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friendship
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| "no compulsion in religion"...,.... Nonsense..., that is rubbish dear friendship. Right from the get go, after the death his first wife Mr. Mohammad's 13 years of quest to impose his Allaha religion/cult/political party of Mohammad and his followers is well documented in Islamic History and a bit of that is there in that copy/pasted book.."Q'uran". Read it carefully with objective mind and alsio read the history of Islam year by year account carefully dear friendship. here, let us Start from year 623., and remember, 619 was the year of sorrow i.e. Abu Talib and Khadija(PUBH).. wife of Mr. Prophet died. |
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| What do you see in the above account of Islamic History dear friendship?? Islam is aa bloody Feudal religion with Foolish followers. It is always in War and destruction, either within Muslims or with others.. |
No, I disagree with you. Islam is better religion for declaring “There is no compulsion in religion”.
Yeezevee, your observations are shallow and conclusions hasty. The expeditions do not necessarily disprove the peaceful message of Islam. You might be able to understand with a more contemporary example.
America wishes to be seen as champion of peace but how peaceful is she really?
1) America invades Afghanistan because they refused to hand over Usama bin Laden and now the reason given for invasion is that they wanted to get rid of Terrorist Talibans. These are the same talibans that were trained by Americans to fight the Soviets but when the Talibans become rebellious they are kicked out. Hundreds of them are taken to the slave camp known as “Guantanamo Bay”. Since America doesn’t believe the prisoners held in GB are humans, they do not have any human rights. No legal representation, no jury and no judge. America has judged them as animals.
2) America invades IRAQ because Saddam has failed to keep the UN resolutions. Inspectors were kicked out by Saddam while America was itching to pick a fight with anyone with non-existent army. Now the reason given in justification is that Saddam has killed thousands of his own people and therefore he is a cruel dictator. Remember America is not against dictatorships but only those who rebel against her.
3) America uses White Phosphorous to “light up” the areas where possible terrorists could have been hiding. In the process of “lighting up”, they used Chemical substances banned by the UN in the war zone and burned hundreds of people. They weren’t people, they were of course animals, so burning them with Chemical substances is justified. If Saddam could do it then why not America?
4) PoWs; Prisoners of War are stripped naked to pose with female soldiers to appease the home audience in conformation of American Human Rights Policies. Geneva Convention doesn’t apply here as America is superior so it is permitted to have its cake and eat it.
5) America admits kidnapping people that she considers “terrorists” and smuggling them to countries where torture process does not raise the possibility of blame on America. Where is the legal representation, freedom of expression, judge and the jury?
6) America decides to attack AL JAZEERA’s headquarters because it believes in freedom of expression and freedom of speech? The American military chiefs were regularly paraded before the world media to sell the “military precision targeting capabilities”.
7) In this game of justice dispensation hundreds of thousands innocent lives have been lost. They were animals as well so human rights don’t apply to them?
Yeezevee, if you will not question America’s “peaceful” and “diplomatic” foreign policies, then who are you to question anyone of “Human Rights” and peace? Who are you to bring me the Islamic Expeditions and attempt to prove that they flout the peaceful message of ISLAM and the Quran; that they contradict the message of “there is no compulsion in religion”?
You highlight the words “well documented”. There are lots of things that are well documented and you have conveniently over looked. At the battle of BADR where 313 inexperienced Muslim fighters were confronted with seasoned army that was 3 times their size. There were only 2 horses in the whole Muslim army.
The Muslims of Median were afraid lest their zeal to fight the Meccan enemy should injure the feelings of their Meccan brethren. But when the Prophet insisted on more and more counsel, one of the Medinite Muslims stood up and said , “ Prophet of God, you are having all the counsel you want, but you continue to ask for more. Perhaps you refer to us, the Muslims of Medina. Is that true?”
“Yes,” Said the prophet.
