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dee_singh78
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 Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: Muslim And Sikhs |
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I am just New to This Site and i am Posting Some Interesting Facts About Sikh-Muslim Relation
1. Muslim Ruler Zahanghir ordered to Kill Fifth Sikh Master Guru Arjun Dev . Here is http://www.thaisikh.org/sikhism/guruarjandevji.php link to see what happened.
2. Muslim Ruler Aourangzeb Killed Tenth Sikh Matser and His Four Sons.
3 Muslim ruler Planned to kill every sikh on Earth during 1700-1800
You can get More facts On Muslim Sikh Realations by searching On Google
http://www.whyichosesikhism.com see this site for more information
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XXX
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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welcome. We don't see many Sikhs here at all.
Even though i'm muslim, i do admit that Sikhism seems like a nice religion. Although the 5 kays?? do seem very familiar to the 5 Pillars of Islam. |
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diotima64
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| XXX wrote: |
welcome. We don't see many Sikhs here at all.
Even though i'm muslim, i do admit that Sikhism seems like a nice religion. Although the 5 kays?? do seem very familiar to the 5 Pillars of Islam. |
Well, since they neither involve zakat-giving, nor prayer, nor pilgrimage, nor fasting in ramadan (or other times), nor shahada - AND do not concern ALL sikhs, but merely the Khalsa as well as NOT being part of the central tenets of Sikhism I really see not much connection beyond the number five... but I also think, sikhism is a nice religion!  |
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Taqqiya Tactician
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I must confess, I know very little about Sikkism. We dont see Sikhs burning embarries, raping women or marrying 6 year olds or beheading, torturing or maiming non-sikhs, so Im assuming it must be a peaceful religion.
But I still think they are too darn stupid to not trim or shave bodily hair. I would not be a part of that religion just for that reason. if I were born Sikh, I would be an apostate now. I hate it when religions dictate how you live. Especially when they tell you what to do and what not to do with your own body!! That's so sick. Just like in Islam and Judaism.
Thats opression and I have zero tolerance for opressors and do not respond to commands. The language of love moves me easily, but Im very irreceptive to the force, intimidation and coersion. Maybe thats why I hate Muahmamd(but love Ali Sina) with a passion.
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doubtless
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| XXX wrote: |
welcome. We don't see many Sikhs here at all.
Even though i'm muslim, i do admit that Sikhism seems like a nice religion. Although the 5 kays?? do seem very familiar to the 5 Pillars of Islam. |
Lol! You may be surprised to learn the history of the five pillars of Islam! Why don't you find out where the five pillars came from and when the term was used first and who and where it was used. Like a muhammedan you assumed "precedence". Yeah, islam is the most ancient religion since Adam was a muhammedan. Yeah, allah created the noor of muhammed before he created the universe. Lol. So go do a little search on the history of the five pillars, and then tell us.
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diotima64
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I must confess, I know very little about Sikkism. We dont see Sikhs burning embarries, raping women or marrying 6 year olds or beheading, torturing or maiming non-sikhs, so Im assuming it must be a peaceful religion.
But I still think they are too darn stupid to not trim or shave bodily hair. I would not be a part of that religion just for that reason. if I were born Sikh, I would be an apostate now. I hate it when religions dictate how you live. Especially when they tell you what to do and what not to do with your own body!! That's so sick. Just like in Islam and Judaism.
Thats opression and I have zero tolerance for opressors and do not respond to commands. The language of love moves me easily, but Im very irreceptive to the force, intimidation and coersion. Maybe thats why I hate Muahmamd(but love Ali Sina) with a passion. |
Eh... actually, many Sikhs DO shave etc. It is a special ceremony (amrit), that someone CHOSES to take, where he/she takes certain vows. Actually, as far as I know, Sikhs are very anti-ritual, at least in theory. |
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patriot
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| Taqqiya Tactician wrote: |
I must confess, I know very little about Sikkism. We dont see Sikhs burning embarries, raping women or marrying 6 year olds or beheading, torturing or maiming non-sikhs, so Im assuming it must be a peaceful religion.
