Do I love you or hate you?

armour_piercing_bullets · Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 203

reg land over baptist.

it is parody site,but it criticise christianity for what it is
a barbaric judaism based religion,and open our eyes to truth.

so,it is an important site.

also,some other good site :

www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com

www.evilbible.com

it expose that christainity is fake just like judaism and
islam.

the god of judaism is a imaginary and bloodthirsty
despot,and this same imaginary deity is adpoted by
christians and muslims.

no wonder their religion is what it is today.

if u say christ was good,u r cherry picking some small part
of bible,bcoz christ was also a jew and a blood thirsty one
one.

the evil bible will show u why.

also,parody is one of the best ways to criticise the fake
and expose the truth.

there is no such thing of supernatural,everything is natural
and just we need to be truthful and truthseeker to know it.

apb

Cellist · Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 5 Location: A land down under

Dear Bewildered,
Please know that there are many Jewish people out there who do not agree with every (or any) actions of the Israeli Government. There is an old Jewish Joke - " 2 Jews, 3 opinions". As a people, we very rarely agree on anything. There is no central Jewish authority, and anybody who tells you "All Jews believe this...." is an idiot! Jewish law continuosly evolves - as do people and civilizations. The Talmud always facinates me as it covers the ideas of thousands of people, their various interpretations of what this that or other in the Bible might mean, followed by disagreements from other scholars, agreements but with minor changes from others, further agreements,disagreements based on interpretations on the interpretations, and, well, i could go on. We see our relationship with the Creator as a partnership, not a do this or go to hell dictatorship (actually, I'm going to contradict an earlier point - one of the very few things all Jews agree on is that there is no such thing as Hell. We believe in one single positive creative force (and frankly, belief in evolution is not contradictory with this) if we believed in a devil locked in eternal struggle over our souls with the creator this would involve a belief in two supernatural beings, not one. If we believed that the Creator had created some place to torture people for eternity that would make the creator a psychopath and contradict our belief that the Creator is good and loving.)

MAny of the very religious Jews believe that one day we will discover the true meaning of many biblical verses. But up until we will overanalyse them and argue about various interpretations. I am not sure about this personally. But, I know that thousands of years of commentaries on the Hebrew Scriptures have produced facinating and often hilarious output. Having said that, it is just as likely that any set of books approached in the same way for a 5,000 year period would produce the same. But, at this point in time they are unique.

Where was I going with this again?

That Jews agree on nothing and everything. ANd that Jews admire people who approach the world with different angles and viewpoints, and can be independent minded enough to see the world in a different light (and arguing over it).
In a very round about way I am trying to tell you how much I admire you. To have made a step like that, to completely change your life is incredible.
I am so incredibly sorry for any discrimination or violence which you have ever suffered at the hands or orders of any other Jewish person.
I may not know your name but you are in my prayers.

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"When there is a possibility of danger, do not depend upon a miracle" - Talmud: Kiddushin.
"Evil does not prevail until it is given power."
- Rabbi El'Azar, The zohar

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

Hi Cellist,
Thanks for being so gracious. I have'nt been on the forum for some time now, life just keeps you busy! It's summer time and it's time to tone up and enjoy the warm weather. Some people on the forum may think that I ran away. I actually did not. I just found that it took too much precious time away from me. I love my family and friends more than being here, so you know what I'm going to choose to do.
I have always wondered about the Jewish religion, but I dared not ask what Jews believe in. The main thing I know is that they beleive in a God and His name is Yahweh, and that even uttering his name is forbidden.
Being that I'm Palestinian, I have not had much interaction with Jews or Israelis. However, I have happened to have some fellow classmates who are orthodox Jews. The girl I know is always dressed in fairly long skirts and long sleeves. She is very modest and quiet, and tends to be a little critical of others. I find her very polite though.
I have never gathered the courage to ask her about the Jewish faith and don't know if she is going to be open in discussing issues such as religion with me since she is also Israeli.
As I mentioned before on my previous posts, I love to interact with people, I also find that people are drawn to me fairly quickly. Sometimes it gets annoying because people find you to be so understanding and wanting to listen to what they have to say that they tend to stick around longer than usual. I even had people open up to me about personal problems that I did not even bring up or ask about, and I'm shocked. It's like, where did that come from?
One bizarre experience I had with a Jewish classmate of mine was that we took a class together, and she befriended me immediately, but did not tell me that she was Jewish. The last day of class she decided to tell me indirectly since we were talking about drinking and I mentioned that I did not do that. She said since she's Jewish and they drink that I'm not missing anything.
I was kinda taken back, really in a way shocked and hurt that she did'nt tell me, and I wondered why. She did work and interact with me for months and witheld a big piece of information about herself, when I was totally open about all my beliefs. I was not going to ignore her just because she was Jewish, I was not going to mistreat her or be indecent in any way. I look at all of us as human beings, God put us here so we can be happy and good to each other, I guess that's just me...
My other classmate on the other hand, the Orthodox Jew, well we worked together almost immediately, I had no problem with that. But then I ask myself, if I were back in the land of conflict (Israel/Palestine) would we be able to interact? Would she want to talk to me, for God's sake I'm a gentile in her eyes! I think if she was open to it, it would be mutual.
I like the way you explained your belief in God, it really is a relationship of love, I wish humans had that love for one another despite their differences.
You mentioned that Jews agree on nothing and anything, and I can tell you that this is one of my characteristics, I don't know if that stems from us being cousins

