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Ali Sina
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WesternCanuck
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This is absolutely wonderful.....I pray this German Chap stays safe and doesn't back down from his pertinent remarks on Islam!!
This is exactly what so many of us here and all Ex Muslims have been saying for centuries.......
Also, you gotta love the Orwellian defense of Muhammed where the Muslim chap at the end refers to Muhammed as 'The pioneer of peace'..............that is so appalling and an affront to the hundreds of millions of victims of Islam's messenger!! |
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Humanist
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:00 am Post subject: Re: A Professor from Germany who spoke the truth |
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Why do civilized nations even have diplomatic relations with countries like this?
Why have a discussion group and not let someone have his say?
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gupsfu
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I have to wonder, why does Prof. Kippenberg, as a Westerner, know so much about the reality of Islam, yet he seems to be so ignorant to have put himself in such grave danger?
I also find the following quote extremely funny:
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| Professor Syed Belayet Hossain said, "The German Professor Hans's speech is unpardonable as he made taunting and derogatory remarks about the peaceful religion Islam and pioneer of peace Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)". Professor Hossain declared, "Because of Hans speech, if the coalition government does not punish him exemplarily, then the devotee people would surround the German embassy" |
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doubtless
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I have to wonder, why does Prof. Kippenberg, as a Westerner, know so much about the reality of Islam, yet he seems to be so ignorant to have put himself in such grave danger?
I also find the following quote extremely funny:
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| Professor Syed Belayet Hossain said, "The German Professor Hans's speech is unpardonable as he made taunting and derogatory remarks about the peaceful religion Islam and pioneer of peace Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)". Professor Hossain declared, "Because of Hans speech, if the coalition government does not punish him exemplarily, then the devotee people would surround the German embassy" |
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The difference lies in certain people deciding that speaking the truth is better than personal safety. I doubt he is ignorant of the the danger he places himself. More and More people will speak against Islam in public . The cover of respectability that islam enjoys because of the lie that it is a religion needs to be removed. Good for the Herr Dokter!.
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| The difference lies in certain people deciding that speaking the truth is better than personal safety. I doubt he is ignorant of the the danger he places himself. More and More people will speak against Islam in public . The cover of respectability that islam enjoys because of the lie that it is a religion needs to be removed. Good for the Herr Dokter!. |
I do not doubt that there are such people, but was it worth risking his life to deliver one speech? If the profeesor was dedicated to expose the truth about Islam, he could do a lot more by staying alive to find other ways to spread his words.
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jonny2mad
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well if he gets killed, his speech could have more impact than lots of other speeches , you cant tell .
and really he could die of a illness or get run over by a bus
hes right and he said what he thought, well done  |
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gupsfu
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That would be very similar to the idea of martyrdom.
Of course I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
I wish him well, and I wish what he did would inspire others.
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| We need more scientists like this one to have the courage to openly speak out against Islam. |
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raf
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Wonderful! What this guy did was right, he spoke the truth and showed courage. The only thing is that I haven't seen the mainstream media covering this. So, his words might just be thrown to the wind and have no effect at all, except to piss off a couple of Islamist nutcases. There are still too few people speaking out about the truth behind Islam, there’s still too much political correctness, and the media don’t dare to cover such stories. They rather print the usual blah-blah about Islam being a religion of peace. There’s so much talk about Islam these days, but I have never ever seen anything about the true history of how Islam developed and about who Mohamed really was.
I wish Prof. Kippenberg all the best. Thank you for your courage! |
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| The only thing is that I haven't seen the mainstream media covering this. So, his words might just be thrown to the wind and have no effect at all, except to piss off a couple of Islamist nutcases. |
All these little bits count. It's called the Butterfly Effect - a theory claiming that a tiny flutter of a butterfly-wing can create a chain of events that leads to a storm in another place on the planet. 8-)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| gupsfu wrote: |
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| The difference lies in certain people deciding that speaking the truth is better than personal safety. I doubt he is ignorant of the the danger he places himself. More and More people will speak against Islam in public . The cover of respectability that islam enjoys because of the lie that it is a religion needs to be removed. Good for the Herr Dokter!. |
I do not doubt that there are such people, but was it worth risking his life to deliver one speech? If the profeesor was dedicated to expose the truth about Islam, he could do a lot more by staying alive to find other ways to spread his words. |
I suspect that a lot of westerners know about Islam. There is a need for people to stand up and speak in public. He might not have gotten exposure but he is leading the way of telling the muslim that Islam is not a religion. They need to hear it. They need to hear it from all sorts of people. All ehy have been getting to date are people like Esposito and Armstrong!
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aelius valerius
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It would be nice if we could get a copy of his speech and post it on FFI.
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Hume
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: A Professor from Germany who spoke the truth |
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Actually, looking at his name and CV, I think this guy is dutch not german :P
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Wonderful! What this guy did was right, he spoke the truth and showed courage. The only thing is that I haven't seen the mainstream media covering this. So, his words might just be thrown to the wind and have no effect at all, except to piss off a couple of Islamist nutcases. There are still too few people speaking out about the truth behind Islam, there’s still too much political correctness, and the media don’t dare to cover such stories. They rather print the usual blah-blah about Islam being a religion of peace. There’s so much talk about Islam these days, but I have never ever seen anything about the true history of how Islam developed and about who Mohamed really was.
I wish Prof. Kippenberg all the best. Thank you for your courage! |
The main stream media is too PC to give it coverage. But the threat to take action against the German mission if actually done could shead some light on these Islamic scum. Basically the Islamist said that if you say something about our religion that we don't like we will shut down your embassy.
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