But I still think they are too darn stupid to not trim or shave bodily hair. I would not be a part of that religion just for that reason. if I were born Sikh, I would be an apostate now. I hate it when religions dictate how you live. Especially when they tell you what to do and what not to do with your own body!! That's so sick. Just like in Islam and Judaism.
Thats opression and I have zero tolerance for opressors and do not respond to commands. The language of love moves me easily, but Im very irreceptive to the force, intimidation and coersion. Maybe thats why I hate Muahmamd(but love Ali Sina) with a passion. |
Eh... actually, many Sikhs DO shave etc. It is a special ceremony (amrit), that someone CHOSES to take, where he/she takes certain vows. Actually, as far as I know, Sikhs are very anti-ritual, at least in theory. |
that's the problem dio, they are ritualistically antiritualistic.
They spread terrorism in India because Indian army attacked the golden temple of sikhs to evacuate a fanatic sikh leader.
The original sikh scriptures are simply superb in many sense but they are ofcourse racist text to some extent.
Things started to change with the 10th guru who militarised the entire religion and converted themselves into a martial race. |
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dee_singh78
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Taqqiya Tactician wrote: |
I must confess, I know very little about Sikkism. We dont see Sikhs burning embarries, raping women or marrying 6 year olds or beheading, torturing or maiming non-sikhs, so Im assuming it must be a peaceful religion.
But I still think they are too darn stupid to not trim or shave bodily hair. I would not be a part of that religion just for that reason. if I were born Sikh, I would be an apostate now. I hate it when religions dictate how you live. Especially when they tell you what to do and what not to do with your own body!! That's so sick. Just like in Islam and Judaism.
Thats opression and I have zero tolerance for opressors and do not respond to commands. The language of love moves me easily, but Im very irreceptive to the force, intimidation and coersion. Maybe thats why I hate Muahmamd(but love Ali Sina) with a passion. |
Eh... actually, many Sikhs DO shave etc. It is a special ceremony (amrit), that someone CHOSES to take, where he/she takes certain vows. Actually, as far as I know, Sikhs are very anti-ritual, at least in theory. |
that's the problem dio, they are ritualistically antiritualistic.
They spread terrorism in India because Indian army attacked the golden temple of sikhs to evacuate a fanatic sikh leader.
The original sikh scriptures are simply superb in many sense but they are ofcourse racist text to some extent.
Things started to change with the 10th guru who militarised the entire religion and converted themselves into a martial race. |
Dear Friends Thanks For Your Responses. You Guys Have Much Knowledge Then Me . I am Not a Scholar nor A Master Of ANY KIND . i am just Slave of humanity. i just posted these views here cause i wana tell the world that WE ARE NOT MUSLIMS. Every Religion has there own way of life and they all are respectfull to their fellows .
the views about Hairs are very Sensative in Sikhism . Although according to my Religion Uncut Hairs are Sign Of Spirituality and Saintism . all religious leaders whether they were sikhs or not they kept their hairs , even Jesus and Mohd too .
This question is asked a lot “Why do you keep hair?” Hair is a gift from God, therefore why should anyone throw it away by cutting it? Sikhs live the way God made humans and never cut their hair. For Sikhs hair is the symbol of love for God and the respect for everything He has given us. The way God made us is the most beautiful of all. To Christians, even the Bible says, “God loves us and cares so much about us that even all the hairs of our head has well counted” (Matt.10:30).
Hair is one of the five symbols of Sikh faith. One of the reason to keep hair is to preserve the Sikh identity. Sikhs are only 2% of India’s population, if Sikhs do not keep hair, they would be lost in the crowd of Hindus and Muslims.
One argument heard often is that if you do not cut your hair, it keeps growing and will eventually reach the ground. Sikhs never cut their hair and it does not touch the ground, their eyebrows grow to a specific length, their moustaches grow to a specific length, and their beard stops at a specific length. Our body has a natural way of shedding and regenerating hair, thus after a period of time hair seems to stay at a consistent length.
Millions of Sikhs do not cut their hair and their hair grows to a specific length depending on their individual characteristics. Even if you still believe that hair do not stop growing and will eventually reach the ground, you should first consider whether to believe the one who has never seen hair growing or the millions of people who have never cut their hair? The answer is obvious.
