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Righteous
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| Allah will answer you on the day of judgement hopefully. |
And I'll ask him why he made you so stupid. |
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Ali Sina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Osmama killed three thousand people. In the quran and sunnah it says that Allah dislike the starters of wars.
So osmama doesn't follow the quran and sunnah.
So your claim is almost totally false. |
This is what happens when people do not know their own religion and go to defend it.
Muhammad murdered thousands of people. Here is only one episode:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/b_quraiza.htm
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gupsfu
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Dear Hope,
I'd like to reply to some of your points.
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| Although I have not visited every Islamic site on the internet (I guarantee you haven't either), the goal of Islamic sites is not to criticize other religions as your site does. The goal of Islamic sites is to strengthen the iman among Muslims. |
Apparently you haven't been looking for these sites long enough. Not only there are Islamic sites set up to criticize other religions, there is actually a site with the specific goal to criticize FFI : http://www.faithfreedom.com/
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| The Prophet Muhammad ( may peace and blessings be showered upon him) says that men and women are equals. The Taliban treat women like dirt because their rulers have sick minds. If the Taliban follow true Islam shouldn't they follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. They don't thus they are not true believers. If you want a list of points on why the Taliban are not Muslim I will make one. |
It was indeed the exact teachings of the prophet Muhammad that the Talibans followed that made them treat women like dirt. You can find evidence to that in this article Ali wrote : http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/women_before_islam.htm. There are references to the Quran in the article that prove his point, please find time to look them up for yourself.
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The first one : PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
This was revealed before the Battle of Badr. The Muslims were badly outnumbered ( 3 to 1) so Allah decided to send help. He sent his angels to help defeated the Meccan non- believers.
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Why does Islam, as a religion of peace, has to teach Muslims how to fight a war? Since the earliest history of mankind, every civilization knew how to fight wars. The reaction of self-defense is almost instinctive to a civilization, and it certainly doesn't need to be taught by any religion. Why is Islam so different from other religions in this aspect? If it is indeed a necessity for a religious people to survive, then why did Christians, Buddhists, Taoists and others also survived?
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| on my third question you say that you follow the religion of live. But why do you spread hate? Shouldn't you spread love? |
The hate is reserved for Islam the religion alone, but not people who follow Islam, or other people for that matter. For example, when you see your intoxicated friend trying to kill himself, and you just watch without doing anything, then your inaction is your indifference towards him. On the other hand, if you try to stop him and persuade him not to quit drugs altogether, then your action is based on your love for him.
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| You say that Christians do not threaten world peace. Hitler proclaimed that he fights his cause because this duty was sent to him by god. One of his many reasons for killing so many jews was that they killed christ. Have you ever heard of Timothy Mcbeigh (I am not sure how to spell it)? He was a christian. have you ever heard of the IRA? They are Christians. Those are just some examples. But I know that those christians who did these despicable acts do not represent Christianity. I am intelligent to know that the majority of Christians do not wish harm for the world. You should know that the VAST majority of Muslims are not terrorists. There are 1.2 billion of us and growing. There are what max 30,000 terrorists. Go yell at them but please leave us alone. |
It wasn't Christianity that caused Hitler to kill. It was Hitler who used Christianity to gain more support from his fellow Germans. In fact, Christianity is just another false religion. There are good and evil people who are Christians, as well as all religious people. What makes Islam stand out is that it teaches Muslims to murder, to be intolerant, and to treat women like dirt. Read this article for evidence : http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm. Remember to look up the Quran references to verify for yourself whether there is truth in what the article claims.
My best wishes.
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Hope
Joined: 09 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject: reply |
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My dearest gratitude to all who read my reply to SINa.
First I would like to reply to gupsfu:
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Apparently you haven't been looking for these sites long enough. Not only there are Islamic sites set up to criticize other religions, there is actually a site with the specific goal to criticize FFI : http://www.faithfreedom.com/
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As I said I have not looked at all websites. If you find an Islamic website that criticizes other relegions please let me know and I will try my best to talk some sense into the website creators.
