Who will live, and who must die?

[Wiking]

Thank you, Dae Rolf. Your input is valued.
I'm very busy at the moment, but I plan to do more work on my little project during the week end.
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Warning: Islam is detrimental to your brain!
Marriage in Islam

[Wiking]

I have started this as a project in the FFI-Wiki.
As I said, I don't expect to have much time to spare for the project before the week end.
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Warning: Islam is detrimental to your brain!
Marriage in Islam

[firesnake]

Sorry I dont mean to be joking but can we conclude Snake and Dog?
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"you can married a little girl up 6 years old.. (in Islam), you can tried f*ed her, after she got menstruation (9-11 years old) .. .. " Monassjazz
</islam>

[Wiking]

[ixolite]

There should be an article about halal slaughter that refutes that idiotic mohammedan claim that it is painless killing.
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</islam>

"Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Goldthwait H. Dorr

[Wiking]

[firesnake]

but Viking,dogs and snakes must be killed according to the cran. They become the victimes and their lives are in danger just like us...
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</islam>

[Wiking]

[firesnake]

I guess its not about human and animal. If want to expos the evil of Islamic teaching, then do it entirely. Killing dogs and snakes also forbidden to eat pork, including Jews = Apes, in addition to some examples of strange and funny hadiths. Like it or not, you have to have special page for ridiculous hadiths.
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[ixolite]

[Yttrium]

[quote="Wiking"]The idolators:
- Atheists
- Hindus
- Eskimos and other indigenous people

Dear Wiking, thank you for all your hard work.

Instead of "Eskimo and other", I think it would be better to list "Indigenous religious practices, including but not limited to: Native American, Fijian, Maori, Bon, Yoruba, Dagara, Pagan, Heathen, Voodun…" etc. the list is huge and can be contributed to from almost every nation on the planet.

You may also want to add the Druz (from Turkey and elsewhere).

[Dae Rolf]

"...Bahá'í beliefs are sometimes described as syncretic combinations of earlier religions' beliefs. Bahá'ís, however, assert that their religion is a distinct tradition with its own scriptures, teachings, laws, and history.[5] Its cultural and religious debt to the Shi'a Islamic matrix in which it was founded is seen as analogous to the Jewish socio-religious context in which Christianity was established. Bahá'ís describe their faith as an independent world religion, differing from the other great religious traditions only in its relative newness and in the appropriateness of Bahá'u'lláh's teachings to the modern context. Bahá'u'lláh is believed to fulfill the messianic expectations of these precursor faiths."
...the Wikipedia article on Baha'i'ism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahais

I never said that the Baha'i consider themselves to be muslims,
just that Baha'i'ism emerged as a movement from a shi'ite islamic sect,
called Babism. The Babists followed someone they believed was the one
who announced the coming of a Messiah, if I'm not mistaken the mahdi.

This announcer, called the 'Bab' (meaning the Gate) abolished the
quranic laws, and proclaimed the coming of this messiah.
Yet the Babists kept calling themselves muslims, and never broke with islam.

A man who became known as Baha'ullah came to believe that he was this
messiah, and when he had become convinced of that, he indeed proclaimed himself
as this Incarnation of the Divine Intellect.

Yet both the leaders of the Babists as well as the majority of their followers
refused to acknowledge Baha'ullah, and there was even quite some agression
againest Baha'ullah and his followers, including assasination attempts.

For further details on this history, please view the Wikipedia article,

But there's one thing that you should know: whilst Baha'i'ism is
an independant monotheistic faith, they believe that God had send many
messengers to mankind to educate them, but they also teach that none
of these messengers actually taught the people the whole truth, hence
the Truth is (yet) unknowable to human beings.

Thus, the Baha'i believe that from time to time messengers are sent
(who are regarded as incarnations of the Divine Intellect) that will
tell people those bits and pieces of the Truth that they at that point
can handle. These messengers also guide the human development into
a certain direction that is according to God's great plan.

As humanity develops, so the Baha'i claim, the messengers come with
more and greater revelations, so that mankind may at some point finally
reach the Truth.

These messengers, these incarnations of the Divine Intellect, include
not only people like Baha'ullah (the founder of Baha'i'ism), Buddha and Zarathustra,
but also all of the biblical prophets as well as Mohammed.

So according to the Baha'i, Mohammed was yet another truemessenger of God,
and thus islam is, according to them, another stage in God's masterplan.
That's why they won't condemn islam, the qur'an or Mohammed.

..
Baha'i'ism is an independant offshoot of shi'a islam as much as
Christianity is an independant offshoot of Judaism.

Yet theoretically, it is not wrong to regard Christianity to have originated
as a Jewish sect, and in the same manner, Baha'i'ism can be regarded
as a breakaway sect of islam.

And the Baha'i indeed do regard themselves to be successors
of a whole earlier tradition that fully includes islam.

How they think they can combine the peaceful God of Baha'ullah
with the countless atrocities of Mohammed, whom they consider an
incarnation of the Divine Intellect, is a matter for the Baha'i's to solve.

..
About the cathegories dissaproved of dhimmitude, I'd just say
all animists and polytheists, which pretty much includes all the religions
you just mentioned above, both indigineous beliefs, as well as neopaganism and wicca.

Another detail; you mentioned the Druz as non-muslims.
Although orthodox muslims regard the Druze to be a heritical sect,
(they believe in reincarnation and such)the Druze still regard temselves
to be muslims, or at least to be affiliated with islam.

Though their true position of wether or not they are muslims is often
unclear, the religion of the Druz allows them to lie about their
religious affiliation were that to be neccesary in case of persecution
or something. So if the radical muslims were ever to persecute the Druz,
they'll just either pretend to be muslims, or "officially" convert to islam.

..
And then just a final question for everybody here, would the Peyotists,
the followers of the Native American Church be eligible for dhimmitude?

[Yttrium]

[Yttrium]

[kaptainhowdy]

dont forget the diasporic syncretic religions:

Santeria, Lucumi, Macumba, la Regla Ifa, Vodun, Haitian Vodou (cant remember if its been mentioned) and Palo-Mayombe.

Im not sure where these would sit with the muslims as they are all a strange mix of european catholic christianity and west african paganism.