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Kanad
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 Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:49 am Post subject: apostates |
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| More Muslims would leave Islam in Islamic countries if the Muslims stop killing, beating, exiling, and insulting the Islam leavers. |
Silent apostates are more than half population in islam lands. |
Silent apostates are the most dangerous type. They are the ones which give the Muslim head count as 1.2 billion. Which in turn translates into Muslim Jihadis. Now figure.
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Imran
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| shima wrote: |
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| More Muslims would leave Islam in Islamic countries if the Muslims stop killing, beating, exiling, and insulting the Islam leavers. |
Silent apostates are more than half population in islam lands. |
Yes Shima you are right. Many Muslims want to question about Islam but they cannot because of that I mentioned in my last post. Listen, the Muslims will insult you wihtout being angry. They will kill you when they are angry. I believe 99% Muslims fall into at least one or both of these categories. I am now working on an article that I will post in the next few days or so. There you will get proof.
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DoctorNO
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| wow, I didn´t know i was so dangerous!!! You mean dangerous like Mother Teresa, Saint Francis, Mozart, Haydn, Bruckner, Thomas Aquinas, Tolkien, Edith Stein, Gregor Mendel, Marshall Mcluhan, .... right? |
Hey I didnt say that all catholics are dangerous, I dont even think that the majority are.  Catholics are mostly good people. I love em. Most of my relatives are catholics & I dont have a problem with that. I only think that fundies are better.
Christianity in general had evolved to be a good and very peaceful religion. Whether Catholicism or Protestantism. 
Yeah hooray to Mother Theresa! |
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DoctorNO
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Couldn't find an equivalent english site. Google revealed a book-review of the first book that started to question the Mother Teresa myth.
[url=http://www.population-security.org/swom-96-09.htm]
Exposing Mother Teresa: Hitchens? Book A Devastating Insight. JOHN M. SWOMLEY debunks the myth of Mother Teresa, who has been unjustly built into a near-saint by the media, by way of a review of the book, The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa In Theory And Practice, by Christopher Hitchens. From: THE HUMAN QUEST, SEPTEMBER -- OCTOBER, 1996[/url]
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Oh sh it. Was Mother Theresa a joke? A Catholic Propaganda. Damn. And I love using her as an example to waggle at the muslims.  |
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ohmyrus
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Christianity has universal appeal and not just to poor Africans. Take a look at this link:
http://www.nationbynation.com/Korea/Population.html
The link shows that South Korea's Christian population is about 49%. The figure was something like 2% in 1960! Christianity is growing fast in East Asia. In general, Jesus's message of love has wider appeal than Mohammed's message of hate. Interestingly, it is the better educated Koreans that find Christianity appealing, according to another article I read.
But more important is what is happening in China. Take a look at this link:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/107/33.0.html
According to former Time magazine Beijing Bureau chief, David Aiken, Christianity is spreading fast in China. If the trend continues, according to Aiken, China will have 25% Christian population in 25 years time. He wrote a book about this called, "Jesus in Beijing."
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| But at the present rate of growth in China, it's possible that within 20 to 30 years, 20 to 30 percent of the Chinese will be Christian, which would take place about the same time China is emerging as a number two superpower in the world. |
I wish he had not written the book because it caused a crackdown in China
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freidenker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: |
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@ohmyrus:
The CIA factbook has South Korea at 26% Christian.
Of course these statistics will always be vague. In Austria, 77% are listed as catholics. But 16% of those don't even believe in god and only a third believes the resurection. Polls have shown that even a substantial share of clerics are unbelievers. The term "Christian" can mean lots of things. Most people have multiple beliefs and are actually a little bit of this and a little bit of that. 25-year extrapolations have to be taken with a grain of salt.
But whatever the correct numbers are, there are still no substantial inroads on Islam. Christianity grows at the expense of Buddhism and Conficianism. |
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| But whatever the correct numbers are, there are still no substantial inroads on Islam. Christianity grows at the expense of Buddhism and Conficianism. |
I assume you mean Confucianism. No, it was never meant to be a religion, and it never was. It is just an old school Chinese philosophy that even the Chinese themselves don't follow today. Therefore, it has no expense for Christianity to grow at.
