Challenge for Debate to Nadir Ahmed in front of Video Camera

[sbwus]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمدلله رب العالمين والصلوة والسلام على اشرف الانبياء وسيدالمرسلين نبينا محمد صل ا لله عليه وعلى آله واصحابه وازواجه اجمعين - امابعد

Us’Salaamu Alaikum

The purpose of the message is to Challenge [to debate] with ‘Nadir Ahmed’ following his very own methodology and/or logic, which Nadir Ahmed is notoriously known to apply on others. Nadir Ahmed has been on the run [from me] beside Murtadd-e-Azam Osama Abdallah [of website answering-christianity.com] and Murtadd Akbarally Meherally [of website most merciful.com] latter two have also been challenged for debate in front on video camera year[s] ago, but they decided to remain ‘mute” to save their faces.


This challenge to debate with Nadir Ahmed will not be about forcing my will and/or topic of my choice upon Nadir Ahmed. The debate would be strictly about:

1. Exploring whether Nadir Ahmed is a Muslim or not?
2. Exploring whether Nadir Ahmed is as learned and scholarly as he like others to believe.
3. Does Nadir Ahmed possess any qualifications and/or education in Islaamic sciences?

Following steps would be taken to facilitate the debate:

I

In order to examine and/or scrutinize Nadir Ahmed, his faith, his knowledge and his qualifications, simple Q&A session would suffice followed by Nadir Ahmed is presenting the evidence in support of his claims.

II

Nadir Ahmed will be given a simple test about Islaam and/or Glorious Qur’aan consisting of 100 questions. If Nadir Ahmed scores 100%, he will inSha Allaah be awarded a cash reward of $ 1000.00 up front. Nadir Ahmed is assured that the test would not exceed the grade level of 5th grade in an ideal Islaamic School.

III

This is the last part, in which, debate will take place on most favorite topic of Nadir Ahmed i.e. Qur’aan and Modern Science. The debate will simply based on the debates Nadir Ahmed has been engaged in with others and what he has on his own website, for which Nadir Ahmed must provide the transcript to all audio files.

Objectives:

The challenger[s] intend to prove that Nadir Ahmed is nothing but ‘Hot air and no weight.’ Nadir Ahmed is not even a Muslim; he has gone outside the fold of Islaam by uttering Kufr. Nadir Ahmed in fact is an enemy of Islaam, who is plain ignorant with obsession to be under spotlight and self-glorification. Nadir Ahmed has a reckless disregard to the truth. Nadir Ahmed approaches people be they Muslims or non-Muslims and then Nadir Ahmed uses intimidation and aggravated harassment while at the same time labeling them and accusing them for running. Nadir Ahmed does this to make money while glorify himself. Nadir Ahmed is a free loader who has caused more differences and hostilities between Muslims and Christians with his inflammatory and un-Islaamic methods. Most importantly Nadir Ahmed is IGNORANT of Glorious Qur’aan.

Readers are advised to explore the following links and ponder upon what Nadir Ahmed has uttered and/or published. Muslims are especially requested to examine whether Nadir’ Ahmed’s writings and his methodology represents Islaamic teachings.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm

http://www.examinethetruth.com/ahmed_response1.htm

http://beckda46.freeservers.com/Debates/debate.html

http://www.souldevice.org/ol_muslim_nt_rebuttal.htm

Notice the hypocrisy of Nadir Ahmed, he writes filth, disinformation and lies about others and then he demands others to add and/or publish his absurdities and also respond to them, despite of they are grossly imbecilic. If some one doesn’t then he is being accused of being on the run. But Nadir Ahmed don’t practice what he preaches, example my three articles and earlier challenges @

Nadir Ahmed of Examine the Truth.com on the run !!! Published on 6-15-04
http://www.geocities.com/J_1975X/nadir2.htm

Nadir Ahmed: Lustfully Yours Britney Spears! Published on 6-04-04
http://www.geocities.com/J_1975X/lustfully-yours.htm