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| Why does Islam, as a religion of peace, has to teach Muslims how to fight a war? Since the earliest history of mankind, every civilization knew how to fight wars. The reaction of self-defense is almost instinctive to a civilization, and it certainly doesn't need to be taught by any religion. Why is Islam so different from other religions in this aspect? If it is indeed a necessity for a religious people to survive, then why did Christians, Buddhists, Taoists and others also survived? |
First of all you misunderstood the ayah. Allah didn't teach the Muslims to fight. he sent angles down to HELP in the fight. The angels perticipated in the combat. The story of the Christians is very different than the Muslims. The Muslim population was concentrated in one place, the holy city of Medina, while the christian population at the time of jesus (may he be blessed) was scattered all over palestine. Therefore the enemies of the Christ couldn't defeat them in one blow. All the Meccans had to do was defeat Medina and they could defeat muslims. In the battle with the angels there were 319 ( I am not sure about the exact number but in the 300's.) Muslims and over 1,000 meccans. All odds were against the Muslims. The meccans were better trained, better armoured, and beter equiped. Allah sent down his angels and they won the battle.
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| The hate is reserved for Islam the religion alone, but not people who follow Islam, or other people for that matter. For example, when you see your intoxicated friend trying to kill himself, and you just watch without doing anything, then your inaction is your indifference towards him. On the other hand, if you try to stop him and persuade him not to quit drugs altogether, then your action is based on your love for him. |
I dare contest!!!!!!!!!!!! Ali sina calls Muslims barbarians. thatis not reserving hate for the relegion.
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| It wasn't Christianity that caused Hitler to kill. It was Hitler who used Christianity to gain more support from his fellow Germans. In fact, Christianity is just another false religion. There are good and evil people who are Christians, as well as all religious people. What makes Islam stand out is that it teaches Muslims to murder, to be intolerant, and to treat women like dirt. Read this article for evidence : http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm. Remember to look up the Quran references to verify for yourself whether there is truth in what the article claims. |
If Hitler USED Christianity to gain followers. haven't you ever thought that Osama USED Islam????? Bring forward ANY ayah or Hadith and I will explain it to you.
Oh SINa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let all bear witness that Sina has been stumped. Even after posting my responst AND e-mailing it to him ha hasn't said a thing in 2 days. He usually replies to my within hours!!!! Not this time.
SINA HAS BEEN STUMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hope: Oh SINa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let all bear witness that Sina has been stumped. Even after posting my responst AND e-mailing it to him ha hasn't said a thing in 2 days. He usually replies to my within hours!!!! Not this time.
SINA HAS BEEN STUMPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
Boy, you are hopelessly happy for stumping Ali Sina dear Hope, but let us think a bit what you are saying../
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| Hope: Those Muslims weren't acting as examples. ..... |
dear Hope, can you give me few Muslim and Muslimah names that are perfect examples of Good human being so that humanity can follow them., Please start with Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) and come all the way to 2004.. ~1400 years., pickup one women and a man for each century and tell us why they are GOOD MUSLIMS.,
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Hope
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HI yeezevee,
Interesting observations. yes I am happy about stumpong SINa. This proves that I can stump him in other thing and what he says cannot be back by GOOD evidence. As for your secind thing please forgive me for my incorrect answer. I canot comply of getting one man and women from each century but yes Prophet Muhammad is the nearest thing to a perfect Muslim. FOLLOW MUHAMMAD. Does that answer your question. The only human being worth following is Muhammad and the other prophets. Many people make mistakes but those people who carried out the 9/11 attacks are animals. At least I can not forgive them. For example let's say you crashed your car. That is a msitake but it can be forgiven. But lets say you kill someone that is a mistake but not many people canforgive you.
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yeezevee
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Hope: HI yeezevee,
Interesting observations. yes I am happy about stumpong SINa. This proves that I can stump him in other thing and what he says cannot be back by GOOD evidence. |
I am glad you are happy dear hope. At the end that is what All 'LIFE" is about.. Happiness.. Happiness of individuals., The "Happiness" may be more fufilled if it is not at the cost of others.,
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| As for your secind thing please forgive me for my incorrect answer. I canot comply of getting one man and women from each century but yes Prophet Muhammad is the nearest thing to a perfect Muslim. FOLLOW MUHAMMAD. Does that answer your question. The only human being worth following is Muhammad and the other prophets. |
It is OK, if you can not come up with 14 males and and 14 females as role models for young Muslimah, young Muslim and others ., Don't you think Aisha(SA) is a good role model to young Muslimah??
