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Ali Sina
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| It is true, that Shahid has virtually no Islamic supporters, and very few people link to him. |
Hmm! That seems to be a good sign. If Muslims don’t like someone that person must be a good guy. Muslims like only their own kind. I am sure you (it doesn’t matter with how many nicknames you post here, your language and your brain give you away) must be loved by Muslims.
I do not know much about sbwus to pass a judgment on him. But so far he seems to be more intelligent than Muslims and the fact that you say Muslims don’t like him is another proof he must be a good person. So unlike what he says, in my view he is not a Muslim and you are.
Anyway, we know you are not going to face him. Looks like you are really scared of him. This intrigues me more and I want to see what he really says. I don’t think he should waste his time anymore to prove the obvious. You can of course make a hundred usernames and praise yourself if that pleases you. But you are not going to fool anyone in this forum.
I really look forward to see why sbwus still calls himself a Muslim.
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Dan-Cannon
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It seems this Nadir, aside from being a coward and a joke, is also a man troubled with multiple personality disorder.
When will his next personality reward us with his first post?
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sbwus
Joined: 16 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:04 pm Post subject: Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg |
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| It appears that Ali Sina is a bit desperate here. He is looking to Shahid Bin Wahid to do what he could not do - defeat Nadir. I think we can all agree here that Ali Sina was humiliated by Nadir Ahmed, and because of that, he is investing heavily in Shahid Bin Wahid to regain his lost dignity. But I do not believe Shahid is the right man for the job. I also dont believe that Nadir is the 'teflon Don' that others have made him out to be. But the problem with Shahid, is that he is viewed as a person who is not mentally stable in his own Islamic community. It is true, that Shahid has virtually no Islamic supporters, and very few people link to him. His articles are very confusing and do not amount to anything more than his own opinions. Because of this, he is viewed as a great disapointment by Muslims. Ali Sina is going to have to do better than to let loose a mad man shouting debate challenges at Nadir to defeat him. Nadir, most likely, is very selective in whom he debates. Shahid is simply not the answer. |
Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg
First of all let me state,
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ بِالْقِسْطِ شُهَدَاءَ لِلَّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَى أَنْفُسِكُمْ أَوِ الْوَالِدَيْنِ وَالْأَقْرَبِينَ إِنْ يَكُنْ غَنِيًّا أَوْ فَقِيرًا فَاللَّهُ أَوْلَى بِهِمَا فَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا الْهَوَى أَنْ تَعْدِلُوا وَإِنْ تَلْوُوا أَوْ تُعْرِضُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allâh, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allâh is a Better Protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you avoid justice; and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allâh is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.[/b]
Having said that let me set the record straight (it is your pick to believe it or not) that Mr. Ali Sina didn't apporach me and perhaps, until now he may have even not known me. Likewise I wasn't aware of this website/forum and who is behind it. I am the one who chose to join this forum and made my decision to use this. So, let us cut the blame game and let us stop using diversionary tactics, Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg.
Regadring your statement that I quote:
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| Nadir, most likely, is very selective in whom he debates. Shahid is simply not the answer. |
When you made the above claim you in fact, meant that Nadir Ahmed is very selective who to avoid/dodge to SAVE the face and ultimate exposer, not to meention humiliation. Nadir Ahmed's example is like that attorney who is called an ambulance chaser (because he is too desperate for business and fame) the proof of that can be this example @
http://www.souldevice.org/ol_muslim_nt_rebuttal.htm , where Nadir Ahmed approached and/or contacted by stating that I quote:
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I was recently asked by Mr. Nadir Ahmed to visit his Muslim apologetics site and respond to his criticism of the New Testament. In his e-mail he wrote the following:
Hi,
I'm a Muslim apologist and I am currently having a dialogue with some Christians about Islam and Christianity. I have posed some questions to the Christians which they admitted they did not have the answers to. I happen [sic] to stumble across your website and I thought that you would be a great resource for them soo [sic] they can get a "second opinion" before committing to anything. This way they can get a more balanced view. Therfore [sic], I was wondering if we can pose the same questions to you and get a Christian response?
I would like for you to respond to objection #1
thanks,
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Not to mention there are many other cases where Nadir Ahmed chased people down. Nadir Ahmed went with his wife to some Christian event and chased Dr. Robert Morey for debate.
As far as all these personal attacks on me that are based on bold face lies are concerned, you are aware that I always ignore them as gas bubbles of an old meal (that you all have been suffering with).