“You ask for our counsel,” he said,” because you think that when you came to us, we agreed to fight on your side only in case you and your fellow emigrants from Mecca were attacked in Medina. But now we seem to have come out of Medina, and you feel that our agreement does not cover the conditions under which we find ourselves today. But O Prophet of God, when we entered into that agreement we did not know you as well as we do now. We know now what high spiritual station you hold. We care not for what we agreed to. We now stand by you, whatever you ask us to do. We will not behave like the followers of Moses who said, ‘ Go you and your God and fight the enemy, we remain here behind.’ If we must fight, we will and we will fight to the right of you, to the left of you, in front of you and behind you. True, the enemy wants to get at you. But we assure you that he will not do so, without stepping over our dead bodies. Prophet of God, you invite us to fight. We are prepared to do more. Not far from here is the sea. If you command us to jump into it, we will hesitate not.” (Bukhari, Kitab al Maghazi and Hisham).
The Prophet prayed “My God, over the entire face of the earth just now, there are only these three hundred men who are devoted to Thee and determined to establish Thy worship. My God, if these three hundred men die today at the hands of their enemy in this battle, who will be left behind to glorify Thy name?” (Tabari)
Yeezevee, how can you possibly consider these few Muslims aggressors? The Muslims and the Prophet who had escaped Meccan cruelty to take shelter in Medina?
If the Medina Muslims thought the Prophet was a lying politician who only thought of his own benefit then they were the most naïve and ignorant people to fight on the right and on the left of the Prophet. Fighting with an army that was 3 times their size is no less than committing suicide. If they were lying hypocrites they would have refused to fight for a lying politician. What did they have to lose?
When the Quran says “invite non believers to Islam with the best manner” why didn’t these lying naïve hypocrites raised fingers at the lying politian? Rather than challenging the sanity of the lying politician they decided to fight for him? Even if it was true then the politician should be commended with praise of his intelligent plan while simultaneously, the followers should be cursed of their idiocy!
If the prophet had thought of his own benefit then he would have been better off by letting them continue gambling, consuming alcohol, burying their daughters out of shame. He would have had better control of the people around him, and would have benefited from their wealth. He would have benefited from the “interest system” more than anyone as the people trusted him with their belongings and knew him as “the trustworthy”. He would have had an easy time for letting people do what they desired most and benefited from it.
But then if he had done so the cause of ISLAM would have met an early death. The message of Islam would have emerged from the throat of Muhammad and returned where it came from. God does not help the liars, the transgressors. Allah says in the Quran that He likes NOT the aggressors. While he made enemies for rejecting their idol worship.
You bring me the Islamic expeditions in order to prove Islamic aggression? This is the reward that the world gives him for bringing the message, the reward that he does not ask. He only begs God of the reward not you and the likes of you.
The caliphates that learned directly from the Prophet and then went onto preserve his teachings which taught justice to women, no alcohol, no telling lies and no aggression. You accuse them of aggression? They would be stupid to record the Quranic verses that actually condemned aggression and declared “There is no compulsion in religion”, and Allah likes NOT the aggressors if they really wanted to invade every country they could think of and take the booty for their benefits!
Moreover, the Quran promises heavy penalty for rejecting the truth. The Quranic truth is “there is no compulsion in religion”, YEEZEEVE you wish to educate me that the caliphates first preserved the verses and then ignored them for their own benefit? Why the sudden “U” turn?
The people who laid their lives for the Prophet and preserved the Islamic Message only to flout it? If they had done so, then they would have the biggest hypocrites of all time. The people wouldn’t have accepted the liars!
YEEZEVEE: you wish to tell me that Human mind is slavish in nature? You wish to tell me that generations after generations people can be made into mental slaves and manipulated against their wishes? If you think so then you are indeed naïve and ignoramus as the reality is against your wishes.
The British ruled India for over 150 years but eventually had to leave India. Why? Why didn’t the majority of India become Christian? It is “well documented” fact that the Christian missionaries have used the British Empire to their fullest advantage in propagation of their Christianity and Trinity. Why is India still HINDU in majority?
If the Muslim expedition were cruel and aggressive in nature then surely the death of ISLAM would have been confined to the past. While it is not true. Islam continues to flourish to this day, but why?
