Islam Was My Nightmare, by Jutta

rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

Hello,

I am very disturbed about all this comments, I am fairly sorry for what happened to your husband. Truely he deviated from the real context of islam, I am a muslim girl who have been living in the US, I have the freedom to work and go to school and drive my own success. Yet i still pray and fast and devote god. I have friends including men and women but I do not cross my line with them. they are all dear to me. My life is balanced and Islam is what gives my life the glow it needs.

I just wanted to let you know that islam isnt about terrorism or extremist, if you talk to true muslims they will join you to the dislike of these extremes. The Islamic religion had a history of compasion even at states of war in the old era, the propher requested his army not to hurt a child, nor a women, or an old man, or religion man as he is praying (even if he was praying in a different religion)...not to destroy plants or houses.....not to tourture prisoners.....all this high morality....

islam repsected women and treated them specaily, the man is responsible to provide love and care for her, a man is NOT allowed to hit his wife, this was driven by a story from the prophet, he had this wooden stick in his mouth, a very thin small one, and his wife did something wrong, the prophet looked at her and tabbed her wife the thin stick he had. that was a symbol of letting her know its something wrong, he did not hit her and the man is not allowed to do that.

Another story was about Omar bin al Khatab, a very famous islamic figure in the old islam era, he was known for his power and manhood. when the prophet died he was given the leadreship after abo baker....a man was married to this women who always screamed at him and made his life hell ...he got very upset one day and told her he was going to complain to Omar bin al khatab and see what he tells them, he goes to omars house and he knocks then walks away,....omar opens the door and call him ....why are you leaving, what did you come for, the man tells him that he was going to complain to him about his wife, but when he was standing at the door he heard omar's wife screaming at her husband, so if the muslims leader is getting preched by his wife why should any man be mad about his wife.....Omar smiled and told him, shes my wife, i love her, she takes care of me, she raises my kids, she carried my kids ...if she gets mad i am better off letting her vent it out because i appreciate her......

All i ask for is not to judge a religion from a story or two, there are many extremist in every religion and every country, that doesnt let us generalize the whole group based on a small number and hate them.

rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

you are so ignorant....truely....did u even read any books about islam....i bet all your information comes from CNN which puts selective news or from your social conversations....my advice to you know first what you are talking about before throwing it...you are raciest and your attacking a bunch of people based on some stories....i know amazing muslims and i love them.......i dont watch the news about someone who kills his girlfriend in NY and then call all americans murders...because thats ignorant generalization......islam is a beautiful religion...and these extremist are only 10% of the muslims...the other 90% are great people....unfortunatly you only pick the 10% as your example....

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rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

I am glade you are trying to dig more into this before juding it. I am not sure which verse of the koran is this since its in english, you can send me the aya number and I can tell you the meaning of it.....

There is another one that says the man are superior to the women in their mind and religion.....alot of people interpet this as the men better then the women intellectually and they are better people indeed....its WRONG....the real meaning is:
the women get their period once every month so they can not pray or fast in that week, for that the man can pray for a whole month vs 3 weeks.....and about the mind .....when women give birth they forget the pain so they can get pregnant again and not fear the coming pain. thats whats ment by it, women are blessed with fogretting the pain and moving on.......

I do know that the women has to satisfy her husband and the man should satisfy his wife....its a mutual rule not one way.....to avoid cheating out of deprivation....and for the part of the man putting his wife on the right track it is that god is telling the man, your responsible for your family, if your wife does something wrong do let her know....HITTING or abuse is not part of islam.....its just telling the man not to stay silent when seeing something wrong.... and do let her know you think its wrong.....

rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

For the other 7adeth....i still need to see the source of it....the Koran is the only 100% garanteed source...for hadeth it has to be motafaq...which mean muslim and Bokhari have the same hadethh and the same chain of people who told it and even then its not 100% correct....the prophet never hurt his wife...and i never heard of this hadith before.

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Anna Doe · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:21 am Post subject:

10% of 1300 millions is 13 millions of extremists. How can we forget them? (if really they are 10%, any muslims can become a terrorist anytime)

Your comparaison with the man killing his girlfriend in NY is wrong. If this man killed his girlfriend because he is following his prophet's example, and like him, hundreds of men, then you have what is happening in islam.