If we are to take your words, then we have to form into a lair and/or hypocrite like you that Mr. Ali Sina is desperate and he want me to finish what he couldn't do. Well, if that is the case, then how would you explain Mr. Ali Sina's earlier message[s] requesting me to let you go rather chasing you down and himiliate you exactly you have described in your challenge to Mr. Ali Sina @ http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm that I quote:
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| Alhumdulilah, the following anti Islamic personalities have been wiped out, exposed as frauds, and have fallen to the Sword of Islam!....To many people have emailed me and asked me to refute this guy, under normal cirumstances, I only do public debates... so the humilation can be witnessed for all to see ... |
So, why it is fair for you Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg and FOUL for others. In the above quote you have not beeen selective beside doing the public debates as general rule, and that is exactly you have been CHALLENGED for (a public debate).
Thugs like Nadir Ahmed and many others who claim to be Muslims are in fact, not Muslims and they are using Islaam as pretext to cause fitnah on Internet and in this world. I call them outright Kafir (because they are and not because I say) and/or in some cases Murtadd. Because they must be exposed for what they truly are and should not be mistaken for what they impersonate.
And what Islaamic community you are talking about Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg? You call a coalition of thugs (individuals and websites) who are out there to mislead people, make money and create hostilities among the followers of different faiths, even if they have to impersonate what they are not. By the way your so-called Islaamic community is limited to Murtadd-e-Azam Osama's website and couple of other. The number of my immediate family is larger than the number of your so-called Islaamic community. And I am talking about my wife and kids only. This claims qualifies you to be a comic and/or a joker.
The reason you "Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg" are on the RUN because you know that you don't stand a changed to survive first few minutes of debate with me inSha Allaah, before you collaspe. You know good and well that you have been duping ingorant and/or misguided Muslims and those non-Muslims who have no real knowledge of Islaam. You know that I will inSha Allah make you chew your own words that I quote:
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dude.... listen.... you aint no scholar in Islam, youre a "POSER"... you dont even have the prerequisites of being a scholar.. have you mastered the Arabic language?? Have you mastered any of the disciplines of the Islamic sciences, fiqh, or jurisprudence? Do you have a letter of recommendation from an accredited Islamic University verfing that you are a master of a particular field?
The TRUE scholars have responded to people like you, who go around the ignorant masses, passing themselves off as "Islamic Experts".... and have simply stated...
Source http://www.examinethetruth.com/ahmed_response1.htm
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Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg, you know good and well that if you debate with me I will inSha Allaah make you chew your own words like "gum" and shove your rhetoric where mommy use to put thermometer.
But let us tkae your words in this message as face value where you said that I quote:
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| But the problem with Shahid, is that he is viewed as a person who is not mentally stable in his own Islamic community. It is true, that Shahid has virtually no Islamic supporters, and very few people link to him. His articles are very confusing and do not amount to anything more than his own opinions. Because of this, he is viewed as a great disapointment by Muslims. |
Then why are you waiting for, accept the challnege for debate and since you didn't started I did, then teach me a lesson and show the world:
1. I am mentally unstable.
2. Islaamic community (whose and which) does view me mentally unstable.
3. My articles are very confusing, how and why?
4. How my articles amount to my own opinion.
5. How I am viewed as great disappoinment to Muslims.
That would certainly give you $ 1000.00 reward and a victory over me, so why wait, Nadir Ahmed?
But, you are on the run because you know that it is not true and none of the claims and/or statements you have made are true. And you also know that I will inSha Allaah impeach you for everything you have worked for to be under spotlight and self-glorigication. Your copy and paste from Internet wouldn't save you, because I have studied and learned from the authentic sources and I do possess those authentic books; you have never seen and/or heard of.
The irony of your absurd claims is that your so-called Islaamic community is nowhere around you and there has been no statement in your support and/or defense. You are alone, sadly!!!
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sbwus
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: Attention: Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg |
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Attention: Nadir Ahmed AKA noora dada AKA Chris_Berg
Please be advised that you have been issued a challenge for an open public debate in your home town 'Chicago" and you have also been given ample time. But, you have chosen to use evasive methods rather facing your opponent that would be the author of this message.
Being a considerate person, I am willing to give you a deadline until 5:00 P.M, Friday, September 24, 2004. By then if you fail to accept the challenge for an open debate as outlined in my earlier messages in this thread, then you will be a loser by default making a willful choice on your part for the reasons best known to you. However, others are FREE to draw their own conclusions.
This message is about the deadline to accept the challenge, because it cannot continue indefinitely.