Human mind can not be made to convert forcefully to a religion. Even if you temporarily convince minds to accept a LIE then surely u do not expect the lie to LIVE ON. Allah wants man to come to HIM on his own accord. What use would be a conversion if it was forced upon individuals? If it was to be force then ALLAH would have been the best one to enforce HIS authority, and you would not have any choice. You would have followed HIM like an ANIMAL.
Are you an ANIMAL YEEZEVEE or are you a sane individual with intelligence and Free Will? Do you have the capacity to reject the lies?
If the caliphates indeed had flouted the Quranic Law, they couldn’t be regarded as Muslims as they would be rejecting the truth of Islam. But the caliphates were truly upholders of the truth and propagated with the best manner that the Quran teaches.
The quran teaches:
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| [2:257] There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing. |
The verse says, be advised that religion is compulsion free and this is the right way. IF you find it to be in error then it is not the right way. The same verse destroys the ignorant view that the expeditions were aggressive. According to this verse, the aggressor followers are indeed in error, and therefore can not be Islamic. Yezeevee wants to me believe that when this Message was promoted by the “aggressors”, it was not only accepted but also propagated eventually throughout the world. The “aggressors” would benefit no one to promote this message but rather harm their own cause.
YEZEEVEE: Quoting the expeditions did not justify your non-existent point but rather ended in self-contradiction. Let the forum see if quoting more of the expeditions would add to the legitimacy of your so called intelligent points.
I invite you to the truth, are you mentally free to recognise and accept the truth for rejection would only do self-harm. I invite you to your GOD. |
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yeezevee
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| Yeezevee, if you will not question America’s “peaceful” and “diplomatic” foreign policies, then who are you to question anyone of “Human Rights” and peace? .. |
dear friendship, I will certainly spend time carefully think before I respond in detail for you above reply.. There are many issues often not related to each other in your response. Why would you say I don't question Americans.? when it comes to Allaha?God?.. whatever.. No country, No messenger, No Prophet , no book and No God is an exception. I will question in every possible way and I will throw every stone that I have at that concept God. Yes If Americans are doing their Foreign policy with God/Allah Guidance similar to that ISLAM.. They will also get the same treatment as Islam from a fellow like me .. and .. and I will answer your query
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| ...Are you an ANIMAL YEEZEVEE .. |
with best regards
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Islam is a contradictory religion where of course on one hand it say:
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| 2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût [2] and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. |
It also says:
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| 9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah [2] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. |
If Quran is not contradictory then Islam is a religion of HYPOCRITES.
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masadi
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Friendship: I thank you for your time and efforts and the thought and patience you put in your posts
Yezeevee: Please do not copy paste your timelines of so called Islamic atrocities 1000 times. If I was doing that your moderator friend would have locked the thread and deleted the posts.
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goedels_paradox
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MAsadi, there he is another HYPOCRITE from the religion of Islam. He himself brings up links to irrelevant Godel's incompleteness theorm on this thread and accuses others of bringing distractions.
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| Yezeevee: Please do not copy paste your timelines of so called Islamic atrocities 1000 times. If I was doing that your moderator friend would have locked the thread and deleted the posts. |
Certainly if yeezevee had done this 1000 times, then I am sure that M would have done something about yeezevee. But mr. masadi smarty pants, ....... you lie. See further down the page where Hector has exposed your vandalizing the Wikipedia.
Your are a troll and a liar without rivals.
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623: Nakhla expedition.
624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
632: Death of the Holy Prophet.Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.[/b][/u]
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan.Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662: Khawarij revolts.
666: Raid of Sicily.
670: Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.
672: Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.
674: The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.
677: Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.
680: Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.
682: In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.
683: Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II. |
What do you see in the above account of Islamic History dear friendship?? Islam is aa bloody Feudal religion with Foolish followers. It is always in War and destruction, either within Muslims or with others..
read the rest of Islamic history http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15311&start=0
with best
yeezevee[/quote]
And what says fiendsheep to all this?
