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Shahanshah



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

secular_indian007 wrote:
BTW Secularism does not mean believing that all religions are the same and paying attention to those who believe they need more support. It simply means that the state should keep out of the religious beliefs of individuals, and should provide equal opportunities to its citizens without any regard to religious beliefs. Have we got it right?



I would add that religions have to be kept out of government, so that they don't use government influence and coersion to promote their worldview and impose their 'morals' on non-believers.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: hi Reply with quote

peacebewithyou wrote:
This thread is interesting. I am learning more about me and my culture. People please lets have more constructive arguments and stop calling indians stupid. Lets start respecting other peaceful cultures and enjoy the diversity this earth provides us.


I agree. I'll say this much: I appreciate Hindu and Buddhist aesthetics. The imagery is peaceful and playful, unlike Christian imagery, and most unlike the Islamic HATRED for any imagery at all.

I also think that the dharmic religions are more tolerant and peaceful and much more intellectually appealing than the "Abrahamic" (cave-man) religions.

Even so, I can't believe in any religion. Ultimately, none of them help me make sense of this crazy, random, painful world.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manohar wrote:
pilgrim wrote:

In short a belief in reincarnation till one merges with the supreme being creates a culture of resination to accept the status quo no matter how bad and do nothing to change it. All attempts are considered futile.


In a different thread.I also remember very well of you having ridiculed recycling and mergence with the self elsewhere (most possibly in the same thread).

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102399&highlight=#102399

Even if you had written and rewritten something in that Spengler thread,I do not have the time to scan through all of lengthy posts.

Even then you seem to have access to my PMs.So I am helpless with the moderators.



It is also possible that my brain circuits may have given me wrong signal info.

The same philosophy also created a more humanitarian csociety when the conditions were favourable.

My dear manohar,
This is what I had written about Reincarnation, briefly stated it is as follows.

Reincarnation which teaches that any successive status in life is determined by the previous life creates a culture of resignation to the status quo no matter how unpleasant. It is futile to do anything in a present life to change unfavorable conditions.

I had also written that Muslims by scriptures and traditions have a fatalistic view of life resigning to the status quo. Muslims believe that man's life on earth and the afterward have been pre determined by Allah since eternity and are recorded in the preserved Tablet of Faith in Allah's paradise. Muslims endure depravation and exploitation under Muslim despotic, cruel leaders. They accept the rule of these extremely injust cruel leader since it is their fate orescribed by Allah since eternity.

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Regarding the topic of this thread "Islamic Heaven" I will be posting as promised a long artice tiltled Paradise according to the Muslim mind.

It is a long article and I do not have time to translate in one session.

I will serialize it, and number each segment. I others post after any segment, then I will reprint all the previous segemnts, and add a new segment.

All statements in the article are referenced to Qur'an, hadith, and Islamic tradition.

Please be patient.
I have great confidence that I will succede in converting some of you infidels to to the religion of Allah.

Best regard, Pilgrim [top Salesman of Muslim paradise to infidels]
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heaven According to Muslims

By: Malik Muslimani
8/22/2002
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Translated by Pilgrim

Note: this a seven page article in Arabic. I do not have time to translate it in one session; therefore I will serialize and assign a number to each part. For sake of continuity, I will reprint previous parts each time I post a new segment.
………………..

Folks,
Pilgrim is an honest heavenly real estate broker. I have choice parcels and various dwelling to satisfy city folks, nomads such as Arabs and Turks, and outdoor campers.

So here we go.

Part 1

Heaven has a fundamental understanding in all religions. It arose out of a philosophical question about death and after death. This thinking about after death was and continues to be an issue that no system of thought can ignore. Thus, death occupies the religious and the philosophical mind through the ages.

The method of dealing with this issue unmasks the spiritual level of the founder of any religion. The answer that these founders developed influences greatly the hearts and minds of the followers of these religions. Thus, the imaginations and beliefs of the Muslims does not only explain the nature and environment of the period of the founding of Islam, and does not only reveal the personality of Muhammad and his companions in their call to Islam, but also helps to define the personality of the Muslims; It also draws the outline of the ethical awareness of the Muslims, in addition it confirms, or negates the presence of human sensitivity.

In this article we are going to present the picture of heaven as understood by the Muslims. The reader shall see through the characteristics of the heaven, the Islamic personality, and its view of recompense, and how the Muslim looks at life, and the goal for life. Heaven is the goal for the actions of the Muslims. It is the abode of eternity as a reward for their “good “deeds in the world.

