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ixolite
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| Jermin Savory wrote: |
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Btw, I´m an ex-Christian and I never was or will be a mohammedan.  |
Islam doesn't need you, islam with be in existance when you born and die. |
Well, where´s the proof I asked for? Oh, I forgot, you haven´t got any. 
And guess what, us infidels were there before is lame and will be still there when is lame is gone and long forgotten. 
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| The proof is outside in the world, look around you, how many people are accepting islam today. |
Well, actually, it´s no one. I don´t know any convert to is lame around me.
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| In my neighborhood alone, this month, more than 100 and somthing prople accepted islam and the month has only started. |
Yeah, right. 
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| Neither do I need to give you proof for this event, since its is widely known that more people are accepting islam. |
What a surprise, again no proof.
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| From the Beginning, we were 10,000 now we are more than 1 Billion, why do you think that is? Why do you think we are in almost 30% of the world? |
wow, you are really bad at math. 1,2 billion of over 6 billion people = 20%.
Btw, Christianity has about 2 billion followers, they are 30% of the population of the world.
Like usual, if mohammedan is asked for proof, the anwer will just be:
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Crap. Most people who leave christianity just become agnostics or atheists - I do not know A SINGLE christian convert to Islam (though of course they exist) but MANY people, who just left the church. |
Thanks for being truthful, You may not know any muslims who were christians (though you are talking to one) I know many of them, our dawah program in my area teaches the correct and truth about islam and we also have people that counter false claims about islam and muslims on a large scale. |
So Jermin Savory,
Tell me what the correct & truthful Islam have to says about how Adam's grandchildrens came about. Tell me who marry who, if you do not have the name just tell me the logical possibilities.
Do you still find Allah is telling the truth of his handiwork ? |
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Jermin Savory
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Yeah, right.
Accept the fact...you can't hide from the facts...
What a surprise, again no proof.
Silly!!... one doesn't need proff that islam is Growing even from the little community it was at, to a billion something muslims today.
Why are most of the christians who abandon christianty convert to islam, is it because of the truth of islam, or did they think that islam is false as you believe?, the truth is, they found truth in islam that they couldn't deny, thus..they made the big step.
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Jermin Savory
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Tell me what the correct & truthful Islam have to says about how Adam's grandchildrens came about. Tell me who marry who, if you do not have the name just tell me the logical possibilities.
Do you still find Allah is telling the truth of his handiwork ?
What does this have to do with anything..just curious...
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Jermin Savory
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http://whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12332
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chingachgook
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Why are most of the christians who abandon christianty convert to islam, is it because of the truth of islam, or did they think that islam is false as you believe?, the truth is, they found truth in islam that they couldn't deny, thus..they made the big step. |
Correction, they found their truth! The fact that they find it doesn't mean that it is THE truth. People are coming in and out of Christianity much as they do Islam. Christianity's door is wide open and the world have yet to see "an influx". Religion is not about bragging of popularity. The only influx I see is that of muslims going to the west! Islam's door is bolted shut but it is now bulging .... some time soon that's going to burst. People will surely find out that their Profit molested innocent kid, azled slaves, raided and took loots, murder innocent people .... Some time soon muslims will find out that Allaha doesn't know that the sun did not set in muddy pool ...  Allaha lied when he said the sun postrates itself seeking permission to rise again!
Islam does grow but not because of the influx of people who found their truth, rather because muslims breed like rats .... they may have quantity but no quality.... they still need handouts and assistance from kuffars.... that's the reality! Imagine this, the kuffar that Allahaahahahahahaha rejected and curse becomes saviour of Allahahahaha's slaves! That's ironic.
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Jermin Savory
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| People will surely find out that their Profit molested innocent kid, azled slaves, raided and took loots, murder innocent people .... |
yes, thats if you feed them the false information you have on that point. none the less, if it is explained to them from the logical islamic perspective, they will not have any problem with it. At this time, this was common practice. Just like its common practice ammongst non-muslims today to go into their houses with their shoes on. 
Some time soon muslims will find out that Allaha doesn't know that the sun did not set in muddy pool ... Allaha lied when he said the sun postrates itself seeking permission to rise again!