It's like beheading. Sadly you have also a few non-muslims beheaders. But muslims behead because it is written in the koran and not because of a sick perversion.

Can a true muslim be against stoning of a adulterer? Can a true muslim be against hanging of a apostate? Can a true muslim be against the maiming of a thief? Can a true muslim be against the murder of an animist? I am really asking here: Can a true muslim be against what mohamed said a true muslim is?

Rasha7982, what are you? A muslim who agree with sex slave, maiming and female genital mutilation or an ignorant muslim? Because you live in the US, you can't excuse your submission to allah because of fear. Here you are free to leave this barbaric cult of death.

Here are my two types of muslims, those who agree and those who fear. Less you agree, more you fear. When we are ignorant of a movement like nazism or islam, we are doomed to finish one of the two if we don't wake up enough early.

Tell me how can you follow the same religion than the 10%? Why only islam has a so big percentage of bloody religious criminals?

[color=indigo]Why do I have the feeling that Rasha doesn't know about the mariage of mohamed to aisha when she was 6 and that he put his sex between her thighs (mufa’khathat) for 3 years until he decided she was ready for sex and raped her when she was 9 year old?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

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http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD106005
Bahraini Women's Rights Activist Ghada Jamshir Attacks Islamic Clerics for Issuing Fatwas Authorizing Sexual Abuse of Infants.
The following are excerpts from an interview with Bahraini women's rights activist Ghada Jamshir, which aired on Al-Arabiya TV on December 21, 2005.
TO VIEW THIS CLIP, VISIT: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=978.
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Ghada Jamshir: "the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah marriages. Does the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah according to the following classification: 'Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs.' They have: 'Pleasure from sexual touching,' 'pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts.' 'Pleasure from a little girl.' Do you know what 'pleasure from a little girl' means? It means that they derive sexual pleasure from a girl aged two, three, or four."
Interviewer: "Let's not go into details..."
Ghada Jamshir: "Let me tell you what 'pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs' means..."
Interviewer: "Don't give me the details..."
Ghada Jamshir: "This is a violation of children's rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does 'pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs' mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months? "Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Shari'a authorizes this?"

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Quote from the islamic site doing fatwas:
Praise Allah and peace be upon the prophet:
After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented by Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Bashry, whose question was forwarded by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 7/5/1421 (Islamic calendar).

The inquirer asked the following:
It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers- may Allah be pleased with her.

The following link provides independent evidence that the above fatwah does indeed exist: http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8330. In the above link Islamic scholar Dr Ahmad Al-Hajj Al-Kurdi comments on the fatwah in question. He is responding to a person who is asking whether or not the fatwah actually exists, and whether or not Muhammad committed this action. In response he says that Muhammad most probably did this after he consummated the marriage at 9 rather than when she was 6. His point of contention therefore is concerning when Muhammad did this to the little girl, and not whether or not he did it.

We also read:
Fatwah 23672:
The inquirer asks: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?"
The imam answers her by saying: "Do not harm her if she cannot take intercourse but you may hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs" i.e. “thigh” her, as the fatwah in question indicates. (http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=23672&Option=FatwaId&x=40&y=13)

The disgusting action which the fatwah describes is allowed to all other Sunni Muslims as can be seen by the following 3 fatwahs found:
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=23672&Option=FatwaId&x=48&y=16
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=13190&Option=FatwaId&x=54&y=11
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=3907&Option=FatwaId&x=46&y=11

3)"It is clear that Muhammad had intercourse with Aisha when she was 9 years old (I have many islamic fatwas and islamic texts confirming this if you want). Since girls at that age are not fully mature either physically, emotionally, or psychologically, we know that it is wrong for a man, regardless of his age, to engage a child in sexual relations. No other conclusion can be drawn. No one would expect a real prophet of a
righteous God to engage in, justify, allow, and prescribe for his followers such an malignant act.

Muhammad established a appalling precedent for Islam, Muslims, and
young girls (among others many more other barbaric customs). This was not based upon wisdom, knowledge, or science, but only
upon his culture, desires, actions, and teachings. He should be judged as a man who established child abuse as a norm in Islam.