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No, I disagree with you. Islam is better religion for declaring “There is no compulsion in religion”.
Yeezevee, your observations are shallow and conclusions hasty. The expeditions do not necessarily disprove the peaceful message of Islam. You might be able to understand with a more contemporary example. |
And what example? Why not even a cock'n' bull answer but a (two)tu quoque'n'bull answer. Twice as silly as a plain cock'n'bull.
The "contemporary example" being a tale of Tu Quoque!
Muslim Aggression is aggression. The rest is the silliness of fiendchip's creative nonsense. Giving silly critiscism of America does not justify the Islamic aggression of over 4,000 acts of terrorism by Islam since 911. ........ or the list above.
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| Yeezevee, if you will not question America’s “peaceful” and “diplomatic” foreign policies, then who are you to question anyone of “Human Rights” and peace? Who are you to bring me the Islamic Expeditions and attempt to prove that they flout the peaceful message of ISLAM and the Quran; that they contradict the message of “there is no compulsion in religion”? |
Yes indeedy! Who is yeezevee!?
What the hell has yeezevee to do with the facts of Islamic aggression and imperialism? Who the hell cares what yeezevee's opinion about America has to do with the truth? ... which is ..... that Islam has a history of agression and that Mahommit was a stinking pedophile!
And we get this Bullsheep from Fiendsheep that the truth has something to do withe yeezevee.
If yeezevee existed or not, the truth of Islamic aggression is just as true, and the perverted pedophile Mahommit is just as perverted a pedophile. No matter who was yeezevee, Mahommit was just as much a rapist, torturer and evil scumbag.
Asking "who is yeezevee" will not save friendship from the sillyness of friendship's silly arguments.
The point dear fiendsheep is that your argument is ad hominem and c'rap!
Questioning yeezevee on his American views changes no facts.
So don't ask who is yeezevee. Who was the Pedophile Pervert Mahommit? That is the relevant question.
Also fiendsheep is praying and not seeing
islamic aggression.
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Hector
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http:// www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16793
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How on earth did Ali Sina modify your post? Look closely what Sina wrote:
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| I noticed that Mr. M. Asadi has placed a note in my profile at Wikipedia claiming that I have not responded to his "challenge" posted bellow. Apart from the fact that these claims have nothing to do with my profile, the response has been given on Jan 22 and a link to that has been placed in the front page and the debates page of this site. Wikipedia is clearly controlled by Islamofascists. Ali Sina Feb 7, 2006 |
He mentions the date of the posting reply to your article. You on the othre hand Masadi claim in wikipedia that Sina didnt reply you back. When indeed he replied back on Jan 22. |
Apparently, masadi's gratuitous trumpeting of his own success against Ali Sina has been deleted by the editors of wikipedia who regard this sort of thing as 'vandalism'.
Note how some shameless Muslim has been re-editing back the 'Asadi wins against Sina' lie. I wonder who it could be?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ali_Sina
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Talk threads from website
Please do not include personal analysis of talkpage threads from Sina's site. I just deleted this sort of content from the article. Thanks. Babajobu 04:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Despite your plead to NOT TO include personal analysis of talkpage threads from Sina's site somebody edited article about Ali Sina ONCE AGAIN and described Sina vs Asadi chalange, as if Asadi refuted Sina's claims. Reading this article may leave the impression that M. Asadi was the one who challanged A. Sina, which is obviously not true (once again) (see Ali Sina's challange on FFI website: [5]) and that M. Asadi won. Leave judgement to the people visiting the FFI website.S.G. aka Slavomir Grzymski 15:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
People are repeatedly reinserting the analysis of the talkpage thread from the website. This is not the place for original research on talkpage discussions on the site. Please leave it out. Babajobu 12:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
And it's back. Removed it again. Perhaps we could get the page protected? Anonymous - 11:05, 14 February 2006.
