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Aminah



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: To the Author... Reply with quote

Assalamu Alaikum...

I have to admit, I came across this site today and was shocked. However, you have presented information to the public, and it is our choice whether we reject it or embrace it. Therefore what you, as a disbeliever is doing, is tolerable.

To comment on your style of presenting the information you have chosen to provide, it is neither intelligent nor inspiring. However, after reading a few articles on this site, I was keen to learn more and I am still researching now on the topics raised.

Regarding passages in the Quran, again you have inspired me to pick up the quran and read which, as a muslim, is a good thing that you have done for me, thankyou and may Allah have mercy on your soul. To put a single passage from the Quran without an explanation about the passage is to take it out of context. For example, if I take the words 'forgive us our tresspasses' out of the Christian prayer, without adding the next sentance 'as we forgive those who tresspass against us' then the first sentance alone would implie that christians can commit countless sins without any quarms.

I have read your article about pederasty (something I didnt know about until I saw your site so once again thankyou) and the translaton of the Quran that you have provided is not only taken out of context, but the words have been exagerrated negatively with implications of young boys 'servicing' older men. If you have a dirty mind, you will inevitably see dirty things, or manipulate words and hear them as dirty; e.g the word dirty can mean Christina Aguilera 'Dirty' (the song) or dirty as in needs cleaning; rather like you mind!.

The History of the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon Him, is also misinformed and reduced to schoolground name-calling rather than historical fact and evidence.

Islam is beautiful, not specified to one race, colour, intellect, or time.
Islam is also the truth.
There are many lessons on manners, conduct, and civility towards one another.
It is sad that we feel a need to justify ourselves as I have tried to do above, whereas I could have used that space to educate on the beauty of Islam.
It is only a media junkie; a CNN viewer; or a ignorant individual who would call all muslims 'terrorists'.
We are all over 13 in this forum, so most of us should have out-grown name calling by now.

I pray that Allah will put Islam into your hearts.

No-one can win the $50,000 on offer apart from Allah as it is Allah who decides on who recieves faith, and Allah has no use for money. Therefore you are offering false promises to your readers.

Remember, on the day of judgement, Satan wont be standing with you. Satan hates all humans but uses them for his own means; so be wise and seek help from Allah.


Allah Hafiz
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aminah: Assalamu Alaikum...

I have to admit, I came across this site today and was shocked. However, you have presented information to the public, and it is our choice whether we reject it or embrace it. Therefore what you, as a disbeliever is doing, is tolerable.

To comment on your style of presenting the information you have chosen to provide, it is neither intelligent nor inspiring. However, after reading a few articles on this site, I was keen to learn more and I am still researching now on the topics raised...

Hello Aminah, Wa alaikum salam...

welcome to FFI forum I am glad you are reading FFI, please continue to read., If something is wrong with fellows who criticize Prophet Mohammad(PBUH)

But you need to prove that Mohammad was indeed chosen by Allah to guide the humanity.. other wise, his life after the death of his first wife Khadija doesn't sound good for messenger selected by Allah..

with best regards
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Sanitarium



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: To the Author... Reply with quote

Aminah wrote:
Assalamu Alaikum...

Hello Aminah, welcome to FFI: I am glad you decided to join the forums here and I look forward to reading your future posts

Aminah wrote:

I have to admit, I came across this site today and was shocked. However, you have presented information to the public, and it is our choice whether we reject it or embrace it. Therefore what you, as a disbeliever is doing, is tolerable.

Don't rush to judge dear Aminah. Please take time to read the articles and check the sources thoroughly. Please note there are apostates here as well as non-muslims and muslims as well. Unless you are addressing Ali Sina only with this 'you' talk?

Aminah wrote:

To comment on your style of presenting the information you have chosen to provide, it is neither intelligent nor inspiring. However, after reading a few articles on this site, I was keen to learn more and I am still researching now on the topics raised.

Good: I'm very glad to hear that. Why is it not 'intelligent or inspiring' may I ask?

Aminah wrote:

Regarding passages in the Quran, again you have inspired me to pick up the quran and read which, as a muslim, is a good thing that you have done for me, thankyou and may Allah have mercy on your soul.

Oh, so this site has strenghtened your Islamic faith? Fantastic!

Aminah wrote:

To put a single passage from the Quran without an explanation about the passage is to take it out of context. For example, if I take the words 'forgive us our tresspasses' out of the Christian prayer, without adding the next sentance 'as we forgive those who tresspass against us' then the first sentance alone would implie that christians can commit countless sins without any quarms.

Excuse me? Please show us where we quote out of context. I note that Muslims quote the Quran out of context all the time. A couple of examples:

Quran 4:3 wrote:

"....marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one ..."

See? If you can't deal exactly the same with each wife, then you should only marry one wife! The Quran promotes equality!!!

Quran 5:32 wrote:

"...whoever slays a soul....it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men;


See? The Quran doesn't promote Murder! Islam is a religion of peace!

Don't tell me you have never as a muslim made misquotes like that, to prove a point, or haven't seen muslim sites doing the exact same thing?