Does an Arab CUSTOM of having sexual intercourse with young girls
after their first menstrual cycle, mitigate the action of a 52 year old man who claimed to be a Prophet of God? Or is the fact that Muhammad followed these customs and had sexual intercourse with Aisha at the age of 9 years, while she is still playing with toys to be overlooked? That's for you to decide."
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rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

heheheh....i lived in Oman, I lived in Jordan and I lived in the USA.....In the three countries I had the same type of personal freedom and I was treated with respect....same thing to all my muslim friends and to my family......to my uncles and aunts and cosins...all women are treated well....if anything i would say the men are treated little less than what they deserve

i know what you are saying, you are lookin at afganistan, and i do agree with you.....most of these people are so messed up....but i can tell you with every word i learned about islam...what they are doing isnt what God or the prophet wanted....they are shaping islam to their political needs...islam is nothing about terrorism and killing or humliation of women....islam is a beautiful religion.....and as you know some are ignorant and some are not....i hope my reply helps you in improving your thoughts of islam....please read some more about it.....truely alot of people stabbed its reputation....
which is just unjust :(

rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

alright....well i am a muslim of a palestinian origin....i do not fear anythin but god...i dont fear a man controlling me.....for those women who has men abusing them...then i feel sad for them for making the wrong choice....domestic violence is in every culture...in the states too...prophet mohammad may god have his mercy on him never abused or hit any of his wives.....and many koran verses mentioned that the man should take care of his wife and never abuse her and if he did then he should fear god because god put him to take care of her not hurt her.....when a man hits his wife he is just creating his own rule just like when it happens in any culture...he is not following islam in that one.....for the other things you mentioned like adultary...it is forbidden in christanity and judism....but taken into consideration that the bible was altered to the peoples political needs across time.....there are 7 original bibles left and they are hidden from the public.....adultery is wrong for many reasons....because of diseases.....because of genitical problems....because it will be hard to track whos the son of who.....protastands for example also believe in sex after marriage.....
when god created these rules he didnt put exeptions...there are billions of people on this planet and if everyone does it the world will be full of disease and social problems.....for that we are all bounded to these rules.....but even though god made the punishment really hard to get...if someone does adultary then he can only be punished if 4 witnesses were avaiable...i mena come on what are the chances you will find 4 witnesses in such cases...god deals with each person sepratly....punishing him by people is done only if he admits it or if 4 others saw him which means it was public enough for people to know and for it to be sth for others to learn from....

here is a story for you....once a guy passed by a place and he saw two people performing adultary.....he ran to the prophet and told him....i just saw two people nude performing adultary....the prophet looked at him and told him why didnt you throw at them your coat to cover them.....which shows that the prophet wanted to protect them from the public because islam is about mercy....

rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

and about Aysha, i dont know what information or fatwa you got, the prophet did not touch her till she reached puperty.....and he married her for a religious reason because his life was a long lesson for muslims to learn from.....and he treated her very well ....you are talking about mohammad...he is the kidnest most generious perosn....even before he was a prophet people talked of his kindness....you have to be very careful of what sources you get hte information from...alot of people explain things to the way they want.....very few resources are reliable....

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rasha7982 · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 11

hello....am sorry i got back to you late, had lots of work yesterday and had to find to go home get akoran and look it up.....i got the explaination for that aya....from two reliable books...

The meaning is:
God made men responsible of women, they are to provide their need and take care of them with what they make (money) and their protection..... if a woman is doing something wrong, do talk to her to advise her with a good word....if she doesnt listen....then sleep next to her and dont touch her (and ofcourse dont melse her)...if she touchs you, then touch her back.....but if she still doesnt listen still....hit them softely where no physical pain or harm is done (what is ment with hit here is a symbolic figure to show anger) like tabbing softely.... and dont hurt them...if you do hurt them then you have commited a big sin and god see it all........

this is the explaintation i researched and again god knows it all...just think if it simply the god we worship is the same god christans and jews worship...he will not send words to hurt his people as he loves us so much...and the prophet only does what god asks him...he has wisdom of everything....you cant really if you think about it follow christanity and have it make sense to you and love it and then hate islam which is form the same god....i respect and love all religions of god...islam, christanity and judism...and i respect them all...