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[Goku]

[Ali Sina]

[Ali Sina]

[QuranSearch.Com]

Again Another laughable attempt made by Ali Sina's pet.

Seriously you really make Ali proud with your horrible rebuttals:

Which century is this reference from QuranSearch? Now let us see the convolutions that the muhammedan is using here. Bukahri who is reputed to have know by memory 70,000 hadeeth spent a life time sorting and culling and deciding which traditions of muhammed were genuinine and were to be kept. His birth dates are from 196 to 265 Hijri (i.e. 196 years after muhammed left mecca for medina) and he died in 265 Hijri. Imam Muslim who sorted through 300000 hadeeth to come up with his collection was from 202 to 261 Hijri. Now the author of Dar Qutni is 306 to 385 Hijri. The gap between muhammed and Bukhari and Muslim is bad enough but to get to Dar Qutni is an additional 70 years atleast ( given the compilation does not start till he was 30). Now Quran Search knows that the Hadith by Muslim takes precedence over those that came later and this one is a century later. So the magic of what they want muhammed to say begins. Is that it muhammedan?

The above in no way refutes what M. Tayyib Baksh Budayuni concludes, and that is:

All these facts show that the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessing sof Allah be upon him) died non-Muslims, as their death occured when there was no Islam. But later on, at the request of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) God revived them to life, and they embraced Islam. This is nothing but a miracle.

Obviously doubtless will deny this because it mentions the Prophet (S) doing a miracle, which throws her trash argument away.

Moreover, its not just Dar Qutni, its Khatib Baghdadi, Ibn Asakir, Ibn Shahin and others.

So the best source the muhammedan can come up with is a very weak hadeeth obviously rejected by Bukhari, Muslim and the other Imams and put in Dar Qutni. One can imagine that the muslims were starting to be bothered by the harshness of Allah just as these muhammedans are and are unable to live with the truth. So one way or another the parents of muhammed have to be saved.

Nonsense! You keep repeating about Dar Qutni, but forget that other Imams mention the narration as well.

And again, Doubtless shows how he or she needs to go back to school, and read, as the issue of this narration not being narrated in the Sihah Sittah is ALSO REFUTED IN THE REPORT:

The author of Subul al-Salam has discussed this point in greater detail. He has mentioned a report quoted by Allama Tahtavi. The report says that a certain scholar thought over this report quoted on the authority of Aisha (may God be pleased with her). He thought that if the report had been correct, the compilers of the Sihah Sittah (the Six Authentic) must haev mentioned it. He remained thinking over this throughout the whole night. He was much restless and worried that while dozing he got a part of his skirt burnt in the flame of the lamp. In the morning a certain soldier came to invite him to his house for braekfast. While on his way to the house of the soldier, the scholar had to pass through a forest. When he was passing through the jungle, he saw a green-grocer selling vegetables under a tree. Seeing the scholar the vegetable seller stopped his horse and recited the following verses to him:

(I have faith in the fact that the parents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) were brought back to life by God, the Omni-Potent, till they embraced Islam and stood witness to his prophethood; and this was a miracle. He who does not believe in the veracity of thisHadith is himself away from reality.) The vegetable seller told him that the compilers of the Six Sihah had found thousands of Hadith to be quite correct.[b] But their collections contain in them only a few thousand Ahadith. He told him that if the narrators of hadith were men worthy of trust, the Hadith reported on their authority must be accepted. He further told the scholar that he was going to have his breakfast at the house of a man whose income was all illegal. The scholar wanted to ask him something more. But, lo! the vegetable seller was gone. Where and how, God knows better. The poor scholar returned home dozed and astonished. People whom he met on his way back told him that they had never seen any vegetable seller in that jungle.

'Allama Ibn Hajar, too, in his book Umm al-Qura has mentioned this hadith with his own comments thereon. He holds it tobe quite true and dependable. [/b]

Now, lets go back and see Doubtless horrible attempt regarding the hadith in Bukhari:

Now let us take a look at the next excuse to save muhammed's father from hell and that is even funnier:
Look at the words used "They say that muhammed meant his uncle was in Hell" and not his father. Who is this "They"? Then everyone has heard Abu and Abba and the arabic word for father is rooted in Ab. And suddenly Ab means Uncle by this mysterious "They". is that it Quran Search? This is worse than pathetic! This is truly muhammedan scholarship!

The arabic word for father is أب
(Ab). The arabic word for uncle is عمة
(Umtah). Now how do you make Ab into uncle? Depend upon the ingenuity of the muhammedans!! Now read the explanation being offered. And that is a lie as well. Go ahead QuranSearch show where the uncle of whoever is referred to as Ab in the Quran. Care to do that? Do you understand the difference between an arabic 'b' and a 'd' ? Go look it up and if you do not find it come back and I will show you, muhammedan.
The rest of the references are meaningless because they are commentaries essentially by no bodies of third hand accounts with any references of the original sources and is mere words.