Examine the Truth, I did and found NONE. Published on 5-03-04
http://www.geocities.com/J_1975X/nadir1.htm

Folks, we are not talking about days, Nadir Ahmed has been hiding his face from me for months, why? If he is truthful and a scholar, why he can’t take me on like he demands everyone he chases to glorify himself [in his mind], each time after getting defeated he always declare victory. Why is afraid and have not responded to my challenge, for which I have to even come to this forum to get Nadir Ahmed’s attention. That will definitely inflame some so-called emotional Muslims, who erroneously believe that Nadir Ahmed is doing just a wonderful job [No, he is not].

Nadir Ahmed, before you run and/or come up with excuses, please do not forget your method and your approach to others. One example would suffice here: Please click on http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm and keep in my you’re demands, manipulations’ and forceful way of imposing your will on others, while disregarding Islaamic teachings.

Let me educate the masses in general and Muslims in particular, since no one has pointed this out so far; especially Muslims. Proof that Nadir Ahmed is a Kafir, who impersonate as Muslim for his bread and butter. Please read in this link http://www.examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm Nadir Ahmed has uttered outright KUFR, which I quote:

[nadirahmed]

under normal circumstances, I would ignore this challenge, because anyone who knows Shahid bin Wahid, knows, that he is a mentally sick person. The challenge itself is foolish. I dont know of a single Muslim on the internet who supports this loner, or even has a sinlge good thing to say about him!!!

But since Shahid Bin Loser is flashing some cash, he got my interest..


Here are my requirments which I will have to insist on for this video "thing":


1. We will do it in Florida keys, the commerse can help out the devastation.

2. you will need to make accomidations at a 4 or 5 star hotel, of my choice.

3. Air accomidations must be made by Shahid: Round trip tickets for both me and my wife, for 4 days.

4. We will also need a car for those 4 days.


5. I will waive any personal fee of my own.

If Shahid does not meet even one requirment, then that proves that he is bluffing, and there is NO $1000 dollars, and I then put him on ignore. So dont waste my time Shahid.


thanks,
Nadir Ahmed
www.ExamineTheTruth.com

[yeezevee]

[Abd al-Haqq]

[piggy]

This idiot Nadir seems to be prepared to anything to make a name for himself.

He will eventually fade away like islam will do, might take a while for the stench to clear tho'.

Here is what answeringislam.org has to say about this con Nadir.

Responses to Nadir Ahmed

Nadir Ahmed is a Muslim polemicist who has little standing even in the Muslim community, who writes mostly utter nonsense, but invests considerable effort in promoting it widely.

He calls his website www.ExamineTheTruth.com, even though it is never the truth that is in need to be examined. Claims, theories, and conjectures need to be examined whether or not they are true.

When reading his material, one can hardly avoid the impression that Nadir Ahmed is "examining the truth in order to find fault with it, to twist it, to lie about it, and to design ways of making it look bad".

In the following we collect a number of responses to his polemics.

Hunter or Hunted? Exposing the False Accusations Made by Nadir Ahmed
Nadir Ahmed and Science:

Part 1: Islamic Hermeneutics: Proposing a Methodology to Insure Proper Interpretation of the Quran
Part 2: Analysis and Refutation of The Alleged Scientific Claims Within the Quran
Like Water For Dawa (by Denis Giron, offsite)
On Muhammad's Bewitchment
Muhammad and the Unbelievers: Do They Worship the Same Deity or Not?
The Quran, Bible Preservation and the Crucifixion
Hitler was a Christian? (offsite)
Can We Trust the Biblical Writers? (by Doug Beaumont, offsite)
Contexually Clueless (by J.P. Holding, offsite)

Nadir Ahmed's main goal apparently is to issue challenges to everyone to debate him. He operates under the illusion that he has a right on other people's time, and that each and everyone has a duty to give him time and attention. If people look at his site and then decide that responding to him in detail -- whether in writing or in a live debate -- would be a waste of time, then he concludes that they surely are afraid and running away from him, and therefore he has humiliated them.

