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Berber
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 Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: Ali Sina How would you explain this to me |
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| Ali Sina Said : One argument that Muslim apologists bring up as proof that Muhammad liberated women is the Quran’s injunction of not burying the female infants alive. They want you to believe this odious act was the common practice of the Arabs that was stopped only after Islam. However, this myth can be dismissed with a simple logic. If this practice was so common, how come the Arabs could afford to have several wives and how did their race survive at all? |
We have your majesty emperor of Persia said in letter sent to Kalif Omar :
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| When we established the tradition of hospitality & good deeds in the world & we waved the flag of "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds" in our hands, you & your ancestors were roaming the deserts, eating Lizards for you had nothing else to feed yourselves & burying your innocent daughters alive (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)! |
Did he also lie
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Anna Doe
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Source please. Or is it again from David Duke's site?
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SherKhan
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Berber,
You missed this part,
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| If this practice was so common……….. |
There might have been some isolated incidents but please remember Mo was not a test tube baby. He had one real mother, one breast feeder and an unknown number of stepmothers. |
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Ali Sina
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Both letters; the one sent by Omar to the King of Iran and the one sent by the King of Iran to the Khalifa are forgeries. The first is forged by Muslims and the latter by the Iranians who are against Islam. The one allegedly written by Yazdgerd is actually of modern authorship. This is not reported in any history book.
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If the Arabs were so keen burying their daughters alive how did Mo end up with so much wives (30)?
http://www.wikiislam.com/index.php/Muhammad's_Marriages:_A_violation_of_the_Qur'an
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Phedippedes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Ali Sina How would you explain this to me |
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| Berber wrote: |
We have your majesty emperor of Persia said in letter sent to Kalif Omar :
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| When we established the tradition of hospitality & good deeds in the world & we waved the flag of "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds" in our hands, you & your ancestors were roaming the deserts, eating Lizards for you had nothing else to feed yourselves & burying your innocent daughters alive (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)! |
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No, that letter is an Urban legend afaik. It's not real. People made it up. It's fake. The other too I believe. |
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Berber
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Ali Sina said >
Both letters; the one sent by Omar to the King of Iran and the one sent by the King of Iran to the Khalifa are forgeries. The first is forged by Muslims and the latter by the Iranians who are against Islam. The one allegedly written by Yazdgerd is actually of modern authorship. This is not reported in any history book. |
lets assume that you are right even though you provided no proof. How could this be mentinoned in Koran as well
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Ali Sina said >
Both letters; the one sent by Omar to the King of Iran and the one sent by the King of Iran to the Khalifa are forgeries. The first is forged by Muslims and the latter by the Iranians who are against Islam. The one allegedly written by Yazdgerd is actually of modern authorship. This is not reported in any history book. |
lets assume that you are right even though you provided no proof. How could this be mentinoned in Koran as well |
Because he said so, as long he say letters are forgeries than they are forgeries, he doesn't need to provide any proof, he doesn't have a proof, he had read all the history books, he can debate with any one via e-mail, give him some time he will find you a good answer for your question, he need to come-up with something  |
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Shweta
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sorry,double post, hence deleted..
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Shweta
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| a good answer for your question, he need to come-up with something |
You have 10 laughing heads lady ? [Ravan incarnated  ] .Thank your stars that you didn't come in face to face with hindus of India just a couple of days ago[on Dussehra day], lest you yourself would have gotten burnt in place of your effigy.. |
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binladin
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: Okay lets say Ali Sina is wrong... |
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Lets say the Arabs did indeed commit such brutalities and nearly join the ranks of the dinasaurs...  and thank Allah there was Mohammad who saved the day.
Can't muslims move on and improve themselves further? Its been 1,400 years since the Arabs nearly became extinct but there was improvement!
Just like the Christians in Europe who dared to open up and became what they are now.
If you can manage to walk why not learn how to run then?
Muslims all over just stagnate! To give you an example,Malaysia. The non-muslim build and prosper only to hand it out to the muslims.
Women in the muslim world are treated either like baby factories or just playthings and servants to their male population.
Taliban women are like under house arrest. In some middle east countries women are not allowed to drive. Outside their homes they must be accompanied by a man.
In one African country a woman was pragnant but could not prove she was married so the verdict was that after the birth of her child she must die by stoning.
Come on muslims, why can't you people improve further? Mohammad is already dead and burried for so long. Move forward. Revise the rules and remove what is no longer valid and replace with something more practical.
Pork was forbidden because it cause illness when not cooked properly so start eating pork since the reason is already known. We can overcome it. Why fast for one month and end up eating more at night? Why pray so many times? Did it made you any smarter? Did Allah help you in any way? Those non-believers can still laugh at you because they are still ahead. They didn't ask Allah for help but yet... 
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If the Arabs buried their daughters who or what did their sons marry? Goats? Camels? It must not have been a common practice, surely.
Also wasn't it someone else who initiated the 'burying daughters is wrong' thing? I read somewhere it wasn't Muhammad. |
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crazy canuck
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If the Arabs buried their daughters who or what did their sons marry? Goats? Camels? It must not have been a common practice, surely.
Also wasn't it someone else who initiated the 'burying daughters is wrong' thing? I read somewhere it wasn't Muhammad. |
Burying daughters might have been practiced by few tribes or by high ranking chieftains only. This used to happen in many societies where these sections had to pay a. very high dowery b. Very exaggereted sense of honor and not to be deferential to even son in law.
Most of the Arabs of Arabian peninsula were poor goat and camel herders. Few living in oasis and small towns. In all these societies women were valued resource. They can work in fields, tend cattles, do lots of handicrafts to cloth the societies, weave material for tent. For these reasons almost all ancient tribes charged bride price when daughter given in marriage to other tribes. Daughters inlaw side became useful allies in time of tribal conflicts.Ofcourse like all patriarchial societies male child birth was celebrated. But no tribals were known to bury daughters.
The myth was created by Hadith writers and later Muslim historians. |
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