This has been refuted time and time again...
http://faithfreedom.com/anti_islamic_claims/zulqarnain.html
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Jermin Savory
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Note: The points that are made against islam that I do not answer are silly.
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ixolite
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Yeah, right.
Accept the fact...you can't hide from the facts... |
What facts? You didn´t bring any.
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What a surprise, again no proof.
Silly!!... one doesn't need proff that islam is Growing even from the little community it was at, to a billion something muslims today. |
So what? Christianity started with a few people, and now is the largest religion on this planet
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| Why are most of the christians who abandon christianty convert to islam, is it because of the truth of islam, or did they think that islam is false as you believe?, the truth is, they found truth in islam that they couldn't deny, thus..they made the big step. |
You keep repeating the same claims, yet you don´t bring a single proof for it.
Either bring some proof for you claims or stop babbling.
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ross
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Why are most of the christians who abandon christianty convert to islam, is it because of the truth of islam, or did they think that islam is false as you believe?, the truth is, they found truth in islam that they couldn't deny, thus..they made the big step. |
Jermin,
You claim to have left christianity for islam, what do you see in islam that you think is not present in christianity or other religions ?
Give us some inspiring quotes from the quran and why do you think the quran is allah's literal words.
Give us some examples of the good deeds done by Mo, something really great, after all a man guided by allah and respected by a billion+ humans should have some great deeds.
Awaiting your reply
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Aviatrix
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Just another Christian convert to Islam here.
What does Islam have? In the very first chapter of the Qur'an, the opening of the Qur'an, something you haven't seen anywhere before...
Ihdinas Siraatul Mustaqeem
Or, translated, "Show us the Straight Path."
It is a request for guidance... and the guidance is in the Qur'an. Tell me what religion has such a book that claims to be entirely the speech of God? And a Prophet as a teacher whose teachings have been impeccably and scientifically recorded... yet completely divorced from the "Holy Book" which is not the word of man but the word of God.
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Zhou Yu
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| yes, thats if you feed them the false information you have on that point. none the less, if it is explained to them from the logical islamic perspective, they will not have any problem with it. At this time, this was common practice |
Is it false information or logical from an Islamic perspective?
Why do you need to cover yourself that the accusations are both false but are just anyway? Which do you believe, that the actions were right or that they did not happen? Clearly from an Islamic logic they will be right. Mo wants sex with a 9 year old, therefore from an Islamic perspective this is justified, he is the prophet of Allah and therefore can justify it. But are these actions morally right? It is normal for a 21 year old to be attracted to simple rules and explanations but much harder for someone to make their own judgements. |
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Just another Christian convert to Islam here.
What does Islam have? In the very first chapter of the Qur'an, the opening of the Qur'an, something you haven't seen anywhere before...
Ihdinas Siraatul Mustaqeem
Or, translated, "Show us the Straight Path."
It is a request for guidance... and the guidance is in the Qur'an. Tell me what religion has such a book that claims to be entirely the speech of God? |
If this book claims to be entirely the speech of god then the words
"Show us the Straight Path." makes no sense. Why would the true god ask to be shown the straight path ? Is god requesting humans to guide him ? Also who is "us" supposed to be ?
How do you know this book contains the words of allah and not satan, Mo could have been possessed by satan. He did exhibit signs of demonic possession whenever he received these verses like frothing in the mouth, fainting etc ?
Like Jermin you too claim to have left christianity for islam, what do you see in islam that you think is not present in christianity or other religions ?
Give us some inspiring quotes from the quran and why do you think the quran is allah's literal words.
Give us some examples of the good deeds done by Mo, something really great, after all a man guided by allah and respected by a billion+ humans should have some great deeds.
Awaiting your reply |
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Aviatrix
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You missed my point entirely. I was giving you a quote from the Qur'an, what Islam has that Christianity doesn't. Ihdinas Siraatul Mustaqeem. To me, that's a pretty powerful quote. It's Allah's words for us to say in prayer. Do you pray that? Sheikh Yusuf Estes is a convert to Islam, he said that before he converted he was confused, and his only prayer was, "Oh Lord, guide me." He hadn't been reading the Qur'an at that point, but now I tell you what, he prays "Ihdinas Siraatul Mustaqeem" many times every day. So do I, so does Jermin.
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