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| Should FFI keep the "other religions" section? |
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| Keep it but norrow it down to other Abrahamic religions |
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| Discard it but adopt PNphpBB's forums: Islam Compared to Other Religions, Morality & Religion, God, Science vs. Religion |
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| None of the above (please explain) |
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject: Other Religions |
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enlightened108
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like this forum privides platform for hindus and shikhs to fight with eachother.Well nothing wrong with it but they should open their own forum, collect money and then fight with eachother. Or if hidus wants to fight with hindus, shiks with sikhs they can always got to their place of worship and can get good publicity |
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roshan

Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3043 Location: Maya
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I am neutral regarding the other religions forums. One one hand I like discussing in them and on the other hand I acknowledge that they dont further the sites purpose and only distract from it. However if they are removed then I doubt that I would stay here for long or visit here often.
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I honestly dont think that such forums are needed. They are just going to clutter up the page and will probably be bordering on being completely empty. |
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PeaceOnEarth

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 1564 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Comparing religions get you nowhere. People end up digging their heels and get entrenched in defence of their own religious beliefs.
They get into arguments like "if you think XXX religion did this then how about YYY doing ...".
I vote to discard them. Let us keep the focus here. |
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mhw20854
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: other religions |
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I agree that the proliferation of topics detracts from the dialogue and would vote for limiting the topics to those that concern Islam
There could be a section linking discussions of other religions
granted this somewhat goes against the name of the site "faithfreedom" but that's a rational price to pay to achieve a greater focus |
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roshan

Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3043 Location: Maya
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Its also possible to have a completely seperate message board for the discussion of other religions, that way those that want the site focused on Islam and those that want to discuss other things as well can be happy. |
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Hinduwoman
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 268 Location: India
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I voted for comapring Islam with other religions, because religion is a social issue. BUT I would suggest that it be an experment first. If the posters can behave in a scholarly manner, well and good. If it becomes a slanging match as it happened before then close it down permanently. _________________ May logic and reason always prevail over 'feel-good' factor |
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Mughal
Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1211 Location: Islamabad,Pakistan Glasgow,Scotland
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Dear friends,
greetings.
Originally I supported the idea for using other religions to attract people of different relgions to this forum so that we could help them become aware of true islam and so that if they were having problem discussing their own religions like us then they too could have a place. Now that many many people from amongst nonmuslims have become aware of true islam and that many other foruns have come about without restrictions, I would agree that such forums no longer serve such purpose. Perhaps as some of the people here have suggested we should remove them.
However, I still see the need for expanding on aspects of islam to continue putting out good information about islam for references at least. So that when people from this forum go on other forums to debate, they have backing reference materials easily available to them. I also think that we should keep rationality sections as well because our that aim remains unfulfilled, which is helping muslims to educate themselves in becoming more rational so that they themselves could see the problems islam poses.
So a bit narrowing down here and a bit expansion over there is not a bad idea. Perhaps we should also consider controlling the flow of information as well. Useless threads and posts may not be allowed to continue. Also we should have a section for debates wherein only debating posters should be allowed. This would prevent cluttering and messing up of the said threads.
And yes, some kind of entertainment section should also be continued so that we all continue having some fun as well. Being serious all the time is not good for human health.
Regards and all the best. _________________ All the best from Mughal at http://www.religionandsecularism.gq.nu/favorite_links.html |
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IoshkaFutz

Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3895 Location: Caput Mundistan
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: Keep it crazy |
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Hello people,
Well now I can't get in with my old name (Steven Luotto)... so it'll have to be IoshkaFutz.
I'm for all religions and all topics being able to find a place here at FFI... All that is required is proper "threading."
A discussion forum about "faith" must be broader in scope than heaven, hell and earth.
There must be a table for everyone at this café, without waiters lingering by snarling "No you can't talk about that!"
If Hindus and Sikhs, Papists and Baptists,Athiests and cynics, Finnish Democrats and Australian Nazis choose FFI to battle one another... so much the better.
The minute we start focusing, FFI loses its most precious asset: it's special 360 degree lens upon the universe.
Please let's not be afraid of some healthy chaos nor of strident antagonism between groups! |
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R_Nelson

