Ali Sina Drops the Ball

[Darius]

[plata moya]

[doubtless]

[Darius]

Plata moya...or whatever:

Thanks for being an exemplary specimen of my point.


Doubtless: Would you like some cheese with your whine?

(1) I don't care about implementing Islamic principles.
(2) You can "ban" anything you wish within your own home--banishing others from their homes on account of FFI's "evil" interpretation of Islam is ludicrous. Take your emotional bags elsewhere.
_________________
Darius Theophrastus Noir
FFI critics of Islam say:
(1) Peaceful Muslims are ignorant Muslims.
(2) Educated Muslims are violent Muslims.

[kumar]

[doubtless]

[Darius]

Doubtless,

You cannot expect others to refrain from collective punishment if you yourself think it is morally acceptable to collectively punish others based upon their own thoughts. However, I think you may yet realize how ludicrous it is to condemn an ideology on account of itself rather than in the methods imployed (like terrorism) to instigate that ideology. Islamic sponsored terrorism is not evil because it is Islamic, but because it employs a very immoral methodology called terrorism.

Just think if you were a bit smarter I could've concentrated my attentions on more worthy adversaries than yourself in this matter instead of posting the same arguments over and over again only to see you run away into irrelvancies.

I hardly even think you have the intellectual capacity to see your own orwellian pretentions.
_________________
Darius Theophrastus Noir
FFI critics of Islam say:
(1) Peaceful Muslims are ignorant Muslims.
(2) Educated Muslims are violent Muslims.

[kotham]

Rules of democracy are for people who are willing to abide by it. Itf muslims in West start directly supporting thier brother, they will rounded up much faster than you think.
I think its going to happen soon. If I was a muslim who hates west but lives in west, I woud start packing. Muslims will be treated like we treat pedophiles. Both are dangerous and can't help themself from doing wrong.
_________________
muslims reads Quran, Non-muslims,Ex-muslim understands Quran

[allahuackbar]

[doubtless]

[Basidiles]

[Hector]

Darius,
I think it is you who have dropped the ball. My reading of the article is that Ali Sina bemoans the Muslims' disregard for rules of war. He never said that we should also disregard rules of war. What he's saying is that we should ridicule Muslims.

Not anywhere does he advocate that the West disregard the rules of war.

Try again, Muslim

Cheers,
Hector
_________________
What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepubescent nine-year-old child who liked playing with dolls and swings? Mo the demon Pedophile.

[eduardo]

To Darius:

My reading of your comments, so far, is that you object to undemocratic, or dictatorial, or lawless methods being used against Islam or Muslims.

If that is your main point, then no one here, so far, except for Basilides, seems to have responded.

It is certainly a complex question: to what extent, if at all, should a democratic, law-based society compromise its principles, when at war with a totalitarian adversary.

You don't really formulate that question, but perhaps simply take for granted either that
1. a democracy should never compromise its principles when at war with a totalitarian adversary, or
2. democracy is really just another form of totalitarianism in disguise.

A balanced approach, I think, would say some compromise of principle is justifiable for a democracy, if necessary to defend against a totalitarian enemy, since the latter, to advance in power, permits almost any violation of principle, and thus gains military advantages that may sometimes have to be answered, fire with fire. It might make an interesting discussion to open-mindedly consider when democratic societies may justifiably compromise principle.

When the U.S., in self-defense, went to war against Hitler, wasn't the mere act of going to war a necessary and just compromise of democratic ways of life, a compromise that adopted Hitler's brute force methods to achieve goals?

But when I read Ali Sina's most recent post, I'm far from sure that he didn't cross the line, and ask us to become too much like our enemies.

But I think even the most high-minded person, from the most justly ruled country, when in war, would sometimes be forced to choose between two evil courses of action, and have to try to pick the lesser evil. Sometimes morality does not give the luxury of remaining completely pure. Sometimes it can be necessary for a cop, in order to protect a child, to kill another human being threatening the child, to name one trivial example of morality requiring dirty hands and less than 'saintly' actions.

I revere Socrates, but I have wondered how he would reconcile his fighting in a number of wars (and very bravely, too) with his philosophy that it is better to be injured than to do injury -- at least I think he argued that.
_________________
"IMAGINATION I hold to be the living Power and prime Agent of all human Perception, and as the repetition in the finite mind of the eternal act of creation in the infinite I Am."
-- S.T. Coleridge

[eduardo]

To Hector:

I think Darius is responding to Ali Sina's interview, Part V, posted today.
_________________
"IMAGINATION I hold to be the living Power and prime Agent of all human Perception, and as the repetition in the finite mind of the eternal act of creation in the infinite I Am."
-- S.T. Coleridge

[piggy]