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The Cat



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again, ixolite. Your working over allowed mine and the result is now displayed in:

Islam 101: A Lexicon For Dummies.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34806

Comments, suggestions, corrections, additions (whatever) are to be done in this thread and not over there as it's not halal to do so in the Resource Center Main. After a while and due discussions, the thread will be updated. Right now my head is spinning from that much work.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello The Cat
Hello the Cat

Another -

Fitnah

4- Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]

Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&QR=22899

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello The Cat

Another -

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_ukl.htm

'Wage war' mentioned here means, OPPOSE AND CONTRADICT, and it includes DISBELIEF, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Volume 3, p. 161; online edition;

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello The Cat

Another definition for you -

Unjust
`Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, "The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, `There is no God worthy of worship except Allah'.''

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sum. Nothing like a collective work... Building up such a Lexicon is quite a task and ex-Muslims could be of much help. Don't be shy, folks, to give it a hand... I am working on it now, added many topics, as my notebooks become very helpful. At the end, the whole thing should be impressive or so I hope.

Btw Sum, you can erase you posts in the other thread by clicking on the X upper right of your last one. Then an X will appear on your second and then on your first.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello The Cat

A bit more for you -

Ghazi=mujahid who has taken part in jihad=armed struggle for the way of Allah and has survived the battle.

The opposite is SHAHEED=martyr, the one who takes part in jihad and is killed.

Ghazwa= battle in which Muhammad himself took part.

Sariya= a battle in time of Muhammad in which Muhammad himself did not take part other than sending a party of mujahids=muslim fighters on the way to the battle or for the battle.


Thanks for the tip for deleting deleted posts!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello ixolite

Many apologies for not acknowledging your post earlier in the thread - it was very remiss of me.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello The Cat

I would like to respectfully suggest that when the Lexicon is in its final stages it is written in a more formal way rather than a derisive or mocking manner. Admittedly, there is only a hint of the latter so far but I feel that a reference work would be better presented in a neutral and formal way. I also think that it would command more respect.

Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sum wrote:
Hello The Cat

I would like to respectfully suggest that when the Lexicon is in its final stages it is written in a more formal way rather than a derisive or mocking manner. Admittedly, there is only a hint of the latter so far but I feel that a reference work would be better presented in a neutral and formal way. I also think that it would command more respect.

Just a thought.

sum

I understand your point of view but first, the original site provided by ixolite was written in such satirical way, which I only kept going in the same mood, though adding many serious topics therein. Second, I don't believe in formal or neutral way when dealing with Islamic bullies and certainly don't look forward about being eulogized or even respected by them. I don't believe in arguing with Berlin Walled people and a mahiwal (for example), mainly happy to be the center of whatever attention, is of no interest to me. Third, the derision mode is more suitable, I think, with the general commitment of FFI and of its members. And forth, not only skilled derision is better eyes opener... It's much less annoying than a formal one. That is of course for us kafirs, still able to laugh at ourselves without panicing about parodies and cartoons. Did you ever check an electoral campaign in the States? Outttcchhhh! That is truly ferocious...

The Lexicon is not aimed at Muslims but us Kafirs, dummies as far as Islam is concerned.

Happy New Year.

Ps. Don't worry if you don't see your things yet in the thread, which I had to divide in two posts because of its size (I was starting to lose data) from all the things I brought.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doubtless wrote:
sum wrote:
Hello doubting_thomas

Did the editors of the news site get my suggestion from this particular thread or from previous suggestions that I had made? I really do believe that this is a most important subject and merits full support. The definitions should not be fragmented and dispersed but all kept together for reference and easy access.

I am certain that war of words will come about and with these references to hand all "Islamspeak" can be countered with full explanation of the terms and at the same time the highlight Islamic deviousness to which muslims subject non-muslims.

sum


Sum,
I think you may be THE person to take a lead on this and assemble the terms and the muslim speak.

Here is a link:
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Islamic_Terms

I hope you can find the time and the interest.


I have added a lot of definitions in that wiki. I hope it helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In one of his famous 'Yogism' Yogi Berra said: ''It's not over 'til it's over.'' Well, although such a work will -always- be subject to additions, corrections, etc (like i'll soon add something about Islamic heaven, hell and the Houris), I can say that the bulk of the Lexicon is now completed. Still any helping hand to it will be appreciated. Thanks...

FFI editors should feel free to pick whatever suit them for wiki without further notice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello The Cat

I think that there should be two lists at least. There should be a short list of words that muslims use to deceive non-muslims. These words are used both in the media and FFI and include Peace, Injustice, Unjust, Oppression, Innocent, Corruption, Waging war (against Allah), Piety and Mischief in the land.

There should be a separate section for this type of Taqqiya - using words that will deceive non-muslims. They have meanings that mean one thing to a muslim and another to a non-muslim. I strongly believe that this short list should be the first list and the heading stressing the reason for this separate list.

If these words are just incorporated into the general list they will be overlooked. There would be little reason for non-muslims to look up the definition of these words as they will assume that they know what they mean. That is why the muslims use these words with double meanings.

Although the much larger general list is important I maintain that the short list is head and shoulders more important as it goes to the very heart of Islamic deception.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sum.
I go for that. Those deceptive words used by Muslims for Taqqiya purpose maybe should be the ones kept by FFI editors for wiki. That is up to them. They have my full permission to do so.

These pics brought tears to my eyes. One year after the London blast, a March for 'Peace'(?) held in
London last 5 August 2006. All these good folks are led astray, by Islamists Taqqiya, manifesting
against their very liberty without knowing it. So, much is still to be done that they get informed.


Few years ago, I was just like them: believing the Palestinians to be oppressed.


I've changed. Most of them will. Aren't we working so it doesn't come too late...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: A word left out Reply with quote

One word was left out

Charity: When committed by a Muslim: An act whereby a muslim beheads cruely an innocent unbeliever to celebrate a treasured Islamic holiday. Children are especially welcomed for the starring role as sacrifice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Islamic Definitions Reply with quote

sum wrote:
I think that it is very important to have a list of words commonly used by muslims and their true Islamic meaning made clear. The article -

Fitnah and "Spreading Mischief"
Author: Ibn Iblis on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 01:02 AM

was interesting but only mentoned two words/phrases. Abul Kasem wrote an article on "Oppression" - www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasem51205.htm

Is there anyone willing and able to create a list of words with their Islamic meaning?

JihadJedi is always using "Islamspeak" words such as "peace", "oppression", "injustice" and "corruption".

If there is to be a war of words and media exposure of Islam, it is vital to have all the definitions ready for a counter attack so that the general population is aware of the deception that Islam is perpetrating.

Even if someone has a single definition, please post it so that we can collate everything as it is posted. The definitions should be there for everyone to see and to which they can refer.

sum


sum, look here Islamic Dictionary
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