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Scott
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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I'm still laughing at his demands in order to accommodate the debate.
can't he just talk here? too sad.
This poor bastard wouldn't stand a chance to debate you -- he HAS to use
evasive maneouvers to try to dodge you. I expect him to claim that you refused to debate him -- translation: you refused to meet his ludicrous demands.... if you put your own demands back, he will claim yours are outrageous, and thus you avoided debate... he's always going to try to claim victory on a technicality..
when you were a kid -- did you ever play the game or see someone who would claim victory because what they said meant something different to THEM!?!
well, some of these people just never grow up.
Scott
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Chris_Berg
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| Chirs Berg is Chris Berg. I know not what all this talk about me being Nadir Ahmed (?) I apologize if I came off a bit harsh, but I voiced my perception as of now. I do not deny that Shahid is well studied in Islam. But it appears that Shahid has no supporters from his Islamic community, which is quite odd. I noticed in Shahid's response, he did not mention anyone who supports him or his views. As for the comment of Shahid being a mad man, I simply stated what virtually all Muslims who know Shahid have said about him. I read the posts on Answering-Christianity.com, and it was clear that Shahid is alone - just as Nadir stated. Taking this into consideration, I do not see why Nadir Ahmed or anyone should view Shahid as nothing more than just that. Shahid must raise this issue with himself. How can he not have a single supporter? What about the abundance of Muslim scholars on the internet, certainly Shahid would be able find at least one person which has something good to say about him? Perhaps Shahid can respond to this challenge? |
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Scott
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Isn't Berg a Jewish name?
You know, I think I'm getting good at spotting thie global conspiracy thing!
Scott
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al-Mujaadil as-Siddiq
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| Chirs Berg is Chris Berg. I know not what all this talk about me being Nadir Ahmed (?) I apologize if I came off a bit harsh, but I voiced my perception as of now. I do not deny that Shahid is well studied in Islam. But it appears that Shahid has no supporters from his Islamic community, which is quite odd. I noticed in Shahid's response, he did not mention anyone who supports him or his views. As for the comment of Shahid being a mad man, I simply stated what virtually all Muslims who know Shahid have said about him. I read the posts on Answering-Christianity.com, and it was clear that Shahid is alone - just as Nadir stated. Taking this into consideration, I do not see why Nadir Ahmed or anyone should view Shahid as nothing more than just that. Shahid must raise this issue with himself. How can he not have a single supporter? What about the abundance of Muslim scholars on the internet, certainly Shahid would be able find at least one person which has something good to say about him? Perhaps Shahid can respond to this challenge? |
Before this you said:
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| It appears that Ali Sina is a bit desperate here. He is looking to Shahid Bin Wahid to do what he could not do - defeat Nadir. I think we can all agree here that Ali Sina was humiliated by Nadir Ahmed, and because of that, he is investing heavily in Shahid Bin Wahid to regain his lost dignity. But I do not believe Shahid is the right man for the job. I also dont believe that Nadir is the 'teflon Don' that others have made him out to be. But the problem with Shahid, is that he is viewed as a person who is not mentally stable in his own Islamic community. It is true, that Shahid has virtually no Islamic supporters, and very few people link to him. His articles are very confusing and do not amount to anything more than his own opinions. Because of this, he is viewed as a great disapointment by Muslims. Ali Sina is going to have to do better than to let loose a mad man shouting debate challenges at Nadir to defeat him. Nadir, most likely, is very selective in whom he debates. Shahid is simply not the answer. |
The bold and underlined part shows contradictions in two of your messages Nadir Ahmed. Can you tell us what the hell you have been smoking, since you have already published your stupidity all over here. |
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Ali Sina
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This is becomming hilarious. This guy is now quoting himself and disagreeing with himself. I admit I never had so much laughter in these last few days.
This remind me of Muhammad impersonating as Allah rebuking Muhammad for not paying attention to his heart's desire when he lusted after Maryiah and telling him go ahead, break your oath and do not heed to your upity wives.
And Shahid says Nadir Ahmed is not a Muslim. He is even thinking like Muhammad. He is more than a Muslim; he is almost as good as Muhammad himself.
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Scott
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:42 am Post subject: |
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I have to admit... it is pretty close to the best I've seen...
but this is a typical counter-intelligence technique.
My only thought is, he's not doing it on purpose!