In order not to enter into many details about description of heaven which occur in Muhammad’s hadith [statements of Muhammad], and in Islamic books, we are going to display heaven according to its Qur’anic description, and will rely on Islamic tradition to complete the picture.

The basic description of heaven according to Islamic vision is that it contains all that the senses desire; and Qur’an points to that as follows: <<Qur’an 43:71 Therein are brought round for them trays of gold and goblets, and therein is all that souls desire and eyes find sweet. And ye are immortal therein>>. And according to Islamic tradition in which Allah says: << I have prepared for my righteous worshipers things that no eye has seen, and no ear has heard, and has not occurred to the heart of a human>>. And there is in it reveling and merrymaking that believers have no knowledge of: <<Qur’an 32:17 No soul knoweth what is kept hid for them of joy, as a reward for what they used to do>>.

This is the first description of heaven, and we see in this description that the Muslim is promised by Allah himself that he will obtain all that delights him, that is fulfilling all his worldly desires.

The Construction
The width of paradise is <<Qur’an 57:21 Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah, which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty>>. And according to hadith, heaven has doors reserved for various groups: the door of repentance [for the repented]; the door of alms [for the alms giver]; the door of prayer [for those who pray]; the door of struggle [for those who fight for Allah]; the door of eating [for those who fast] according to hadiths by Al-Bukhari and Muslim. This does not clarify how Muslims are to enter these doors since what has been stated here are obligations of all Muslims. It could be said, probably, that the one who engages in excessive prayer enters through the door of prayer, and so on.

Islamic tradition adds the following description to heaven: << It is built with alternate bricks of gold and silver; they are plastered with musk of exceptionally powerful fragrance. Its stones are rubies and pearls, and its soil is saffron. Who ever enters it becomes immortal, and their youth become everlasting, and their clothes never wear [The traditions of Al-Darami in a chapter on the construction of paradise; similarly it was stated by Al-Tarmathy in a chapter on a description of heaven; and in the Traditions written by Ahmad]>>.

With respect to construction, Qur’an mentions the existence of rooms, some of which are multi stories, and some have rivers flowing beneath <<39:20 But those who keep their duty to their Lord, for them are lofty halls with lofty halls above them, built (for them), beneath which rivers flow. (It is) a promise of Allah. Allah faileth not His promise>>. Qur’an confirms that the believers <<34:37 And it is not your wealth nor your children that will bring you near unto Us, but he who believeth and doeth good (he draweth near). As for such, theirs will be twofold reward for what they did and they will dwell secure in lofty halls>>.

And if the promise of <rooms> was suitable for the people of Quraysh [Meccans] because they lived in a commercial city with residential dwellings, this promise was not met with appreciation by a large proportion of the inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula who were nomads, and thus had to be attracted by talking about the tents of heaven. Muhammad promised the believers with a tent. He said: <<there is in paradise a tent made by the cavity inside a pearl whose width is 60 miles>> Al-Bukhari- in another quote:<<the tent is in a pearl with a hollow inside, its length in heaven is 30 miles>>. Apparently this occurred in Yathrub [Madina] when groups of bedawins [nomads] began to approach Muhammad. It is clear that Muhammad sensed the extent of their emotional attachment to tents. We still see its influence in the adherence of the Arabs to tents to this day. These psychological manifestations confirm to a great extent the deep rooted nomadic life style in the psych of the Arabs.

Heaven is not limited to buildings and tents only. Some hadiths talk about palaces for a selected group of Muslims as has been conveyed by sources about Muhammad; he saw in a dream a woman making ablution next to a palace. He asked to whom the palace belongs. He was told it belonged to ‘Umar Bin-al-Khattab [ Sahih (correct hadith) Al-Bukhari, number 3533; Sahih Muslim, number 6147; Also the article on ‘Umar Bin-al-Khattab in the Lion of the Forest: 654/3]. This is in line with classifications that were clearly defined in the Qur’an <<Qur’an 43:32 Is it they who apportion thy Lord's mercy ? We have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of the world, and raised some of them above others in rank that some of them may take labour from others; and the mercy of thy Lord is better than (the wealth) that they amass>>.

(To be continued)

Best regard, Pilgrim [Can't wait to get to Muslim's heaven]
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am born on at a time that is inauspicious going by some Hindu astrological calculations,many of the posts that I made here were in inauspicious days and times,using inauspicious considered black colored keyboards,so do not take my posts seriosly.

I want an eternal peace and nothing more.If ever I have another life,I wish I be born as a Buddhist,lead a meaningful and purposeful life and attain nirvana or eternal bliss.