Taking those verses and putting them in context reveals very different meanings behind them.

So don't accuse us of misquoting, unless you can provide specific examples, because we have ample evidence of muslims doing it all the time with the Quran.

Thanks


Aminah wrote:

I have read your article about pederasty (something I didnt know about until I saw your site so once again thankyou) and the translaton of the Quran that you have provided is not only taken out of context, but the words have been exagerrated negatively with implications of young boys 'servicing' older men. If you have a dirty mind, you will inevitably see dirty things, or manipulate words and hear them as dirty; e.g the word dirty can mean Christina Aguilera 'Dirty' (the song) or dirty as in needs cleaning; rather like you mind!.

I'm sorry, are you saying Jannat isn't 'dirty' and filled with the fulfillment of male carnal desires??


Aminah wrote:

The History of the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon Him, is also misinformed and reduced to schoolground name-calling rather than historical fact and evidence.

I love this quote!! Aminah, are you aware that the only 'historical fact and evidence' we have are exclusively Islamic sources? How can they be biased against Islam??

Please give me an examples of 'name calling'. Please note that a claim made against Muhammad and Islam, that is backed up by evidence, cannot be classified as 'name calling'.

Aminah wrote:

Islam is beautiful, not specified to one race, colour, intellect, or time.
Islam is also the truth.

Please read more of the site.

Aminah wrote:

There are many lessons on manners, conduct, and civility towards one another.

Note quite. manners, conduct, and civility towards other muslims. Non-muslims are not granted the same courtesy.

Aminah wrote:

It is sad that we feel a need to justify ourselves as I have tried to do above, whereas I could have used that space to educate on the beauty of Islam.

Please make a post in the appropriate section of the forum regarding Islam's beauty. I'd love to see what you come up with

Aminah wrote:

It is only a media junkie; a CNN viewer; or a ignorant individual who would call all muslims 'terrorists'.

I'm very tired of hearing this accusation. Either you don't watch the media (news) or you are just parroting someone else's crap.

IF you watch CNN, BBC, SKYNEWS, FOX NEWS et al. you will obviously note that the media dubs the Terrrorists "Radical muslims" (ie. not true Islam), and that 'Islam is truly a peaceful religion". Heck, George Bush even said Islam was peace, and misquoted 5:32 in order to 'prove it.'. We here know that terrorists are the true muslims, and that they are the only ones following Allah's will.

Please actually turn on the news yourself to SEE what they are saying. You make yourself look foolish to make such silly claims.

Aminah wrote:

We are all over 13 in this forum, so most of us should have out-grown name calling by now.

Again, a polite request to show evidence of this 'name calling'

Aminah wrote:

I pray that Allah will put Islam into your hearts.

Thanks

Aminah wrote:

No-one can win the $50,000 on offer apart from Allah as it is Allah who decides on who recieves faith, and Allah has no use for money. Therefore you are offering false promises to your readers.

I don't follow your logic here. Use logic and Islamic sources to refute the Charges against Muhammad and the $50,000 is yours!

Aminah wrote:

Remember, on the day of judgement, Satan wont be standing with you. Satan hates all humans but uses them for his own means; so be wise and seek help from Allah.


Allah Hafiz


To bleieve that you'd have to:
(a) Prove that God exists
(b) Prove that this "Allah" is God

I look forward to your proof on this matter.
Quran doesn't count.

-Sani
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Aleem



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wa `Alaykum As-Salaam sis
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome.

What a pretty name. I think it was the name of the mother of your prophet.
I always thought it was rather harsh of your Allah to condemn that Aminah to hell because she was a pagan and had not accepted any of the paths of the prophets. And then because she was dead and in hell, the rasul was not even allowed to pray for her. I guess because of that I could never really warm up to Allah's mercy or compassion. I decided I prefer to join that Aminah, your namesake, in whatever hell Allah has put her.

Dear lady with a pretty name, if you do find any real mistakes at the site please do point them out.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Amina,
Please dont mind their harsh tone...Although some of the members only speak to spew their hate against the muslims, majority of the members are sincere and want to free the muslims from what they call "cult of islam"...Good members like doubtless,yeezevee, sanitarium, Ali Sina etc believe in presenting "blunt truth" and "shock therapies" so we have to argue with them by accepting their harshness...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Aminah, greetings and welcome to the forum dear.

regards and
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Aminah,

Aminah wrote:
The History of the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon Him, is also misinformed and reduced to schoolground name-calling rather than historical fact and evidence.


How can we know which hadith are historical facts, which ones are false, and which ones are humanly impossible to know whether they are true or false?
Can you give one example of a hadith that you know for certain is 100.00% true/historical along with your proof?

best wishes,
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dear Amina,
Please dont mind their harsh tone...Although some of the members only speak to spew their hate against the muslims, majority of the members are sincere and want to free the muslims from what they call "cult of islam"...Good members like doubtless,yeezevee, sanitarium, Ali Sina etc believe in presenting "blunt truth" and "shock therapies" so we have to argue with them by accepting their harshness...