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 582 Location: West of the North Pole
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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re: Should FFI keep the "other religions" section?
I voted to keep it.
If there is no special section devoted to other religions, then the main forum will be cluttered with people griping about other religions. This clutter would be very anoying. |
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Chanakya
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 4005
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Keep it..
Just discussing Islam day in and out can be very boring and repetitious.
Other religion forum increases the number of visitors on the site and this is beneficial for the main message of the forum to get out. |
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Neutral Singh
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Sat Sri Akal
I submit my Vote to keep the other religions section but there should be a group of moderators too, who have some basic knowledge these religion and can ably use some discretion with some of the unwanted so-called religious representatives as suggested by Spinoza as well...
Keep it... other wise it would be tooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring...
I think there should be some sort of pruning of useless and aimless threads periodically... there is no sense in keeping dead threads hanging out burdening the bandwidth...
Chardee Kalaa
PS.: FFI with no posts looks so much peacefull... I like this calmness sometimes... and I dont see the smileys too... |
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Yohan
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 7684 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Keep it..
Just discussing Islam day in and out can be very boring and repetitious.
Other religion forum increases the number of visitors on the site and this is beneficial for the main message of the forum to get out. |
I support Chanakya's view on this topic and voted to keep it. |
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pilgrim
Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 2054
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hinduwoman wrote: |
| I voted for comapring Islam with other religions, because religion is a social issue. BUT I would suggest that it be an experment first. If the posters can behave in a scholarly manner, well and good. If it becomes a slanging match as it happened before then close it down permanently. |
The purpose of a good debate is to persuade through the power of the word. But debators should not expect instant results.
Words such as you are bigot, ignorant, narrow minded are usless powerful words. They are appropriate for a brawl. They were extensivly used, and worst epithet gushing from bruised emotions rather than calm minds, in the original and successor forum (last one that went down).
And I would say that a good number of forummers are miseducated about the subjects they discuss. They are incapable of placing events of present and past within the context of circumstances and prevailing condidions. Take the issue of slavery or example. It was a universally practiced institution. Some 200 hundred years ago, the West through predominant power and other factors, used its force to put a stop to most of the international slave trading and possesion of slaves. Even ideologois that oppose slavery, their followers practiced slavery. Yet many forummers in a fit of anger make obtuse charges and counter charges about slavery.
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ciao Old timer steve
what does the new name mean?
IoshkaFutz.
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| There must be a table for everyone at this café, without waiters lingering by snarling "No you can't talk about that!" |
With respect to relogions, in addition to "Islam, maybe initially add "All Other Religions", or "Non Belief" plus "All Other relogions". This will provide a venue to discuss other religions. Hindus and Sikhs can go at each other to provide some first class entertainment till it gets boring. Everyone would have a chance to go after Christianity to provide more frivilous entertinment. Forummers who wish would be able to wail and sing dirges and recite balads of exaggerated attrocities committed against long ago dead ancestors.
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Posted by Mughal: Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject:
Originally I supported the idea for using other religions to attract .........
........ aware of true islam and that many other foruns have come about without restrictions, I would agree that such forums no longer serve such purpose. Perhaps as some of the people here have suggested we should remove them.
However, I still see the need for expanding on aspects of islam to continue putting out good information about islam for references at least. So that when people from this forum go on other forums to debate, they have backing reference materials easily available to them. I also think that we should keep rationality sections as well because our that aim remains unfulfilled, which is helping muslims to educate themselves in becoming more rational so that they themselves could see the problems islam poses. |
I believe that Mughals ideas form a good basis for designing the new forum.
The forum can be expanded gradually to fill evolving needs. I do not see a reason to start it with a unique section for each religion besides Islam.
Under Islam, all other religions and their characterstics can still be discussed when pertinent to the topics of Islam that get discussed. However, The Islamic sections should not be cluttered with topics about non Islamic issues written by forummers with grievances about non Muslims. They detract from the objective of FFI. Forummers with serious or frivolous ideas about other than Islam should be firmly reminded to place such discussions in the "All Religions" or "Non Belief" sections.
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1- I abstained from voting
2- two days ago I was able to log to the old (original) forum under my old I. D. After I logged out I could not relog. There were a number of posts dated 3/6/04. Can any one explain?
best regards |
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bintjahsh
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 69 Location: inside a burqa
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I abstain. It's your site. You decide.
On FFI's main site it says:
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We fight Islam not because it is a religion but because it IS NOT.
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By saying Islam compared to "other" religions and Islam an Abrahamic faith, then we're contradicting ourselves. |
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