Bye to all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hindu can have too many literary works and according to Mundaka Upanishad which has the motto 'Satyameva Jayate'(Truth alone triumphs) astology etc are all lower truths and the knowlege of the Supreme Self is the higher truth.That prompted me to write something knowing fully well that I am not infallible in metaphysics.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some modern swamis now urge devotees not to pay any attention to Puranic stories about the Gods, saying that they have no relationship with the world today --that they are misleading and confusing and should no longer be taught to the children. Instead, they encourage followers to deepen themselves with the higher philosophies of the Vedic Upanishads and the realizations of Hindu seers.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=229358&highlight=#229358
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy canuck wrote:
Or eating food in dark ( Manu smriti, those souls can be born as cat)


Manusmriti is supposed to undergo reform based on factors of country and time.According to what I know ,you must not eat food in dark because
it is demons who do so.You see, are we supposed to ape the demons.

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But the reason behind this belief I think is because if you eat in dark,in a tropical country like India there would be many insects which would get gulped without any notice.

And any way there would be remedial rites if you are so scared of punishment. .me thinks so.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice to hear that the missionaries are frustrated, but are Hindus really happy? I've never been to India, but the Hindus I see in other countries don't strike me as happy. More often than not, they look downright miserable. Still, that's better than looking angry and hateful, like a lot of Muslims. But I think of Hindus as having been highly influenced by hundreds of years under Muslim rule. They have the same obsession with suppressing sex, and abusing women, etc.

Oddly enough, people from Catholic countries seem to be generally happy. And Southeast Asian people generally, regardless of religion.


And that might have been the reason why Richard_The Lion Heart said that
he would prefer immigrants from the Buddhist countries first and foremost.
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Oddly enough, people from Catholic countries seem to be generally happy

That isn´t odd at all! It is a true observation
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diotima64 wrote:
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Oddly enough, people from Catholic countries seem to be generally happy

That isn´t odd at all! It is a true observation


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=194735&highlight=#194735

An advantage of early start rather than religious influence.That is my opinion.
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manohar wrote:
diotima64 wrote:
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Oddly enough, people from Catholic countries seem to be generally happy

That isn´t odd at all! It is a true observation


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=194735&highlight=#194735

An advantage of early start rather than religious influence.That is my opinion.

What does happiness have to do with economic attitudes? I was talking not about riches, but HAPPINESS.
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diotima64 wrote:
manohar wrote:
diotima64 wrote:
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Oddly enough, people from Catholic countries seem to be generally happy

That isn´t odd at all! It is a true observation


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=194735&highlight=#194735

An advantage of early start rather than religious influence.That is my opinion.

What does happiness have to do with economic attitudes? I was talking not about riches, but HAPPINESS.




I have to be careful when I am supposed torespond to a lawyer.So would go through all the posts and carefully paraphrase my reponse.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:54 am    Post subject: Islamic paradise Part 2 Reply with quote

Heaven According to Muslims

By: Malik Muslimani
8/22/2002
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Translated by Pilgrim

Part 2
Islamic Heaven
By Malik Muslimani
8/22/2006


Quote:
Part 1 was posted on 9/19/2006
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=567669&highlight=#567669


Part 2

Beverage, fruits, Trees, and Wine
We observe that the picture of paradise is to visualize it as a garden. It is clearly apparent that it is aimed at presenting the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula who live in a harsh sandy environment a deductive attraction. Thus the most salient description of paradise is the existence of gardens and flowing water,
15:45 Lo! those who ward off (evil) are among gardens and watersprings 78:32 Gardens enclosed and vineyards
47:15 A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear- run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels ?
38:50 Gardens of Eden, whereof the gates are opened for them,
38:51 Wherein, reclining, they call for plenteous fruit and cool drink (that is) therein.
56:32 And fruit in plenty
56:33 Neither out of reach nor yet forbidden,
56:34 And raised couches;
56:35 Lo! We have created them a (new) creation

56:36 And made them virgins,
56:37 Lovers, friends,

77:41 Lo! those who kept their duty are amid shade and fountains,
77:42 And fruits such as they desire

56:27 And those on the right hand; what of those on the right hand ?
56:28 Among thornless lote-trees
56:29 And clustered plantains,
56:30 And spreading shade,
56:31 And water gushing,

And there is an emphasis on the abundance of wine

78:32 Gardens enclosed and vineyards,
78:33 And maidens for companions,
78:34 And a full cup.