Another important point is that Sikhs are not to use razors or any other such devices on their bodies, from the time of birth, for they do not cut their hair from any part of their bodies. In order to keep hair neat and clean Sikhs roll the hair on the top of their head. The hair is then covered by different types of turbans.
From the scientific view, keeping hair is practical because hair has many functions. It traps an insulating layer of still air just outside the skin, and thereby reduces loss of heat by radiation, hair absorbs harmful radiations from the sun, hair follicles can make androgenic hormones and Axillary hair provides larger surface area for evaporation of sweat. Although Sikhs do not need scientific explanations to keep hair, it is important to note that scientific explanations do indeed exist.
for more info http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/whyhair.html
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dee_singh78
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| Taqqiya Tactician wrote: |
I must confess, I know very little about Sikkism. We dont see Sikhs burning embarries, raping women or marrying 6 year olds or beheading, torturing or maiming non-sikhs, so Im assuming it must be a peaceful religion.
But I still think they are too darn stupid to not trim or shave bodily hair. I would not be a part of that religion just for that reason. if I were born Sikh, I would be an apostate now. I hate it when religions dictate how you live. Especially when they tell you what to do and what not to do with your own body!! That's so sick. Just like in Islam and Judaism.
Thats opression and I have zero tolerance for opressors and do not respond to commands. The language of love moves me easily, but Im very irreceptive to the force, intimidation and coersion. Maybe thats why I hate Muahmamd(but love Ali Sina) with a passion. |
Eh... actually, many Sikhs DO shave etc. It is a special ceremony (amrit), that someone CHOSES to take, where he/she takes certain vows. Actually, as far as I know, Sikhs are very anti-ritual, at least in theory. |
that's the problem dio, they are ritualistically antiritualistic.
They spread terrorism in India because Indian army attacked the golden temple of sikhs to evacuate a fanatic sikh leader.
The original sikh scriptures are simply superb in many sense but they are ofcourse racist text to some extent.
Things started to change with the 10th guru who militarised the entire religion and converted themselves into a martial race. |
Respected Friend Thanks For your Comments
http://www.khalistan.com/CongRecords/CR061804_Burton_20AnvGTAttack.htm go to this url and get the facts aboust sikhs in india
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism/features/blue_star/index.shtml try out this one too
Thanks for Your Response
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doubtless
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Thank you Daljit Singh. Yes there is a huge problem of Sikh being confused for muhammedans. In USA very soon after 9/11 there was a hate crime and a sikh was killed because the killer did not know the difference between a sikh and a muhammedan. Fortunately, hate crimes against sikhs or muhammedans in USA are rare. But it must be very unnerving to have comments directed at you as if you are a muhammedan. I, personally, have couple of very close and good sikh friends.
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shiraz
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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hey dee singh
is it true that sikhs leave their hair long cause they've taken an oath that till every muslim is eradicated from this planet they wouldnt cut their hair..... |
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ming
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No Sikhs in Shao-lin 
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XXX
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hey dee singh
is it true that sikhs leave their hair long cause they've taken an oath that till every muslim is eradicated from this planet they wouldnt cut their hair..... |
I highly doubt tthat is true at all.
One of my best friends is a sikh, although he cut his hair though.
Although it does appear that many sikh's i've seen simply do not care much for their faith and appear to be very westernized. |
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monique
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| the views about Hairs are very Sensative in Sikhism . Although according to my Religion Uncut Hairs are Sign Of Spirituality and Saintism . all religious leaders whether they were sikhs or not they kept their hairs , even Jesus and Mohd too . |
Once...a long long time ago, I had a Sikh boyfriend..and...his hair was much longer them mine and he needed half an hour to get it under his turban... 
But... he did have beautiful hair... 
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darth
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| patriot wrote: |
The original sikh scriptures are simply superb in many sense but they are ofcourse racist text to some extent. |
What are the original sikh scriptures? I though they only have one - granth sahab. I have been going through an online version. Is this not the correct book?
What is it that you find racist in the text? |
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