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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| I will practise Islam moderately, peacefully as the Prophet advised. |
Dear ia786,
I am Moderate Nazi.
I practise Nazism moderately,  just like some muslims like you follow Islam moderately.
My Ideology founder is Adolf Hitler, Highly moral man ever lived on the planet. Nazism is most peaceful religion in the World.
My founder Said "Mohammedian Ideology is much more compatibile to us"
So, We Moderate Nazis and Moderate Muslims like you are Close Friends. What do you think Brother ?
Long Live FriendShip with Nazism and Islam !
Hail Mein Kempf ! Hail Koran ! |
Dear Moderate Nazi:
Please stick to one alias. Half a dozen aliases are too many. You could have made your point without creating a new alias. Please choose one alias and ask the moderator to delete all your other aliases.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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humandecency
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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Location: This side of the black stump.
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hello humandecency
I can identify with you and the ad hominems that ia786 sent your way. I was on the receiving end of a variety of words and expressions especially the word "bigot".
It is rather ironic that a muslim can call someone a bigot - here is a definition -
http://64.1911encyclopedia.org/B/BI/BIGOT.htm
BIGOT, one obstinately and intolerantly holding particular religious opinions, who refuses to listen to reason and is ready to force others to agree with him; hence also applied to one who holds similar views on any subject.
If this isn`t a definition of Islam and its adherents I do not know what is. I claim that by this definition, all muslims are bigots as they are ringfenced against reason and logic.
From one victim of ad hominem to another -
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Dear sum,
My complaints are not so much on behalf of myself as ia786 has rarely said anything to me.
But on observing him having discussions with Merlin Emrys, Recovering Leftist and a few others, this was all he was doing, and answering nothing.
Most Muslims seem to major in tuquoque taqqiya whereas this one is majoring in ad hominems.
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sister, you speak this like because you have been mislead.
Read our rebuttals to Ali Sina:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/faithfreedom_rebuttals.htm
Seriously, can you honestly trust this liar named Sina who tampers with evidence, and selectively quotes hadiths?????
By leaving Deen al-Islam you made a huge mistake, and [b]we are trying to make you a Muslim again, by educating you on your Deen.[/b]
Firstly, my advice to you is this:
Leave this Forum immediately!
This is a debate forum, remember that. They aren't here to answer questions. |
Yeah! Good luck. This is like saying to one who has learned the truth, "we are trying to make you ignornat again". The problem is that once a person learns the truth, there is no unlearning. There is a lot of inner battle and uncertainly but no going back.
This is like lifting the blinds from the eyes of someone who has been blindfolded all her life for a moment and then trying to blindfold her and convince here, she has seen nothing. Sorry, it does not work that way.
I challenge you to take Miss Ruby to your site and I encourage her not to come here at all and you guys try your best to convince her she has made a mistake. See how successful you are. It might work for a while, especially if there is pressure on her in her real life, but as soon as those pressures are lifted up, she will get herself free from this web of lies.
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Goku
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
Posts: 4449
Location: England, UK
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ali Sina wrote: |
| QuranSearch.Com wrote: |
Sister, you speak this like because you have been mislead.
Read our rebuttals to Ali Sina:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/faithfreedom_rebuttals.htm
Seriously, can you honestly trust this liar named Sina who tampers with evidence, and selectively quotes hadiths?????
By leaving Deen al-Islam you made a huge mistake, and [b]we are trying to make you a Muslim again, by educating you on your Deen.[/b]
Firstly, my advice to you is this:
Leave this Forum immediately!
This is a debate forum, remember that. They aren't here to answer questions. |
Yeah! Good luck. This is like saying to one who has learned the truth, "we are trying to make you ignornat again". The problem is that once a person learns the truth, there is no unlearning. There is a lot of inner battle and uncertainly but no going back.
This is like lifting the blinds from the eyes of someone who has been blindfolded all her life for a moment and then trying to blindfold her and convince here, she has seen nothing. Sorry, it does not work that way.
I challenge you to take Miss Ruby to your site and I encourage her not to come here at all and you guys try your best to convince her she has made a mistake. See how successful you are. It might work for a while, especially if there is pressure on her in her real life, but as soon as those pressures are lifted up, she will get herself free from this web of lies. |
Thats not true.
We have at least 2 ex apostates on this forum alone, one returned to Islam 4 years after leaving it. I also know another ex apostate on another forum who left Islam for Christianity then returned to Islam. Theres bound to be more ex apostates.
Moresoever, theres a whole site built by ex apostates:
http://www.backtoislam.com/
Your frequent claims on Muslim apostates not being able to return to Islam are baseless and simply highlight your ignorance on the matter. You fail to understand that not everyone is like you.
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baba wawa
Joined: 30 Dec 2005
Posts: 1440
Location: Enjoying the sweet sweet video of Zarqawi's home blowded up
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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There will always be people moving from one religious faith to another - or even between faith and non-faith.
That neither proves nor disproves a particular faith in and of itself.
Cheers,
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Goku,
Where do you stand on Amina escaping hell? Do you agree with Umar of answering christianity that she was brought back to life to accept islam? What are your views on that?