In future if anonymous users continue to insert this material against consensus and without discussion, I suggest we treat it as vandalism. I will be adding {{test}} messages to the talk pages of any IPs that do this. - FrancisTyers 10:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC) |
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goedels_paradox
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Apparently Masadi himself has a gang of cheerleaders (in his own words "cheerfarts"  ) . Surely masadi must have increased their faith even more . Allahu Akbar
There is one new guy I came across who sounds very similar to masadi. Check his thread out:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17089&highlight= . And when he is cornered he behaves exactly like masadi.
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masadi
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The witch doctor writes
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Apparently, masadi's gratuitous trumpeting of his own success against Ali Sina has been deleted by the editors of wikipedia who regard this sort of thing as 'vandalism'.
Note how some shameless Muslim has been re-editing back the 'Asadi wins against Sina' lie. I wonder who it could be?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ali_Sina
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A pathetic attempt by Sina and his cheerleader to get things CENSORED and BANNED from articles because they are scared that the truth will be revealed, even as they accuse Muslims of censorship. Do you note this hypocrisy? Did you all notice that when Sina copy pasted the part about Asadi from the wiki on here to question me he changed the URL on my site to http://www.rationareality,com so that people couldn't go to it, he has done the same trick of removing quick links where he allegedly rebuts my article and where he advertises the debate. Ask yourself this question, why is he deliberately removing quick links and changing urls if he is so confident in his work. Why is he crying like a baby to the wiki authorities if he isnt afraid of his arguments being ruined by my posts?
All visitors, the site that SINA is afraid of is here
http://www.rationalreality.com
It has robbed many followers from him and continues to do so daily regardless of his tricks. He is mortally afraid of it as it destroys his arguments hook, line and sinker.
It is clear, the damn fool has lost, and he has lost all credibility |
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Hector
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The witch doctor writes
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Apparently, masadi's gratuitous trumpeting of his own success against Ali Sina has been deleted by the editors of wikipedia who regard this sort of thing as 'vandalism'.
Note how some shameless Muslim has been re-editing back the 'Asadi wins against Sina' lie. I wonder who it could be?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ali_Sina
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A pathetic attempt by Sina and his cheerleader to get things CENSORED and BANNED from articles because they are scared that the truth will be revealed, even as they accuse Muslims of censorship. Do you note this hypocrisy? Did you all notice that when Sina copy pasted the part about Asadi from the wiki on here to question me he changed the URL on my site to http://www.rationareality,com so that people couldn't go to it, he has done the same trick of removing quick links where he allegedly rebuts my article and where he advertises the debate. Ask yourself this question, why is he deliberately removing quick links and changing urls if he is so confident in his work. Why is he crying like a baby to the wiki authorities if he isnt afraid of his arguments being ruined by my posts?
It is clear, the damn fool has lost, and he has lost all credibility |
Nieh, nieh, nieh. The people at wikipedia don't share your opinion. Vandalism indeed. I can just believe it was you who shamelessly trumpeted up your so-called triumph even though you can't do arithmetic and your warith/wassiya nonsense got blown up here.
You really have lost all credibility, Muslim.
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yeezevee
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| Asadi writes: Did you all notice that when Sina copy pasted the part about Asadi from the wiki on here to question me he changed the URL on my site to http://www.rationareality,com so that people couldn't go to it, |
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dear Asadi, what is the matter with you?.. It is THE DUMBEST RESPONSE I ever read from you.. Are you Nuts??
do you understand people can make spell mistakes.. typo mistakes ?
http://www.rationareality,com
Can you think people when they are typing, they may miss the key stroke, so instead of typing "." they type "," ???
what you write is nonsense
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what you wrote above with reference to ".".... "," clearly proves to the reader how irrational and foolish you sound. I am pretty sure, people had more respect for you before you wrote in to this forum. By your foul mouth and stupid statements such as above you lost what you had..
with best..
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Anita1
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| masadi wrote: |
All visitors, the site that SINA is afraid of is here
http://www.rationalreality.com
It has robbed many followers from him and continues to do so daily regardless of his tricks. He is mortally afraid of it as it destroys his arguments hook, line and sinker.
