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emoticontol
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 Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: for indonesian christian |
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di ffi indonesia, gw udah di banned.
saya yakin di sini ada ffi-ers dari indonesia yg rela gw teror ..
MENGAPA KRISTEN KALAH PERANG DI POSO DAN MALUKU ?
KARENA PENDETANYA MENIRU PERILAKU TUHAN CABULNYA...
TIBO YANG TERANCAM MATI, SEMPET-SEMPETNYA DISODOMI DI WC PENJARA OLEH PENJAHAT PERANG RENALDI DAMANIK DENGAN DIIMING-IMINGI KEBEBASAN BERSYARAT
KEBEBASAN BERSYARAT DISINI MENURUT GUSDUR ADALAH : TIBO BERSEDIA LD (ALIAS LAPOR TIAP HARI MINGGU UNTUK DISODOMI ULANG). GUSDUR MEMANG SALAH SATU TOKOH TIDAK POPULER YANG KADANG GUYONANNYA MERUPAKAN ILHAM DARI TUHAN CABUL SI DAMANIK.
aku ada di :
http://kado-untuk-nasrani.blogspot.com/ |
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The Cat
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Feodor,
Unfortunately, the problem still exists because the hadith says that Abu Sufyan met Heraclius in Ilya (i.e. Jerusalem). It is well known that Heraclius only visited Jerusalem in the spring of 630AD while the letter was supposedly sent in 628AD.
I know things moved more slowly in those days but after 2 years I doubt the Emperor would have been the slightest bit interested. I also know Muslim sources claim Heraclius was in Jerusalem in 628AD but that is contrary to established historical evidence. |
628 is not 629 or 630. Was Heraclius in Jerusalem in 628? Obviously not. Otherwise, an interesting debate.
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Feodor,
If you knew the history of Heraclius, you'd know that he was crowned on October 5, 610AD. This means that his 20th year started on October 5, 629 AD. September 14, 629AD is actually in his 19th year. Sorry you were close but not close enough.
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he he 
what ever .... the fact is in 610 AD was his 1st year and in 629 was his 20th year ....
there is no definition of month in his 20th year ... however it's a fact that in 629 was his 20th year and there's no problem with month.
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Hector
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Say what you like, Feodor, but you've shown everyone you have nothing worthwhile to say. Heraclius was crowned on October 5, 610. This means that Sept 14, 629 was in his 19th year, not his 20th year OF HIS REIGN.
It's like Hijri - that is calculated from the time Mo went to Medinah, not in the Gregorian year.
May I also remind you that September is NOT spring in Jerusalem. You can never get Spring in September in Jerusalem no matter what year.
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Hector
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Hector wrote: |
Say what you like, Feodor, but you've shown everyone you have nothing worthwhile to say. Heraclius was crowned on October 5, 610. This means that Sept 14, 630 was in his 19th year, not his 20th year OF HIS REIGN.
It's like Hijri - that is calculated from the time Mo went to Medinah, not in the Gregorian year.
May I also remind you that September is NOT spring in Jerusalem. You can never get Spring in September in Jerusalem no matter what year.
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he he u seem trying to escape from my point about 20th year
however we cannot run away from fact that 610 AD was his 1st year
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Hector
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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And you cannot run away from the fact that Sept 14, 629 is in his NINETEENTH year because his reign started on Oct 5, 610 AD. His twentieth year started on Oct 5, 629AD.
You also cannot run away from the fact that Sept 14, 629AD is autumn, not Spring.
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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i told you we are sometime make mistake for analizying history ...so i think it's imprecise those sites punish our hadits ....
so ... dropping it to tell our hadits counterfeit.
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Hector
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What makes you think your hadith, written 150 years after Mo is more accurate than the chroniclers of Anastasius who wrote around the time Heraclius was alive that he visited Jerusalem in the 20th year of his reign? If he visited in September 14, then that would be in his 19th year. 21 March, the date traditionally ascribed for the visit, is in the 20th year. End of story. You've run out of arguments except to say that 19 is 20 when it is not.
