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Ali Sina
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 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: What interfaith dialogue? |
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What interfaith dialogue?
By Stefania A.
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peace4U
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:41 am Post subject: translation |
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HI Ali!
I just would like to know how I could contact Stephania to ask her, if she allows me to translater her article (s) and to post them on this German webpage
www.geocities.com/koraninfo
Aswell I would like to have more information on her because as far as I know she is aswell ex-muslim, right?
But I could not find her in the English oder German net.
Thanks,
peace4U
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freeland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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ciao peace4U
You can translate my articles 
Stefania
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shima
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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OBJECTION.
Last time Germany and Italy united bad things happened  I'm just kidding.
Great article, when muslims ask for debate, they don't mean a two way debate like ina free country, what they mean is for others to shut up and listen when they quote from koran. And sure if they don't agree, they get labeled many things and called many names.
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IoshkaFutz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ciao Shima,
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| Last time Germany and Italy united bad things happened I'm just kidding. |
Are you kidding? Schumacher and Ferrari? |
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DoctorNO
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The article was a great read until this part...
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Muslims are violent, hate mongers, haughty, arrogant, revengeful and lazy.
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Mister Ali Sina, these subjective blanket statements would be the downfall of FFI. Cant you edit these things out? Or just insert the word "many". 8-|
Also please remember that the average viewer doesnt care what you think the 'True Muslims' are. |
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freeland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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DoctorNo
Muslims are “those” things; if some of them are peaceful it’s because they don’t have the chance to be violent in our western countries. All Muslims think Islam is superior to all creeds, All Muslims are arrogant for the same reason, All Muslims will resort to violence to defend their “beautiful” religion. All Muslims are revengeful. Why they fight with each others then? Why they want to impose their believes on us then?
Do they have the same respect toward us? Don’t they call ALL non Muslims kuffars? Why no Muslim, or islamic centre, condemned the 9/11 or the 3/11 terrorist act? Why they celebrated those acts in Egypt, Palestine, Siria etc.?
I was married with a Muslim lawyer and I Know Islam and Sharia better then any other European. I’ve been called “ kafra”, “dirty Christian” and so on for years. Furthermore I have studied Islamic Law and Muslim culture and religion, I speak Arabic and I can read Quran in it’s original language, so if I say or write something about Islam it’s not to offend people out of enjoyment, but because I know it’s the truth , I know Muslims and I know why they call themselves “peaceful and moderate Muslims”. With all respect, when people will stop being so hypocrite perhaps Muslim will stop hating non Muslims, they will stop being so arrogant and violent. And we'll stop writing against them.
This is just MY opinion so it’s not Ali or FFI's responsibility.
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crazy canuck
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They claim that the monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam have a lot in common, and in Islam “the people of the book” are deeply respected. Of course in practice this is never the case, but what about polytheists or atheists? Aren’t they human beings? Don’t they deserve respect? Let us assume that once the Muslims increase in our midst they will honor their word and they will respect the rights and beliefs of the Jews and the Christians. Let us say they will not do with the people of book here what they did in their Islamic paradise. Now, what would happen to the atheists, agnostics and other infidels among us?...
What about those atheist, agnostic,idol worshipping infidels? |
About 6 or seven years ago some black Muslims ( at behest of real Muslims, like to use N word for those black muslims) went to Toronto to blow up a Hindu temple, were caught and punished by FBI, a tragedy was averted.This was before 9/11. They thought only one god people should exist in North America. But on other hand same guys desecrate and blow up jewish places of worship and cemetaries in Canada.Its there agenda to first destroy infidels, then comes jews and finally cross worshippers. |
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Muslims are those who follow the Quran, and the Sunnah of Mohammad. Not all those who call themselves muslims do that. The Quran lables them "hypocrites". A overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the muslim countries are hypocrites either because they do not know what is in the Quran and have made no effort to find out, or having found out do not know how to say that they do not want to be muslims.
Those who follow the Quran and the Sunnah of Mohammad do have the attributes that Ali is stating.
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DoctorNO
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Muslims are those who follow the Quran, and the Sunnah of Mohammad. Not all those who call themselves muslims do that. The Quran lables them "hypocrites". A overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the muslim countries are hypocrites either because they do not know what is in the Quran and have made no effort to find out, or having found out do not know how to say that they do not want to be muslims.
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Do you think the average viewer gives a damn about that? Even I dont give a damn about that. For me a muslim is someone who thinks he is a muslim. Like my friend Ahmed who is a quran-only muslim. Many non-practicing muslims are peaceful and fun loving like you and me. It is wrong and despicable to label all of them as 'hateful', 'arrogant', and 'lazy'. This site is fighting the battle for public opinion. It would lose that battle if it continues on its folly of subjective generalizations. :X |
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freeland
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You are a non-practicing Muslim...
so you are not a Muslim. The things written in the article do not apply to you then.
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freeland
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As a matter of fact I always say that most of southern Italians are lazy, nobody ever said that I was generalising; because we know it is true. I also declared that most of Northern Italians (like me) are very cold and strict some times even arrogant and egoistic. Nobody said that I’m racist. Every culture or race has positive sides and negative sides. As far as I’m concerned I really didn’t see till now the positive sides of Muslims. Perhaps you can tell me some.
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| DoctorNO wrote: |
| doubtless wrote: |
Muslims are those who follow the Quran, and the Sunnah of Mohammad. Not all those who call themselves muslims do that. The Quran lables them "hypocrites". A overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the muslim countries are hypocrites either because they do not know what is in the Quran and have made no effort to find out, or having found out do not know how to say that they do not want to be muslims.
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Do you think the average viewer gives a damn about that? Even I dont give a damn about that. For me a muslim is someone who thinks he is a muslim. Like my friend Ahmed who is a quran-only muslim. Many non-practicing muslims are peaceful and fun loving like you and me. It is wrong and despicable to label all of them as 'hateful', 'arrogant', and 'lazy'. This site is fighting the battle for public opinion. It would lose that battle if it continues on its folly of subjective generalizations. :X |
Dr. No. the issue is not whether the average viewer gives a damn. The issue is how do you distinguish between those who support the Quran and the Sunnah of Mohammad and those who do not. Muslims living within the Islamic lands are conditioned to thinking of themselves as muslims and being the "munafiqoon" at the same time. That is partly the reason for the sectarian battles within Islamic countries. We should accept the definitions of "muslim" and "hypocrite" as given by the Koran itself. Why do we want to fall for the psychological ploy of the Quran and Mohammad followers and forcibly classify the "hypocrites" as "muslims"? Let the muslims play those mind games. The definition is very clear: a muslim is he who upholds the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammad. If one does not then he is not a muslim. He may be calling himself a muslim for safety, for wanting to belong to a community, etc. etc. but he is not a muslim according to the believers. That is why many true beleivers come and tell us that there is no Islamic state on the earth because none have implemented Sharee'ah yet.
Give it a thought. You are trying to allow the hypocrites among the muslims a psychological comfort zone where they can be hypocrites as well as call themselves muslims without being challanged whether they uphold the Quran and the Sunnah or not.
Quran only muslim is an oxymoron. I have yet to meet any quran only muslim who can explain the quran without the sunnah of muhammad. It cannot be done. Quran becomes utterly unintelligble without the muslim history supporting it.
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DoctorNO
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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You are a non-practicing Muslim...
so you are not a Muslim. The things written in the article do not apply to you then.
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Why? did the article gave such excemptions as:
- 'applies only to practicing muslims who follows both the quran and sunnahs'
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