Portal of Deception

Fathom · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 4062

I recently denounced Islam.

It's not that I thought there was something wrong with the Quran, but it was the way they teach this travesty they call a "religion."

Although I have a few Muslims friends in real life, and they are great folks on a personal level, I have recently been exposed to some incredibly deceptive tactics both IRL and online.

For quite some time I had been speaking at a Comparative Religion forum which is located at the www.ummah.com web portal. When I first went there almost a year and a half ago I met a couple people whom I thought were nice and everything seemed fine.

But suddenly, things started taking a wierd twist. Let me explain.

I don't speak Arabic, but I currently have 25 electronic translations of the Quran. This makes it fairly easy for me to compare translations, find the most common translation of a specific verse, and then use the common translation as the standard for interpreting the that particular verse.

I would even check out my interpretions online at some Islamic website just to make sure I had a decent and firm understanding of the verse.

Now, coming from a Catholic background previously, I have a very strong knowledge of both the Gospel and Torah. And I was reading in the Quran where it says various scriptures which confirm the authenticity of both the Gospel and the Torah. On some of the Qaran verses, in all 25 of my interpretations, it was 100% agreement on the authenticity of the Torah and Gospel.

So I brought this up in their Comparative Religion forum at www.ummah.com and that's when all hell broke loose. This idiot moderator they have over there named "Moayidd" starts coming in with his Arabic language skills and proceeds to completely re-design the message of the verses to explain that the Quran does not authenticate or confirm the Torah or Gospel in any way shape or form.

So I'm watching this guy, and I'm looking at my 25 translations, and I'm reading what he's saying, and then looking at my 25 translations again from 25 different scholars, and I say to myself:

WTF?

So this bullsh!t story of his keeps churning out the crap, and then some of the other Muslims come into the forum- you know the type, the one's who's avatars depict war, killing, and anti-american, anti-christian propaganda- and they all sart saying how right this Moayidd moderator is. They proceed to tell me how corrupt the Gospel and Torah are, how Christians and Jews are all going to hell, how America is going to be destroyed, and all that wrought.

So I'm watching this stuff happening- and not only once, but hundreds of times- on my screen over the past year and a half. I'm watching how these "Muslims" are permitted to invite people on to their forum to discuss the comparitives between their religions, and while they are totally insulting decent Christians and Jews, they will then use their moderator tools to edit posts of non-Muslims to make it look like they said something they didn't say.

Not only that, if a non-Muslim were to speak out with anything that even showed the slightest disrespect for Islam he would get threats against his life in private messages, as well as publically chastized in the forums, and either a suspension or a ban from the forums.

So I'm observing this little act of deception going on at this forum, and I determined that the entire point of thier Comparative Religion forum was not to share a dialogue between faiths as advertised, but to use as a portal to propagate their hatred of Christians, Jews, Americans, Britons, and just about anyone/anything else that isn't Islamic ... all in the name of Islam.

Now, I have been on both sides of the fence- Christian & Muslim- but I confess right here and now that I have never experienced pure hatred from anyone than what I have seen dished out by Muslims. They will attempt to purposely decieve you if its in their best interests. They will lie to you, find allies against you, try to track your home address down through the internet, and purposely misguide you until they get what they want from you.

And what they want from you is to be like them. And that is very very sad.

I dunno but ... the Jesus that I know never taught me to hate anyone. Never taught me to be prejudiced, or to lie, or to decieve, nor to misguide anyone. He taught me to have love for one another, and not once did he ever attach that love to some condition of religion.

Well, I'm free of Islam now. After the kind of bizzare behaviour I have seen displayed online and in real life by Muslims, the best thing I can say about them is ... grow up.

I mean, nobody hates like Islam hates anymore. That type of religious hatred went out in the dark ages with the Crusades and before. It was left in the dust the day a man named Jesus got nailed to a cross for a crime he didn't commit; a crime we- as the human race- commited.

The crime of hatred.
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ohanian · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 511

Islam is the perfect religion.
All muslims are victims.

shoeshiner · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 4685

The Far Side · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 200

What a freaken pile a crap that forum is on that website, www.ummah.com

We should be making a list on this forum and making it a sticky exposing websites like that one for what they are like the op said a portal of deception.

Just a simple glance at their Comparative Religion forum clearly shows how their tactics works. There's no comparing religions it's all spamming threads from the Koran and bashing Jews and Christians just cuz they wanna hate on them.