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freidenker
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| But whatever the correct numbers are, there are still no substantial inroads on Islam. Christianity grows at the expense of Buddhism and Conficianism. |
I assume you mean Confucianism. No, it was never meant to be a religion, and it never was. It is just an old school Chinese philosophy that even the Chinese themselves don't follow today. Therefore, it has no expense for Christianity to grow at.
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Well, what can I say. The CIA factbook claims South Korea to be 1% Confucianist. Some Buddhists claim that Buddhism was never meant to be a religion either. Whatever these folks are, they are clearly not muslims. |
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gupsfu
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| Well, what can I say. The CIA factbook claims South Korea to be 1% Confucianist. Some Buddhists claim that Buddhism was never meant to be a religion either. Whatever these folks are, they are clearly not muslims. |
I see. I guess such gross misunderstanding about religions had ultimately led to the US government's failure to prevent the 9/11 tragedy.
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freidenker
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| Well, what can I say. The CIA factbook claims South Korea to be 1% Confucianist. Some Buddhists claim that Buddhism was never meant to be a religion either. Whatever these folks are, they are clearly not muslims. |
I see. I guess such gross misunderstanding about religions had ultimately led to the US government's failure to prevent the 9/11 tragedy. |
I don't get that joke. :( |
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brave_soul
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Phed
I am against homosexuality, yet I am not Christian. I am an atheist.
So it is necassary that we should not attribute some of the social concepts specifically to Christianity. |
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Phedippedes
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Phed
I am against homosexuality, yet I am not Christian. I am an atheist. |
Well what's your beef with a women loving another woman or a man loving another man?
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| So it is necassary that we should not attribute some of the social concepts specifically to Christianity. |
I agree. I do think I never suggested anything of the kind though. |
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roshan
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| Missionaries tend to focus on those who are uneducated about their religion. Even the Jehovah's Witnesses know this. If you know your stuff about whatever wordview you have and can defend it, they put you on a list and won't bother you again. Missionaries don't focus on clerics, but rather on ordinary folks. On top of that, they focus on those who are in a transition, in a time of change. Those who change something about their lives tend to be more open for change in other areas, such as belief, as well. |
This is very true. I have met several Hindu converts to fundamentalist Christianity and all of them have number 1 and most also have number 2 below:
1. They dont know even the basics of Hinduism.
2. They underwent some sort of personal tragedy like a divorce before their conversion.
In my family, the only christian is an older cousin of mine who converted after her divorce. During this time she was obviously in a very vulnerable state and was very lonely. Her Christian friends immediately set to work trying to bring her to their Church etc like a pack of vultures in order to convert her. I think that using other peoples pain and suffering to brainwash them is really disgusting and I have no respect for people who do this.
And they also prey on ignorance. I had a Hindu who converted to Christianity asking me "Why do the Hindu gods punish people by making them reincarnate when the Christian God forgives them" when in Hinduism there is no concept of divine punishment, karma and reincarnation are viewed as laws that govern the universe just like gravity etc. |
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Jamuka
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Actually the real reason why a Hindu leaves Hinduism and embraces Christianity or any other religion is simply because of support.
What does it matter if the fundemental teachings of Hinduism are more enlightening then Christianity when in reality Chrstians are far more humane then Hindus? To this very day, casteism is rife and practised in India. Low castes are treated like sh!t off the ground. Maybe casteism does not exist in Hinduism's teachings but what does it matter if Hindus practise it? Most people when leaving one religion for another and the reason is usually out of support. It is like leaving one club to join another simply because the other club members treat you better.
I still contend that India is a shithole today because of Hinduism. I can't wait for all low caste Hindus to embrace Christianity. At least there will be a glimmer of hope for these people.
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diotima64
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Dear Jamuka,
"What does it matter if the fundemental teachings of Hinduism are more enlightening then Christianity when in reality Chrstians are far more humane then Hindus?"
Can you really call someone enlightened if he does not behave in a humane way? Might Christianity not have something to do with the humane behaviour? What kind of enlightenment turns a country into a "shithole"? |
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