The Revival of Islamic Madness

[armour_piercing_bullets]

very good article aliji....but few points.

usa did great blunders...etc...but islam is a vicious terrorist ideology before shah or anyone came along.

the start is by abraham...and goes on till muhamed,and all muslims,mullas,etc...so,dont blame usa 100%...some blame
is with usa,some with others...but major is with pseudo
monoatheist judeo christianity islam.

there were and r tyrants in the world...yes...but islam is
terrorist ideolody,and shah,carter,etc...r side shows.

apb

[Ali Sina]

[Frodo Baggins]

On a more humorous note, this is my view of Khomeini and his ilk: How to build a mullah:


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[Humanist]

[Benjamin]

Hi,

I am new to the discussion group but have been reading this site with great interest for a long time. I basically share your views regarding fundamentalist Islam, which I am afraid is the real Islam! There is a gentler side to Islam, but it really seems to me as though it is a frightened and silent minority. (By the way, I am not of Iranian origin.)

When I try to discuss my fears of Islam with other intelligent people, I am often met with an answer such as 'Well, we [Christians] had our crusades and religious wars' or 'World Wars I and II were very bloody and had nothing to do with Islam' or 'It is poverty and the legacy of colonialism which fuel radical Islam'.

I know you have discussed this may times and there is no point repeating it. My point is simply that every issue can be argued in many different ways, as any lawyer knows. You would be surprised at how difficult it is to change anyone's mind once it is made up!

Also, I feel that there are grave dangers to Western democracy as well. The primary one in America is the influence of money over politics. Also, I fear that many Americans are uninformed about world events and are indifferent to democracy. Half of us don't bother to vote. And although I am not a puritan, I do think that too much vulgarity in our culture can undermine us spiritually in a way that is as dangerous as war. Materialism and prosperity can kill the spirit and I worry that is happening today in the West.

One question I have for you people of Iranian origin: Ali has said that he thinks the Iranians have mostly lost faith in Islam or at least militant Islam. Is this really true, or is this just wishful thinking?

Thanks

[Scott]

well, lets see what happens once iran admits it has nuclear weapons.
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[Kanad]

[mkmd555]

Dear Kanad:
You may be right in many respects, but the curriculum in the U.S. has changed.
My children know more about Islam and other religion than I did when I was in India.
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Born as a muslim, an apostate now.

http://www.quackwatch.org/

[Frodo Baggins]

Speaking about Iran: Ali, do you happen to know who this person, Dr. Ahura Pirouz Khaleghi Yazdi, is? Is he a fraud?

Apparently the 36 days (now 35) refers to Yazdi's return to Iran on October 1 for the “Mehregan Festival.” He has invited all Iranians to go with him "to remove the Terrorist Regime using Good Words, Good Thoughts and Good Deeds and to launch a Free, Open and Democratic referendum."

Something like 30 planes are chartered for October to fly into Iron over several days. A worldwide plan is in effect. Here is a paste from AHURA.info
A call to free Iran from theocratic despotism and to end terrorism worldwide

We call on all those who are dedicated to the cause of freedom and human dignity, all political parties and all organizations that support the legitimate aspirations of the people of Iran for institutionalization of democracy, to join us in our quest to uphold the following principles as our guide towards establishment of democracy in Iran.

1- The removal from power of the theocratic regime in Iran and complete separation of religion from the affairs of the state.

2- Self determination for the people of Iran. Support the national movement of the people of Iran in their political, cultural, and social struggle toward freedom, progress, social justice, and national sovereignty.

3- Set the conditions for a free and fair national referendum, through which the people of Iran will be free to materialize their democratic aspirations and to choose their future form of government in a democratic manner.

4- Freedom, prosperity, and dignity for Iran within its territorial integrity without seeking revenge.

5- Complete guaranty for the full restoration of women’s right in Iran in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights. Elimination of all forms of discrimination against the women of Iran.

6- Freedom of Speech and freedom of self_ expression. Every Iranian is entitled to freedom of speech and freedom of self _expression to share differing views and opinions, even when contrary to popular or majority belief, free from any absolute power of government to suppress or censor the same. Even unpopular _expression should be protected from absolute government suppression or censorship.

7- Freedom of press, petition & assembly.
Iranians are entitled to assemble, form political organizations and have the opportunity to petition their government to communicate and express their thoughts and opinions. In the same manner, all Iranians are entitled to receive and circulate information through a free press that is protected from absolute government suppression or censorship.

8- Equality before the law.
The right to be treated equally before the law, regardless of political position, social status, religion, gender, and ethnicity.

9- Freedom of, and freedom from, religion.
The right to exercise one's own religious beliefs, or the lack thereof, free from any government regulation, influence, or compulsion.

10- Privacy.
The right to be free of unwarranted and unwanted government intrusion into one's personal and private beliefs, affairs, papers, and possessions.

Finally, due to its rich cultural heritage, the people of Iran detest all forms of violence as instruments to advance political goals. Iranians have no interest in terrorism in any and all forms or shapes.
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[Kanad]

[Kanad]

Dearest cyberite:

Lets us assume you and I meet and you fall madly in love with me on first sight. We make a dozen babies together(which I will be glad to). What are you going to teach those babies?
Listen baby, I know Anglo-Saxons by their marrows. They enjoy a privileged position in the world because of the last three or four hundred years of world history. We must change it. It is not easy. Japanese have started the motion. Let us see how far it goes. As I said, next to Muslims Anglo-Saxons are the biggest criminals of the world. Prove me wrong.
Show me any other racial group which has caused more suffering for humanity than the Anglo-Saxons. They are still doing it today in Iraq. They did it in Vietnam, Congo, Chile, Indonesia, Iran, the Middle East and in India. Let us put them in their proper place under the sun. They are criminals inspite of all the good Anglo-Saxons have done for humanity.
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[pe791te]

[doubtless]

Kanad,

Reminds me of a young indian girl who was travelling with us for the first time and we had a stopover in London, and she was so absolutely astonished that "little babies" could speak english so fluently. How could babies talk english?

As far as suffering for mankind goes, please ask some of the indians who converted to islam and the inheritors of the person who chaired the writing of the Indian constitution about how much suffering did the learned vedic hindus caused. Believers in the Karmic theory tell me that the kicking that the hindus have received from the muslims for the last 1000 years might be due to the suffering that they had caused when they had the upper hand. Is there a more sustained cruelty against another human than the systematic reduction of humans to a status worse than animals when the hindus reduces so many to untouchables for centuries ( certainly longer than the few centuries that you are talking about the power of the Anglo-Saxons).

In your jargon, I would imagine that next to muslims, the hindus have been the cruelest and the meanest culture that ever existed on this planet. Prove me wrong.
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Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."

Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!"

[Kanad]

doubtless;

I agree with you in that Caste system in Hindu world is a cruel system probably the cruelest system ever devised by human mind. However, You will not be able to show I have written anywhere in favor of the caste system. All I can say in favor of Hindu system is that caste system is fast going out of style, specially among the educated masses. That does not mean that Hindus are going to marry Christians and Muslims in droves because Hindus know that Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are evil creations of the devil. They are evil. The sooner the world gets rid of those desert religions better it will be the world.
In terms of religion, man's relation with God, there is no religion that can come close to Hinduism. Hinduism is man's inherent habit. This has nothing to do with Hindu social customs, like Caste system, Widow burning, untouchability, not eating with the mlecchas(Christians and Muslims) on the same floor etc.

Lets us celebrate Hindu concept of god and gods and goddesses. World will be a happier place to live in.

Let us deplete Muslim head count down to half a billion in next fifty years.
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[shima]