Yes, your answer does satify my male ego., So let us start with Prophet Mohammad and Discuss/help the crowd at FFI by negating and explaining them celarly, why PROPHET MOHAMMAD was/is the best role Model for Human beings? Please write about Prophet Mohammad, Afterall he lived only 63 years , so let us go through every ten years of his life . we can do that in 7 posts , should we start??
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| Many people make mistakes but those people who carried out the 9/11 attacks are animals. At least I can not forgive them. For example let's say you crashed your car. That is a msitake but it can be forgiven. But lets say you kill someone that is a mistake but not many people canforgive you. |
I agree with you, those people who carried out the 9/11 attacks are animals. But What do we call Those people who SUPPORTED THESE ANIMALS and How many of them are there on this planet? I mean how many animals? and how many animal supporters?, take a guess dear Hope.
The other point we should think a bit dear Hope is, clearly you are insulting these people by calling them ANIMALS., But I really wonder whether you are Insulting ANIMALS by putting these people next to animals. . By the way WHAT ANIMALS YOU DON'T LIKE,. I mean pick up some, Dogs? Cats? Pigs?? Lions?? Chickens?? RATS??
Dear Hope are you converted Muslim or born in to ISLAM??
with best wishes
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject: I would be happy to |
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I wouldbe happy to go over the life of the Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him.
But it might take a whil for I am a student and my life doesn't revolve around ffi (unlike some people's *cough* *sina* *cough*)
Lets begin with yourself. What do you think happened in Muhammad's (SWS) early years. Or do you want me to begin. I can tell you a good book to read if you would like.
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yeezevee
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Hope: I wouldbe happy to go over the life of the Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him.
But it might take a whil for I am a student and my life doesn't revolve around ffi (unlike some people's *cough* *sina* *cough*) |
I agree with you LIFE cannot be *cough* *sina* *cough*., So you are student., yes please take care of your education, it is THE MOST important thing in life. It is ok, if it takes little time, as i said before 60 years of life we can do it in 6 posts.. you know you can write 6 decent pages on Prophet's life can't you?
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| Lets begin with yourself. What do you think happened in Muhammad's (SWS) early years. Or do you want me to begin. I can tell you a good book to read if you would like. |
O. K. I will begin, I think Prophet Mohammad(SAW) hade very, very tough life when he was young, specially first 10 to 15 years of his life could be the toughest life ., what do you say?? please tell me the good book that discusses all asepects of his life.
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: hi |
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I will soon get back to you withthe life of the prophet.The good is book is called Muhammad Critical Lives by Yahiya Emerick
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Yohan
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--Prophet Muhammad is the nearest thing to a perfect Muslim. FOLLOW MUHAMMAD. ---The only human being worth following is Muhammad and the other prophets.
Many people make mistakes but those people who carried out the 9/11 attacks are animals. |
Please provide the proof for the 'perfect' life of Mohammed and convince us. Just saying it is not enough.
9/11 attackers were fully convinced that they were following Mohammed. What makes you think they are so wrong and you are so right?
Koran (9-5): "When the sacred months are over kill the infidels wherever you find them. Take them captive, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
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yeezevee
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| Hope: I will soon get back to you withthe life of the prophet.The good is book is called Muhammad Critical Lives by Yahiya Emerick |
Oh, I see, you like that guy's writings dear Hope? yes he is a prolific writer for young minds, who are in very confused state of mind. Any way, did you read these books of Yahiya Emerick?
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How old are you dear Hope?? Are you also a CONVERTED AMERICAN like Yahiya Emerick?
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gupsfu
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Dear Hope,
Should I reply you now or should I wait 'til yeezevee is done with you?
Best wishes.
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: to yeezavee |
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I did not mean children's books. Just because Yahiya Emerick iwrite children's books doesn't mean he doesn't write books for you and me. As for my age take a guess.
go to this link to check out the book:
http://www.astrolabe.com/products/viewitem.php?id=329
if you would like another book from another author please le tme know.
As for gupsfu
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| 'til yeezevee is done with you? |
What do you mean by this?
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:59 am Post subject: Re: to yeezavee |
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As for gupsfu
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| 'til yeezevee is done with you? |
What do you mean by this? |
I mean "until your debate with yeezevee has ended". What else could it mean?
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