Well I don't know about what they say as us being enemy cousins, I don't even care about history, who or why so and so did this or that. I just want peace. I brought my children into this world and don't want them to live in an awful place, I wish for peace and tolerance. That's why I don't think I will go back to Israel/Palestine. I won't let them get caught in the conflict there, unless the people of that region decide to do what's best for the future generations.
Thank you for including me in your prayers, and I hope to hear from you whenever I decide to visit this forum.
Sincerely,
Bewildered

doubtless · Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

Dear Doubtless,
I thought about it for a while after the incident, and I thought the same way. I think she might of thought I would avoid her if she told me about it. But the funny part is that she told me she worked with a guy who was Arab and they were friends.
I guess we should as humans surpass all that religion and ethnicity divide that we create amongst us.
Thanks for the comment.
Bewildered

doubtless · Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442

IronMan · Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 159

A very late welcome from me!!

Just read your article as Ali has posted it on the main page.

I really admired your courage to do the right thing and your strong believe in yourself.

Ali has posted a great reply to your article too!

Now, please be careful especially with your son. You must lead him to see the truth about Islam. It'll be your most difficult task as your environment (being in a Muslim family and community) will constantly pull him deeper into the Islamic hellhole.

I wish you best of luck in bringing up your son to see the light and set a path for a real future for him and future generations.

I'm sure all of us here wil be glad to post advice ( that's all we can do i guess ) should you need one!!!

Cheers.

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

Dear IronMan,
Thanks for welcoming me.
I wanted to mention that my family and I live a very normal All-American life, but when asked about our faith we just say Islam. (Eventhough now I just feel like I can say I just believe in God and that's all).
We have been raised to be very moderate, do the five pillars, be kind to others, not to discriminate, believe and follow the Golden Rule etc. I have never been taught hate or to follow what is in the so called hadith.

When reading the Quran, we would most definitely modify certain things mentioned there, such as dress code and conduct, but when it comes to the war and killing issues, we were taught that it was based on historical events and that it did not apply to our times.

Me personally, I am not concerned about what's in the Quran, because I believe that I don't have to follow something I disagree with. I have many times had doubts about my religion, and when discussing religion with others, the only thing that attracted me was the principals of kindness and forgiveness that is taught.

I am very against racism, sexism, and discrimination due to any factor. I even don't mind interacting with gay people. I find it unacceptable to bash them because of their sexuality. I trully believe it is your genetic makeup that determines everything about you, including your sexuality. So why should I be ignorant and hateful? I can not and do not want to live that kind of life. Hate trully turns you into a horrible human being, and I will not allow that to happen to my family and loved ones.

I understand that some people will take the teachings of the Quran literally, and that is when it becomes very dangerous, but I know that here in the States, or maybe where I live, Muslims are taught very mild teachings and terrorism is something that is condemned and not taught in the schools and Mosques.

I know that the threat is mostly overseas due to political unrest, and something needs to be done to eradicate all the ideologies that are fed to the young people who resort to violence out of desperation due to hard living conditions.

I don't know if your being accurate by saying that I'm living in an Islamic hellhole, but on the contrary, I feel that I have tried my best to get my point across to my family that I disagree with the majority of what is taught in the Islamic faith, and that all religions in general are screwed up.

I'm very fortunate to come from a family that possesses alot of love and respect for me, eventhough they are constantly praying for me due to my beliefs. I can see that they overlook any differences we have and love me despite that. I'm so glad to be part of that loving circle.

I think my son will be alright because he talks alot to my husband and I, and he only interacts with non-Muslims, and even the Muslim boys he plays with occassionally, do not know anything more than that they are called Muslims. I think that being part of the melting pot will allow us to gradually let go of Islam.

Thank you again for the support and I appreciate the advise.

Bewildered

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

Doubtless, you know that I lived in the West Bank, and I felt that we as Muslims in the private school that I went to were discriminated against because of being Muslim. That however, did not discourage me from befriending Christians and overlooking our religious differences.
I felt that we had alot of religious tolerance in Palestine. I don't know how it is in the other Arab countries. I know that in Jordan the Christians are very well respected, and my Jordanian friend who happens to be Christian loves the late King Hussein, and praises him so much for doing so much for them.
I believe that we can make a big difference with kindness and goodness. This is the most powerful tool, I believe it is stronger than any kind of weapon out there. You can change so much with the right attitude.
Bewildered

yeezevee · Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109

arbitor85 · Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:57 am Post subject:

Hi bewildered,
A hearty welcome to the forum. May Chris...uh, I mean truth guide you..

See you around.
_________________
"What the eyes see, the ears hear and the mind believes,
It's not how you play the game,
It's how the game plays you".

IronMan · Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 159

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

Hey Arbitor85, thanks, that sounded nice. It seems like your a trickster

Do you really know Christ?
I like what I hear about him, but I don't know what really happened thousands of years ago, but thanks for the prayers. You sound like my mom.
Take Care!
Bewildered

bewildered · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 46

IronMan,
What you said sounds really scary, but don't you think If I stop sending my kids to religion school that this will really help in diminishing any Islamic ideologies that are lingering there?
We don't even do anything religious in the house, except for my other relatives who perform the prayers.
I really don't know if I can find any one who can help me with this.
The one thing I know is that I do not intend to intermingle in the Religious community at all. If I have to move away I'll do that, but I see no need for that since my family and I live in our own little world which is mostly secular.
Is it alright if you say which country your from, and no to all the Majdi's out there, I am not trying to assassinate you.

Thanks and have a great day!
Bewildered