Finally a brainless islamic showing positive sign.
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mahiwal



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peacebewithyou wrote:
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mahiwal wrote:
Dear Amina,
Please dont mind their harsh tone...Although some of the members only speak to spew their hate against the muslims, majority of the members are sincere and want to free the muslims from what they call "cult of islam"...Good members like doubtless,yeezevee, sanitarium, Ali Sina etc believe in presenting "blunt truth" and "shock therapies" so we have to argue with them by accepting their harshness...

Finally a brainless islamic showing positive sign.


what was the significance of that post, if you have something constructive to talk, let me know, and you dont have to get personal by calling me a "brainless islamic"...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How come muslims repeat the same BS over and over ? Its like a program.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doubtless wrote:
Welcome.

What a pretty name. I think it was the name of the mother of your prophet.
I always thought it was rather harsh of your Allah to condemn that Aminah to hell because she was a pagan and had not accepted any of the paths of the prophets. And then because she was dead and in hell, the rasul was not even allowed to pray for her. I guess because of that I could never really warm up to Allah's mercy or compassion. I decided I prefer to join that Aminah, your namesake, in whatever hell Allah has put her.

Dear lady with a pretty name, if you do find any real mistakes at the site please do point them out.


doubtless if you continue with your evil ways, i assure you, you wont be with bibi Amina...She was not sent a Prophet whose scriptures were meant for later generations like you have Muhammad,

Most certainly then We will question those to whom (the messengers) were sent, and most certainly We will also question the messengers; 7
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mahiwal....tell me, have you bothered to study Islamic history regarding pederasty!!!

I would feel confident that many muslims don't know about it!!!

It explains much about (a) the promises in paradise, and (b) the deviant sexual practices we see today, including rampant homosexuality and harming of young boys.
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Do look it up - part of the learning process.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p.s. Mahiwal....but to ensure you get the "correct" info don't read by a muslim author - look up an independant source.
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Aminah



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... Reply with quote

Mash'allah!
Thankyou for the warm welcome to the forum and I am so pleased to read your comments, I pray that Allah forgives all our sins and rewards all our good deeds.

Whilst studying Islam, the main negative points that individuals have difficulty with accepting are as follows (and I will try to answer them below)

Q. The fact that the Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) married Aisha at what we consider to be a young age.

A. In Islam, there are no 'Teenage' years. {Although I hate using polarities such as the Islamic EAST and the modern WEST, I will use them for ease}. In the West, society is divided up and pidgeon-holed into their respective places. Being a Teenager in the West you are expected to behave and act a certain way, there is even a whole industry geared towards creating and meeting the 'Teenagers' needs through film (the advent of 'teen' movies like American Pie, Road Trip, even films based around drugs like the 'Friday' series of films or the newest edition 'Get Rich, or Die Tryin'), through music, (pop music and the increase of Gangsta Rap), through fashion, etc etc. In Islam however, the stages bypass these 'Wonder years'; the slow backwards upbringing of the West; and moves straight to Adulthood. So you are a Child first, and then an Adult.

As a Child, in Islam, you are taught the Quran, Arabic, Hadiths, and encouraged to gain knowledge. Adulthood takes place at the time of puberty. At this stage, as a muslim, it is essential that you keep your modesty by not displaying too much as your body begins to change and grow. As you may know, puberty can hit at a very early age for some. This is the case for the Prophets' (peace be upon him) young wife Aisha.

There is no other evidence in the Hadiths that the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had relations with any other young individual, (or any young boys for that matter so pederasty in my opinion is out of the question)
A peadophile is someone who seeks sexual gratification only with children.
The Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had wives who were all older than 16, Aisha was an exception.

Q. Proof that God exists and proof that Allah is God.

A. The proof is the Quran. This is the only proof you need.
It is written in the Quran that once revelation has come to a people, they will still ask for proof, or some kind of miracle like walking on water.
But then again, if we do not ask, then we are blissfully naive.

Then let me ask you this... How do you know you are alive? How do you know you are awake? Maybe you are within a dream, and when you wake up you will be in another dream, and so on? Why do people take science at face value and teach it in school as part of the National Curriculum? Maybe a set of people want to indoctrinate us with a way of thinking that removes God from our lives?
The bottom line is, Where is the proof for anything? Where do you draw the line and say 'I am satisfied?'.

Let us look for a moment at the Hijab. Think about this; How many women do you know of that have been raped and who wore Hijab/Niqab/Jalbab?
Then think about the thousands of women each day that are raped, not because they deserve it, but their style of clothes inticed a man to sex. If a woman decides to become a prostitute, she doesn't choose a hijab, but chooses a short skirt and boob tube.
Therefore, Hijab is the best option for keeping sexual desire at bay.

Islam also prescribes marriage for people and non-marital relations are forbidden. Can this be bad?
Think about Aids, Herpes, Crabs, split condoms, unwanted pregnancies, single-parents, etc etc etc etc.
Marriage means responsibility, respect, trust, and love for one another and Allah.

I think the above two examples are proof. And they are both prescribed in the Quran.

Inshallah you will let me know if you want me to explain in more detail or to ask furthur questions.

Allah Hafiz
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