Head Scarf - the Absurd Logic

forward · Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

My point: There's no need to cover up what is not there.

According to many Muslims, women should cover up their hair because to display their beauty in public would attract and arouse men, possibly leading to sexual crime committed on them.

Questions:

1, If the woman is NOT attractive, surely there's NO NEED to cover up?

Over 95% of Muslim women in the world should not cover up - simply because they have no reason to do so!

Come on, are you saying that all the middle-age Saudi mothers who breed like rabbits for the past 20 years should worry about getting raped even if they walk totally NAKED on the streets?
And all the grey hair grandmothers too?
How about 9 year old girls who are still playing with dolls?
And generally over 70% (rising to 95% for Muslim countries) of your high school female classmates whom you did not fancy having sex with...

2, If an ugly/unattractive woman STILL NEEDS TO covers up, what does it say about the MATURITY of Muslim men??

If any of your answers to my questions at para 1 above is YES, then I honestly think that this is a grave INSULT to the maturity and character of Muslim men, or male in general (if male in general gives a toss about Islamic dogmas).

I mean, who on earth would jump on the chance to rape and fondle a 45 year old buffalo of 15 children or any of those women listed above?
- Except the holy Prophet and his fellow gang rapists in 7th Century Arabian desert I guess...

Contrast with the fact that you rarely hear women getting raped on the stylish Champs E'lyses, New York sidewalks, Tokyo nightclubs, or even on the European or Brazilian nude beaches - so much for Muslim men's 'upright moral' character.

This head scarf requirement in the Quran has got to be the most self-incriminating dogma in all human history, yet they are so bloody proud of it.

3, If an ugly/unattractive woman covers up, isn't she VAIN/TOO FULL OF HERSELF?

Only those whose beauty really EXISTS and is capable of arousing UNCONTROLLABLE lust (many men are lusty but they also have strong self-control) should wear the head scarfs, for their own good. That is reasonable enough.

But if an ugly/unattractive lady insists on putting on head scarf, isn't she basically saying that "I'm HOTTER than Gisele Bundchen!" (and all those supermodels and film stars who don't wear head scarf but has never gotten raped; ok, maybe because they don't live in primitive, diabolical societies like Saudi Arabia and Iran, I grant you that...)

On the other hand, all those HOT Muslim chicks who refuse to wear the head scarf even though it's a 'religious duty' should be COMMENDED, not condemned - because they are HUMBLE enough to acknowledge that their beauty DO NOT AMOUNT TO LUST-AROUSING.
- Unlike their vain, head-scarf-wearing sisters...

4, Just admit it - It's all about MALE EGO, JEALOUSY and POSSESSIVENESS.

Those are the only reasons why the holy prophet invented the head scarf DUTY (I'm not talking about the idea - you can suggest that women should wear it, but you should not FORCE them to).

Or maybe, it's because he was jealous to see that most of his other adopted sons (other than his cousin-cum-wife Zainab's ex-husband, Zaid) have prettier wives than those in his house. So, what he doesn't see would hurt him less.

JUST ADMIT IT. stop using all the crap justifications like 'for your own good'... for the sake of all the truly good, morally upright Muslim men (rare exceptions to the rule, no doubt) and humble women.

Frankly, I've never seen a religious dogma which manages to degrade its male followers and embarrass its female followers by the same stroke. Well done, Muhammed - you are a GENIUS.

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It's a mixture of 2 and 4.

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everybee · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

What if a man has a veil fetish?
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Yes to all of your points. Even where I live, they cover their daughters hairs age 1-5 years old. Hair is beauty. Why need to cover so you can have it so smelly?

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Ajax · Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 2927 Location: Elysian Fields

No, no, no.

It does not matter if they are ugly. It's about 'women's hair emanating an "evil ray" that drives men "into lustful irrationality" and thus causes harm to Islam'. Even ugly women have this "evil ray" you know. Please don't discriminate against them. How else can you explain the unhealthy attraction to 9 year old girls?

Shave them all bald, I say.

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wachamalit · Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 3319 Location: Atheist corner.

The evil ray is nothing more than the Muslims uncontrollable lust. It is THAT which cause all the sexual harrasment towards women.
Muslims should follow the examples of non-Muslims, who loosen up on the sexuality oppresion.
When Muslims get used to seeing female flesh they won't be as peverted as they are now.
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forward · Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

'Evil ray' (eg. mother teresa's hair??) or veil fetish (I think HAIR fetish is more like it - I'm always attracted by a woman's eyes, lips and cheek bones, hair only comes in to supplement/enhance the beauty, never the main attraction, let alone arousing lust!!), it's all because of the MAN.

No.2 is the root cause, for me.

Muslims MEN, please grow up.

rainbow · Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 2339 Location: GOD IS TINY!

It's not the men, it's the women who are the main players in this veil antic. If you live in a western country, where veiling is not compulsory, you will notice that it is mostly unattractive women who veil. They then pressure the attractive women to wear them by "normalising" it, helped along by naive western "human rights" supporters. They even had a stupid "headscarf day" here some years ago, where we were urged to all put on headscarves to "support" these fanatics.

It seems to have gone by the wayside, thankfullly, as more people become aware of the psychology of the veil.

I think muslim women are their own worst enemies, as I said in my other post. It's not the men who want them to cover; it's the women in 9/10 cases. In fact, when I converted to Islam, the first thing my muslim husband said was; "don't you dare wear any veil!"

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jihadjay2 · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 371 Location: JAPAN

The head scarf is viewed to be a sign of modesty, and you will see many Orthodox Christians with head scarves on and the same applies to Orthodox Jewish women.

It is about freedom of choice and not what you deem to be correct or wrong.

It does not concern me if a woman desires to do this and talking like "trash" via the original thread will do nothing for your cause.

Both fundamentalists are wrong, this applies to the people who force women to dress like this, or a culture which prevents women from covering up if they desire.

Women should dress how they like.
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forward · Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

jihadjay2,

What I said does not disagree with what you said.

"I'm not talking about the idea - you can suggest that women should wear it, but you should not FORCE them to."

But when it comes to Muslims, the peer pressure to wear the head scarf/hijab is enormous and suffocating. If u have any Muslim female friends who live in an Islamic country, u would know. Name-callings like 'sluts' r common.

'Trash-talking' is my style, I'm sorry u didn't like it. I thought it's important to 'trash-talk' about this topic because that's how I tried to bring out how diabolical, embarrassing n humiliating the logic is.

So, I'm sorry I wasn't able to write like Jane Austen or Virginia Woolf. We're talking about an EVIL ideology here.