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Chris_Berg
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| I am also having a good chuckle, it seems that anyone who contradicts Ali Sina and Shahid Bin Wahid becomes Nadir Ahmed! I can see how believing in this does offer comfort. But to answer the above question, Berg is a German name, you will find Jews and Christians bearing this name. Hope that helps. |
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Abdul-Wahed
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In The Name Of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
By this first post I make, I Bear Witness that there is only one God , and Muhammad is his final messanger.
Im seing a big problem here .. Big and Serious one. Dear Sahib is not nice from your part the things your doing.A trully muslem instead of attacking his brother will help him , and if he see something bad from his brother , then he say it to him , and so on .. This is what Islam teach help each other muslems brothers.. We are single community , it doesnt matter from what nationalitty,color race , etc each one come .. there is one thing that make us one and unity us , and that is the believe that ther is only One God And Muhammad is his final Messanger.Your are challenging your own brother , How can this be posible ?? I mean Nadir .... what wrong have Nadir done ??You called him kufr beceause he sayed he know better Ali Sina that Ali knows himself, but brother do not missunderstood his point ... Is quiet true we know the disbeliever better than they know them self ,for God have told to us about them in his last revelation the Glorius Qur'an, for they are far from the true , so what can we expect of them ??Is quite and very obvious that Nadir defeated Ali Sina so hardly and exposed him as a liar, so brother why attack ur own brother ?? I see in your post lot of interest to prove that Nadir doesnt speak arabic or he is not a schoolar or something ... ( Thing wich i dont really know ) But let suppose this is true , does this give you the right to attack him ?? NO ... Nadir is Denfeding Islam , Nadir is exposing the lies of those who attack Islam , same with my beloved brother Osama Abdallah .... BOTH have reverted many to Islam ... Man this is a big work the one they are doing ... and you just go on and attack them ??? Dont let Shaytan fool ur self for devil likes to make separation and problems between people...If Nadir really doesnt speak arabic , is there a problem ?? Of course not , he have done what even other who speak arabic have not done. Both Osama and Nadir have this love for Islam and to Defend Islam and to give Dawah.. But you attack them ??? I personallly dont speak arabic , so those that make me less muslem than you Shahib ?? Of course no .... So I invite you brother to analyze your self ..... And think of what your doing, they way you attacked Osama and speaked about his wive,
Source : http://www.answering-christianity.com/shahid_rebuttals.htm
this is definetly not a Muslem Condtuct,Imagine you where alive for Muhammad pbuh time , and u got this conduct , do you think he would like you and be your close friend ?? Or better more what u gonna say to God when he ask u and judge in the Day Of Judgment ?? Let Hope that by the will of God this argue will end in good. Enshallah
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piggy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Give us a break Nadir
Ever thought of being a stand-up comic? |
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sbwus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: Your diversionary tactics are not working! |
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Nadir Ahmed, you have proved again that you are born stupid and refuse to change.
You really think that your diversionary tactics will work and no one will notice your fake style, deliberate spelling errors while trying to be a [dis]honest broker to save your face. It is about time I should be blunt and forthright. You and your other pseudos are too damn stupid to know Islaam and understand it, let alone practicing it. Why don't you ponder upon Glorious Qur'aan 49:9 and ask some one with knowledge to explain it to you. Because it is obvious that your bird-brain will never comprehend it.
I wonder why we see more and more IDs and/or pseudonyms are born everyday, which have not been seen before anywhere.
Let me make my objectives clear at this forum for all and remind you again.
My objectives are to eradicate Internet from fitnah websites like yours, and of Murtadd-e-Azam Osama Abdallah, Murtadd Akbarally Meherally especially and few others generally.
Mind you that I don't give a hoot to your convert stories and/or how many you or anyone else have converted and I also don't concern myself with those who allegedly left Islaam.
I know more about converting and converts (and truly), I also have more personal exprience than, all you clowns. Because I am married to one.
Your new incarnation under ID 'abdul-wahed' is yet another random act of stupidity you have performed.
I know how you are feeling lately, since I have been like a hemorrhoid in your apple sam sam, which is itching and swelling all the time. But you should have thought before you started messing with me, and rumor is that it gonna get worst.
Form now on you debate anyone and we will see that who is on the run.
Hi Nadir Ahmed 'ON THE RUN' remember: My business is to RUIN yours!
Ciao
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Scott
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(1) sorry, abbydulla, you do not know me better than I know myself.
in fact, I'd submit that you are afraid to know me, because that means to know the truth
about your religion of terror.
(2) what lies about islam? I notice that the link you provided is going to a christian site.
You can't even have a straight forward conversation in this forum.
You are pathetic.
Scott
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