The place is a god damn joke

cherryblossom · Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1020

I just read the post on their forum about Faithfreedom ,apparently we are spreading lies about Islam and they want people to come to our forums and tell the truth about Islam. I was really insulted reading one thread about Mother Teresa's kind acts being fruitless because she was a Christian. Mother Teresa helped any person who needed help regardless of their religion I cant see muslims doing that today out of the kindness of their hearts, just like during the Tsunami there was a muslim charity that was only collecting money for Indonesia, damn if any muslim money is going to help non muslims, cant be having that can we. How many poor muslims across the world get help from non muslims, dont see them turning help away do we.

The Far Side · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 200

cherryblossom · Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1020

I dont think I could stand reading the posts on their forums, they are full of hatred and nothing they say makes sense, it reminds of the muslims I used to hang out with before and how much hatred they spewed and how alienated I become even from my own family, they are evil. Once you have seen the light these kind of forums just turn your stomach, you cant believe any intelligent person believing what is written there. They have nothing to contribute to society except hatred and intolerance, wow Islam is such a progressive religion, truly a religion from God - who are they kidding. Islam is a backward religion period. It contributes nothing to this world except intolerance and bloodshed and ignorance, abuse of human rights and does nothing to protect women and children - thats coming from someone who was a muslim. We dont need to be taught about Islam we can already learn about it everyday , just turn on the TV an watch the news. Look at Iraq , muslim killing muslim, democracy is a western evil, we must implement Sharia law etc etc, so oppression and lack of human rights is good as opposed to progress, democracy , rule of law, accountability, and a better life for the people. There is no purpose to the violence in Iraq except to put fear into people and take innocent lives, show me a muslim who values human life? We dont see Christians fighting amongst themselves, they accept their differences and respect each other point of view, they dont kill each other over it. So when they live under Sharia and they are poor its our fault,umm maybe someone needs to look in the mirror. In Afghanistan they lived under Islamic rules and grew poppies to pollute and destroy our young, I guess that some muslims will find justification for this, kill the infidels with drugs, lets grow more poppies, instead of food for our people, becuase if we starve to death we will go to heaven because we did Allahs work, now I sound like someone on Ummah.com.
How is it that the biggest heroin producer is a muslim country. Arent drugs haram to muslims? Aparently growing and exporting them are not.

Muslim_Youth · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 954

Fathom,
Did you mainly leave Islam due to the way you were treated by Muslims?

Fathom · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 4062

cherryblossom · Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1020

Well done Fathom for leaving Islam, like you I could not stand the hatred being taught by Muslims and lack of compassion. Islam does not propogate anything positive with regards to life, in some ways it takes away your life and you are living out of reality. It does not give you the tools to deal with life, amny times before I would ask a muslim for help/advice and I never got anything helpful, or it would be " pray and ask Allah to help you." I have got more help reading self help books than reading the Quran or listening to muslims. Whenever I needed help my muslim friends were never there, but Hindu, Christian and non religious friends were always there. I even had a situation where I did needed help seriously, I asked one muslim friend and one Christian friend, the muslim friend declinced to help me, but my Christian friend did help, I was shocked my muslim friend didnt want to help me. I am not friends with her anymore. Whenever I have needed advice , help , or someone to inspire me to be positive about life and spur me on, its always been non muslims who have guided me in my life, I do believe God has sent these people into my life to guide me along and I am grateful. But my encounter with muslims has been negative and not very helpful. I like my friends to be supportive and positive influence in my life and I tend to pick friends who will be so, I just havent found that with muslims. Muslims who dont practice Islam and just get on with life I have found to be better , because you shouldnt live for your religion, you should live life to the fullest. You cant live life to the full while being a proper muslim because so many things are prohibited depending on how you follow it. I know one family that dont listen to music or have a TV or radio in their house, thats just ridiculous.

Fathom · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 4062

Runesinger · Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 780 Location: Seattle, WA

Ram · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 1502

Hypocrisy of Muslims is astounding.

Muslims want all the rights in the non-Muslims countries yet they do not grant the same rights to us in the Muslim countries.

In Canada - a Christian majority country, Muslims are demanding dedicated spaces on the university campuses for praying but they are ready to kill a Christian in Afghanistan because he left Islam. This is one the most despicable example of Islamic hypocrisy.

Muslims preach their religion in every non-Muslim country but they will not allow Hindus and Christians to preach their religion in the Islamic countries.

Karin1 · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 945

Dear Fathom,
I would like to express my admiration for your concise and intelligent post on why you are not Muslim any longer. a) b) and 1-10 were spot on. Congrats on grabbing your brain and putting it back in your head!

You're a great addition to the forum, and hope to hear more from you.

sparky · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 1308