However, one interesting feature is that, from time to time, someone agrees to debate him, but it is then Nadir Ahmed who either backs down, tries to change the topic, and/or set all of the conditions for the debate.

If the debate does then not take place, he again concludes that they are afraid, while it is actually him who ran away from the clearly-placed challenge. The article, Hunter or Hunted?, shows this particularly clearly.

The reader is invited to examine also a number of other debates or debate challenges of Nadir Ahmed. Note that our linking to these pages does not in any way constitute an endorsement of the views of Nadir Ahmed's opponents. They are provided here merely to expose Nadir Ahmed's way of operation.

Nadir Ahmed ‘challenges’

Dr. Robert Morey
Sam Shamoun
Craig Winn (interestingly, Nadir Ahmed does not even mention on his site that he ever challenged Craig Winn)

Nadir Ahmed's threats/blackmail to Matthew J. Slick (CARM) regarding their earlier debate also reveals quite a bit of Nadir Ahmed's personality.

There may have been even more people who were challenged by Nadir Ahmed, but who have not put the issue online.

I would be glad if you could let me know about it.

Some other debates took place, but strangely Nadir Ahmed is convinced he won them all, even though most other people have a different opinion.

Nadir Ahmed debated:

Denis Giron (Paltalk)
Sam Shamoun (Paltalk)
Dr. Ali Sina [also here] (written), and Denis Giron's comments on it.
Doug Beaumont (written exchange only, not listed on NA's site)
Listen to these debates or read them, and form your own opinion.
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Rebuttals to Muslim Polemics
Answering Islam Home Page

[Sir Galahad]

The link to piggy's quote of answering-islam: answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/NA/index.htm

Here is the link to Ali Sina's debate: www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm

Nadir Ahmed challenged Craig Winn but refused when Craig Winn wished engage in a written debate first.
www.prophetofdoom.net/debate_nadir.html

If Nadir Ahmed were a serious debater, he would agree to a written debate on a forum and he would do this for free.
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[nadirahmed]

response to Answering Isalm:



http://www.examinethetruth.com/RefutingAI/responestoAI.htm

[yeezevee]

You Are another Self boasting, Sound making triumphalist dear Nadir and That is NOT New to Islam and that is NOT new to Mohammad followers.

yeezevee

[sbwus]

[Ali Sina]

[yeezevee]

well Nadir., Here is the group for you that you should join and trumpet YOUR SONGS., click it

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=83b59396.0309251633.518ced83%40posting.google.com

[SherKhan]

[Ali Sina]

[Mughal]

Dear brethren sbwus, nadir,

greetings and welcome to the forum.

Each of you claims to know islam, my problem is that I do not know what islam is. So far as I know none has been able to define islam and therefore none can prove who is a muslim and who is not. This in itself is proof enough that islam is nothing more than a name, why?

Because islam is based on the quran and the hadith and no two muslims Arab or non-Arab agree as to the perfect translation or interpretation of the quran. All translations and interpretations have been criticised even by muslims scholars themselves, proving that none can understand quran perfectly therefore islam cannot be understood or defined.

Muslims want other to learn Arabic to understand the quran but those who have already learned Arabic do not understand the quran either so why should the rest waste their time?

What you need to realise is that quran and hadith are full of flaws and contradictions and that causes the confusion. You see my friends, we deal with all political, social, cultural and economic businesses and affairs locally, nationally and even internationaly using different languages because- as you know- we all have different backgrounds. Yet we do not get as confused as with perfect word of Allah that is explained perfectly by Allah himself.

Muslims have been explaining the clearly explained message of Allah for centuries and have not succeeded despite proving they know and can do better than their Allah, for that is what all this comes down to.

So my dear brethren stop fighting with each other and start thinking for yourselves about the truth regarding islam.

You may find a visit to http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=97565 interesting if you are not already there.


Regards and
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[sbwus]