Again, the above does not refute what the commentators say?:

In the al-Sahih of BUkhari there is a report mentioned on the authority of Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) that some one asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) about his own father. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told him that his father was in Hell. Hearing this that a man became much sad. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told that man that his father and his own father were both in Hell. In this report the word used is Ab. Commentators, while commenting on this report have mentioned that the Prophet used the word Ab and this word as is used in the Qur'an for Adhar, the uncle of Abraham, gives the meanings of Uncle. They say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) meant his uncle Abu Talib was in Hell.

I guess scholar Doubtless will now correct commentators of Hadith like Hafaz Ibn Hajar, and Imam Nawawi etc.!

The Uncle who saves an orphan can still go to hell and that is comment on the dynamics of the muhammedan family even in the present.

Is that the best you can do Umar? Shame on you muhammedan, shame on you!

(Yawn).

The main point is which you can answer without fighting over muslim mythology and dreams of amina, and lights coming of vaginas and lighting up damascus:

Can a muslim pray for a Kaffirs welfare?

Regarding that, we find:

Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and member of the Fiqh Council of North America, answers:

“You should implore Almighty Allah to guide your parents to the path of Islam. This will be your best prayer for them and there is no love greater than that you pray to Allah the Exalted to open their hearts to the truth, bless them in this life, and protect them from the punishment of the hellfire in the Hereafter.

In addition to praying for them, you should also call them to Islam. You can explain to them that Islam is the way of all Prophets and Messengers of Almighty Allah; all true Prophets and Messengers were Muslims, including Jesus, as well as the rest of other Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all).

You should also tell them that when they accept Islam they will go back to their original faith because they were born Muslims, but due to outside influences they became Christians.

You should also show them the good example of a true Muslim, who treats his parents, be they Muslims or non-Muslims, with kindness and respect.

Finally, I pray to Allah the Almighty to bless you and your parents with the true faith and guidance."

(Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503543246&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaE )

In light of the foregoing, one can conclude that praying for a Non-Muslim is allowed in Islam.

And you can keep throwing you little children tanturms, muhammedans. You have been told from day 1: ONLY WRITTEN DEBATES.

Whatever coward, its obvious your boss is a coward and stupid, and you inherited those traits from him

[Ali Sina]

[SherKhan]

[doubtless]

Muhammedan Umar,

Look at the names you are quoting and which one of those names is the earliest in history among those? Whose hadith is being used if not Dar Quni? Why do you lie so pathetically or you did not know? I bet you did not. You merely read and that was it and you never thought. Is that it? Another braindead muhammedan!

And now you are claiming that a Muslim can pray for the general welfare of a Kaffir?

I want you to answer that clearly in your own words. I want to make sure that you are clearly saying that a muslim can pray for the welfare of Kufr. Please be informed that I will forward your answer to a few brothers so they may know the Islam that answering christianity guys are now preaching. So do not run away. Please state it unambiguously. Do not quote Dr. Siddiqui from Kentucky but say it in your own words. Do you see that Siddiqui is very careful. You can pray so the Kaffir can accept Islam. That is only prayer allowed. That is what Siddiqui is saying you "very smart muhammedan". I am asking you if a kaffir is sick or dying, can you pray for the kaffir to get better and healthy? Do not run. Answer it in your own words, muhammedan.

Lol! Do you even understand what the implication is that Muhammeds parents had to be brought to life for them to accept islam? How stupid is your Allah? But you are to dense to know why that explanation really tells about Islam. Do not worry, I will tell you that after I get the verse of the Quran where uncle become Ab. That is hilarious!! People coming to life to accept Islam! And then after they accepted Islam what did Allah do? Kill them right away? Think you muhammedan think for a second.
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Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."

Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!"

[doubtless]

[patriot]

[isLIEm.]

[Ali Sina]

[SirZubair]

[b]Ali Sinner Said :[/b]
[quote]Send all the Muslims out of the West. They are all the same. Disgusting is a mild word.[/quote]

Im a muslim living in the west,everyday i spread the message of peace among Muslims,Christians and Jews.And i know many others that do the same.

So saying crap such as "they are all the same" is unfair Ali.

Its like,me saying something like "Ali sucked off a dog and then let it impregenate his mother.."

See,i dont have proof,so i wont say it :) so until you can prove that "all muslims are the same",please excerise your rights to keep your mouth shut. :)

[Ali Sina]

[SirZubair]

Mr Sinner,re-read your post.

I wont point out the hypocricy,i'll let you figure it out youself since you know it all :)

Wa'salaam.

p.s i dont have to prove anything to you,if you ever come to NewZealand,PM me and i'll give you my address,we can meet and discuss this further.

..just leave your Gun behind,because im dont fight people,i only fight my Naffs. :)

[SirZubair]

Anyway,i've said all i have to say.

Peace :roll:

Take care everybody. :)

Wa'salaam

-Zubair