The Muslims in paradise drink from a cup of wine mixed with all that is delicious, and it flows from a spring, and the Muslim has the power to control the flow of this spring and direct its flow wherever he wishes

76:5 Lo! the righteous shall drink of a cup whereof the mixture is of Kafur [camphor],
76:6 A spring wherefrom the slaves of Allah drink, making it gush forth abundantly,

Also the cup that Muslims drink from will have wine mixed with ginger

76:17 There are they watered with a cup whereof the mixture is of Zanjabil [ginger],
76:18 (The water of) a spring therein, named Salsabil [Nectar, water of life for the dwellers of paradise].

In other parts of Qur’an the Muslims are promised they will be given pure wine to drink, in a sealed cup, whose seal would not be broken except by the person drinking from the cup; the last swig would have the fragrance of musk. The mixture will be from a spring that Qur’an names Tasnim [ridge], which is described as a spring from which those chosen by Allah will drink from.

83:25 They are given to drink of a pure wine, sealed,
83:26 Whose seal is musk - for this let (all) those strive who strive for bliss -
83:27 And mixed with water of Tasnim,
83:28 A spring whence those brought near (to Allah) drink.
And in paradise there are rivers of wine that will delight the drinkers from them. I addition to rivers of wine there are rivers of water, and rivers of milk, and rivers of refined honey.

47:15 A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear- run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels ?

Women, the peak of sensual pleasure

The pleasure which most excites the Muslim in paradise is plunging into sex. This plunging into sex is the center of the discussion of any Muslim believer. Perhaps he may be unaware of many characteristics of paradise except this one. Islam is excessively occupied with sex. The Muslim is promised young maidens with breast that had just completed budding.

78:33 And maidens for companions,

The Muslim is promised females that were created without going through birthing. They are described as renewable virgins, with beautiful faces

55:70 Wherein (are found) the good and beautiful –

And they love their man passionately

56:35 Lo! We have created them a (new) creation
56:36 And made them virgins
56:37 Lovers, friends,

And do not look at any one except their man

37:48 And with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes,
38:52 And with them are those of modest gaze, companions.
55:56 Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.

These women are known as hurs [hoors / nymphs] by the general Muslim public due to Qur’an’s description of them having large beautiful eyes << beautiful eyes>> which have been compared to the likeness of preserved pearls

56:22 And (there are) fair ones with wide, lovely eyes,
56:23 Like unto hidden pearls,

And it was said about them that <<they are like eggs covered with feathers>>:
37:49 (Pure) as they were hidden eggs (of the ostrich).

Al-Jalalan says in explaining this phrase:
<<they are>> in white color <<like ostrich eggs covered with feather>> to protect them so they don’t get any dust on them, and their color is yellowish as that of the most beautiful women. Qur’an likened them to <<hyacith and coral>>:
55:58 (In beauty) like the jacynth and the coral-stone.

In another paragraph, Qur’an describes them as preserved hour [nymphs] <<in tents>>:
55:72 Fair ones, close-guarded in pavilions –

And they had not engaged in sex with man or jin.
55:56 Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.
55:74 Whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them -

Boy servants

And in paradise there are boys assigned to serve the residents of Paradise. Qur’an describes their duties:
52:24 And there go round, waiting on them menservants of their own, as they were hidden pearls

And they are served by immortal boy servants
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths
76:19 There wait on them immortal youths, whom, when thou seest, thou wouldst take for scattered pearls.

The reader may observe the description of the boy servants << as they are hidden pearls>>, and this description is similar to the description of the hour [virgins of paradise] <<like the hidden pearls>>.

And in the the Mathur [a book of Islamic tradition] we find the following << and each one of the residents of paradise has a thousand boy servants striving to please him>>
52:24 And there go round, waiting on them menservants of their own, as they were hidden pearls.

And another Mathur adds << they were human on earth who had not done any good deeds to be rewarded for, and they had not committed transgressions to be punished for, because since there is no birthing in paradise, they are made servants for the residents of paradise>>:
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths

The Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary

And in heaven there is a place called the <<the Lote Tree of the Utmost boundary>>
53:14 By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary,

It is a phrase that appeared once in Qur’an. There are variations in interpretation of this phrase [two lines got cropped when printing the Arabic article] .

Al-Tubri writes following in explanation of following interpretations:
And another one said: <<It is the tree of the essence of the throne, the knowledge of each man of learning ends at it. All that is beyond it is unknown to any one except to Allah>>.

Others define it as a tree <<rivers of water which is not stagnant gush out of it, and rivers of milk whose taste never become stale, and rivers of wine that drinkers find it delicious, and rivers of refined honey, and it is a tree that the traveler walks 70 years in its shade and does not come to its end, and one of its leaves covers protectively the whole Muslim nation.
............
Part 3 will be about:
Development of the description of paradise
..........
Best regard, Pilgrim
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