muslim scholars acknowledge that Muhammad and Jesus were messengers of God. Some even opine that Gautama probably was one too. Hence the similarity in the message of inner peace. But then again, we have haters here who try to detract and mislead, like the Jews against Jesus, and the Quraish against Muhammad.

On anger. The main point is that anger if uncontrolled, is bad. And anger harboured over the long term, is worse than anger “at the heat of the moment”. A certain hater has tried to mislead that anger in any form in itself, is bad.

Uncontrolled anger and anger that is haboured in the heart, is not good. That is one extreme end. The other extreme end is “indifference” where if one is expected to show anger, he instead shows none. A good example of this is the indifferent attitude many people have, when there are innocents killed in wars in far away lands, yet they are indifferent to it, even to the point of supporting it, like some Americans supporting Tyrant Bush’s plan to pillage and usurp homes of the innocent.

On wealth. The main point is that if you see wealth as a source of permanent happiness, you won’t find it. The same hater who misleads on the topic of anger, tries to imply that all wealth is bad. Truth is that you need some material wealth for the purpose of sustenance. Because if you cannot even sustain yourself, then someone else will sustain you – according to his terms. When that happens, the party that is non-self sustained, will be oppressed.

A good example is the story of Joseph in the Bible. When he was the minister in Egypt, Egyptians treated the Jews well. Generations after his death, the Jews became less self-sufficient and depended on the Egyptians. The Jews were eventually oppressed. So from this, we can see why the Muslims under Muhammad, had to build a stockpile of wealth, so that the enemy did not have the upper hand.

So fear not these detractors who try to mislead truth seekers and heckle truth tellers. Jesus faced them. Muhammad faced them. You will face them too, if you seek the truth, or if you share the truth.
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Have you noticed that while stories of converts to Islam are always about love, compassion and enlightenment - stories of apostates from Islam on the other hand, are always about hate, bile and vengeance?

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Lily

Thank you for your input. But if you look carefully, what you have described, is the “grass is greener on the other side” syndrome, isn’t it?

“Freedom” is relative! A bird in a cage thinks it is not free, when it sees another bird flying in the air. But the bird in the air does not see freedom either, because it sees that the bird in the cage is cared for with food and comfort and is safe from predators!

What makes you so sure, you won’t face marital problems outside Saudi? What makes you so sure, your husband will love you till eternity, like Cinderella, in the West? You mean to say that divorces don’t happen there?

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My compliments Abdullanoor, you are being quite uncharacteristicaly civil in this thread. In most of your past posts, I can only read of few lines of what you write before I get too irritated to continue because of the rude language and mocking, sexist, attitude. Now you're acting like a budhist monk who prays everyday, all day, and never has anything to do with the world outside his cell. That's okay. It may be misleading, but it is an improvement.

As for birds liking to be caged so they can be fed and cared for, I've had birds before. They don't like to be caged. They'd rather fly around in the house or garden or both and come back in only to eat and sleep.

People, in general, don't like to be caged either. Most of us like to be free to make our own decisions about how to lead our lives and feel helpless and frustrated when someone takes that choice away. Only very insecure and mentally weak people LIKE to have their freedoms taken away in return for care, feeding, and the loss of personal responsibility. If you are one of those, then I wish you happiness in it, but do grant that most of us want freedom and are willing to pay for it by taking care of ourselves and being responsible for our own action without it being deferred to someone else. Instead of being a burden to society, we'd rather be productive members, expressing ourselves as our natural inclinations lead us and doing what we like to do in the bargain.

Speaking of "freedom of the mind:" As a muslimah, I too was once kept under lock and key and didn't much like the experience. In despair and frustration, I accidentally learned the trick of projecting my spirit out of my body. The feeling of doing so is one of great freedom. The wind blows right through you. Extremes of hot and cold are just interesting feelings - never uncomfortable, often ecstatic. You can see in 360 degrees since you are not confined only to the parameters of physical eyes. You can pass through physical objects, feeling only a tingle in the passing. Yet I went no further from my prison/house than to where I could see the entire city and desert below. Why? because I knew that being outside of my body meant being cut off from anything I might accomplish in the physical world. And why is that important? Because we learn in the physical, change things, and add to our experiences and contacts with other souls. Being non-physical is like being dead and between lives; you can look, but you can't touch, nor affect much and I'd much rather be dynamic while I have the life to do it. Why waste the gift?

Yet I suspect you won't understand any of this. You seem to have little concept of freedom and the responsibilities that go with it.
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