As far as the site by ex-apostate goes, I assure you that I know them and they are no ex-apostates. Muhammedans do lie. You should know that. And that poor MHDurrani guy. Give me a break. What the hell do you expect in Pakistan? So how many testomonies do they have on ex apostates? Please!
And ofcourse there are going to be a few who bounce like ping pong balls, but do yourself a favor and look into the site you are giving the URL to.
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Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!"
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Goku
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: England, UK
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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There will always be people moving from one religious faith to another - or even between faith and non-faith.
That neither proves nor disproves a particular faith in and of itself.
Cheers, |
You missed the point. Read my post again.
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Goku
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: England, UK
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| doubtless wrote: |
Goku,
Where do you stand on Amina escaping hell? Do you agree with Umar of answering christianity that she was brought back to life to accept islam? What are your views on that?
As far as the site by ex-apostate goes, I assure you that I know them and they are no ex-apostates. Muhammedans do lie. You should know that. |
I cannot comment on that issue as I have not read on it.
As for your other comments, next you'll start telling me that Ex-apostate and Mythical_Eagle arent ex apostates, heck you can even tell me that my mate on another forum is not an ex-apostate, after all, you know them all don't you?
Sorry, but you'll have to accept that Muslims DO return to Islam after leaving it.
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Allow the president to invade a neighbouring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose—and you allow him to make war at pleasure, Abraham Lincoln. |
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baba wawa
Joined: 30 Dec 2005
Posts: 1440
Location: Enjoying the sweet sweet video of Zarqawi's home blowded up
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I read your post again.
I'm not sure if we're communicating correctly.
Cheers,
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Goku
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: England, UK
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| baba wawa wrote: |
I read your post again.
I'm not sure if we're communicating correctly.
Cheers, |
I have seen Ali repeatedly say that it is not possible for a Muslim to return to Islam after leaving it, the purpose of that post was to point out that not only is it possible, it has happened.
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| doubtless wrote: |
Goku,
Where do you stand on Amina escaping hell? Do you agree with Umar of answering christianity that she was brought back to life to accept islam? What are your views on that?
As far as the site by ex-apostate goes, I assure you that I know them and they are no ex-apostates. Muhammedans do lie. You should know that. |
I cannot comment on that issue as I have not read on it.
As for your other comments, next you'll start telling me that Ex-apostate and Mythical_Eagle arent ex apostates, heck you can even tell me that my mate on another forum is not an ex-apostate, after all, you know them all don't you?
Sorry, but you'll have to accept that Muslims DO return to Islam after leaving it. |
I edited my comment again to explain what I meant but you had already replied. Take a look there and see what I mean.
How many ex-apostates are there that you know? How many ex-apostates testomonies have you read? The numbers should tell you something right away.
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Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Also, anyone can take any scripture out of context. |
This is not true. I challenge you to take my writings out of context without being caught. Keep in mind that I have never claimed that my writings are infallible. The Quran makes such a claim and yet anyone can interpret it in anyway he wishes. Obviously it is not a clear book. Why a clear book needs interpretation and tafseer? Shouldn't the word of God be clear enough? The Quran is the only book that can't be understood without the help of external texts. This shows that despite its claim to be clear, it is the most obtuse book ever written.
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| Ali Sina inteprets the Qur'an as he wills, and NOT THE WAY AS IT IS TO BE INTERPRETED, yet you fell victim to his trap. |
I am not interpreting the Quran. I merely quote it the way it is written. Miss Ruby has a brain of her own. She is not a fool to listen to me or anyone else. As far as she is concerned we are nothing but internet aliases. We could even be "Christian missionareis" or "Jewish Zionists" as some Muslims like to think. So no one in his or her right mind should trust someone on the Internet. This is not certainly what we are asking people to do. We want them to use their own brain and not follow anyone else including a charlatan called Muhammad.
She is starting to learn that she can use her own judgement and this is both exciting and frightening. It's no differet from a bird fledging her wings and trying to fly for the first time.
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doubtless
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Mythical Eagel is certainly not an ex apostate. He was muslim youth and has never ever been an apostate. His apostasy lasted perhaps a split second Lol!.
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Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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baba wawa
Joined: 30 Dec 2005
Posts: 1440
Location: Enjoying the sweet sweet video of Zarqawi's home blowded up
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
| baba wawa wrote: |
I read your post again.
I'm not sure if we're communicating correctly.
Cheers, |
I have seen Ali repeatedly say that it is not possible for a Muslim to return to Islam after leaving it, the purpose of that post was to point out that not only is it possible, it has happened. |
Ah, now I see your point. I didn't get that from your post - sorry about that. (It was rather long, and like most Americans, I have the attention span of a Labrador Retriever - I can focus on something until LOOKIT THAT BIRD UP THERE!)
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Goku
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: England, UK
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I edited my comment again to explain what I meant but you had already replied. Take a look there and see what I mean.
How many ex-apostates are there that you know? How many ex-apostates testomonies have you read? The numbers should tell you something right away. |
No testimonies, it just sprung up in a conversation I was having. So far, its only 1 person I know of outside FFI. But I wasnt looking for ex apostates as such, the topic just came up, mainly as a result of my comment on Christianity. ( dont worry, it wasnt a negative comment, just an assertion of the role of preists)
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