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| What makes you think your hadith, written 150 years after Mo is more accurate than the chroniclers of Anastasius who wrote around the time Heraclius was alive that he visited Jerusalem in the 20th year of his reign? If he visited in September 14, then that would be in his 19th year. 21 March, the date traditionally ascribed for the visit, is in the 20th year. End of story. You've run out of arguments except to say that 19 is 20 when it is not. |
our hadith doesnt tells about that 20th year.
our hadits tells us that Abu Sufyan met Heraclius in Jerusalem and talked about Muhammad.
so. i think enough we debate it ..let's focus with that hadits and how Heraclius judged Muhammad.
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watcher123
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Feodor Fathon wrote: |
our hadith doesnt tells about that 20th year.
our hadits tells us that Abu Sufyan met Heraclius in Jerusalem and talked about Muhammad.
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No. You just thought you could mislead readers with rat-lab IQ including yourself into believing the wholeness of this hadith account. Clearly it has some timing problem. I believe it now as a junk crap story created by Sufyan, the Mo's ass-licker. (you can't deny it cause you even argued and doubted Sufyan's personality ) |
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Hector
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| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Feodor Fathon wrote: |
| Hector wrote: |
| What makes you think your hadith, written 150 years after Mo is more accurate than the chroniclers of Anastasius who wrote around the time Heraclius was alive that he visited Jerusalem in the 20th year of his reign? If he visited in September 14, then that would be in his 19th year. 21 March, the date traditionally ascribed for the visit, is in the 20th year. End of story. You've run out of arguments except to say that 19 is 20 when it is not. |
our hadith doesnt tells about that 20th year.
our hadits tells us that Abu Sufyan met Heraclius in Jerusalem and talked about Muhammad. |
Unfortunately, the best historical evidence from people who lived during the seventh century tells us that Heraclius went to Jerusalem only in his 20th year. This makes it too late for Abu Sufyan to have gone to Jerusalem and still be a non-Muslim.
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| so. i think enough we debate it ..let's focus with that hadits and how Heraclius judged Muhammad. |
That hadith is wrong because of the following reasons:
1. The timing is incorrect. When Heraclius visited Jerusalem, Mo had already conquered Mecca and Abu Sufyan already converted to Islam.
2. Abu Sufyan lied about there being no apostates of Islam. May I remind you that at this stage at least 3 people already apostated, including Abdullah ibn Abu al Sarh.
3. Heraclius was supposed to have said that it was the case of the Apostles to be "out to test" and final victory is for them when he asked whether Mo fought or not. May I remind you that most of the Apostles before him did not fight. Jesus did not fight. Yakub did not fight. Lut did not fight. Ismail and Ishaq did not fight anyone. The only 'prophet' or 'apostle' who fought the people who rejected him is Mo.
Thus the hadith is clearly a concoction by Abu Sufyan to curry favor with Mo.
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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hector ..hector ...
your argue to kick my hadith is not strong enough ... so stop punish our hadits .. 
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watcher123
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Feodor Fathon wrote: |
hector ..hector ...
your argue to kick my hadith is not strong enough ... so stop punish our hadits .. |
You are really sour and thick even though you know where your wrong is.. why so desperate to show your ego no matter how clear you've been schooled by everyone.. Typical muslim trait..
your argument to kick history by your subjective hadith is far from enough.. so stop punishing history. |
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Seeker2
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Feodor Fathon wrote: |
hector ..hector ...
your argue to kick my hadith is not strong enough ... so stop punish our hadits .. :heh: |
Its the truth Feodor Fathom, accept it.
You've run out of words to support your stand. |
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Feodor Fathon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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if you can fix your own problem about year of heraclius to jerusalem ... make it one voice beetwen all of ya !!!... then i'll accept truth ...
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