It is clear, the damn fool has lost, and he has lost all credibility |
Masadi I hope you are not one of the kind that believes "if a lie is repeated a thousand times it becomes truth".
Masadi if you are talking about the nonsense you have written in your book and website (actually plagiarized from other stupid muslims) then you will be disappointed to know that it has been thrashed by a number of people. People are laughing at your silly logic and behavior.
If you still have some honor left in you (I know muslims don't understand the concept of honor) or at least you want to look honorable to non muslims and a scholor to muslims, you would write an article on your website in which you will refute the article Ali sina has written about the absurdity of Quran.
Remember right now the question is not if Quran is scientific or not (because you have no case for that) but if it is absurd or not. Ali sina has proven it is absurd, you can prove him wrong. More people know and read Ali sinas articles than yours. His website is among the top 3000 websites. He has an entry in Wikipdia as a writer and thinker. That is some thing, you are no body compared to him. But if you write a convincing article (on your website) refuting his claim, you can beat him. That would do a great service to Islam and if you are so confident that Quran is free of errors and Ali Sina is lying you should expose him.
BUt I guess you are too scared to be exposed and would rather keep your self busy barking here.
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Always_Kafir
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| friendship wrote: |
| The Quranic truth is “there is no compulsion in religion” |
Quran also Says,
009.029 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
009.005 " But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them"
Quran is a book of contradictory nonsense.
| friendship wrote: |
| God does not help the liars, |
But, Satan Helps. Satan helps in killing, looting, encourage intolerence, murder, rape, hating non-muslims etc.
| friendship wrote: |
| The caliphates that learned directly from the Prophet and then went onto preserve his teachings which taught justice to women, no alcohol, no telling lies and no aggression |
This is what they learnt from Prophet.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
Mohammed permited to say LIES.
| friendship wrote: |
| The caliphates that learned directly from the Prophet and then went onto preserve his teachings which taught justice to women, no alcohol, no telling lies and no aggression |
They waged war in Middle East, Looted and plundered Countries, imposed their arabic cult on them. Face it ! Islam is evil, wicked, intolerent Satanic religion.
Qur’an 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”
Brutal Barbaric Offensive Onslaught in Middle East, North Africa, Persia by Arab Muslim Forces
"The Rightly Guided Caliphs" by Dr. Abu Zayd Shalabi
Dr. Abu Zayd Shalabi discusses the Islamic wars which were initiated by the four caliphs who succeeded Muhammad.
Attack On Syria
On pages 35-38, Dr. Abu Zayd remarks,
"Muhammad had prepared an army to invade the borders of Syria. When Muhammad died Abu Bakr sent an army headed by Usama Ibn Zayd and 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab. The army marched towards southern Palestine and invaded some parts of the land, frightened the people and captured some booty."
Attack on Persia
At the beginning of page 70, Dr. Abu Zayd talks about the Islamic conquests and indicates that at the inception of the year 12 of Hajira, Abu Bakr ordered Khalid Ibn al-Walid to invade Persian lands and to seize the ports near Iraq. Khalid marched with the army, but before he started the war, he sent his famous message to Hermez, one of the Iraqi generals, "Embrace Islam, or pay the poll-tax, or fight." The Hermez declined to accept any of these terms but war. The Persians were defeated in this battle and Khalid seized the booty and sent Abu Bakr one-fifth of the spoils of war, exactly as they were accustomed to send to Muhammad. One-fifth of the booty belonged to God and to Muhammad.
Abu Bakr presented Khalid with the Hermez's tiara which was inlaid with gems. Dr. Abu Zayd says the value of the gems amounted to 100,000 dirham (p. 73). After that, the successful, savage invasions continued against other countries which could not repel the forces of Islam. This Azhar scholar tells us that in the battle of Alees which took place on the border of Iraq, Khalid killed 70,000 people! He was so brutal in his attack that the nearby river was mixed with their blood (p. 75).
On p. 77, Dr. Abu Zayd mentions another country which surrendered to Khalid. Khalid demanded that they pay 190,000 dirhams. When he attacked Ayn al-Tamr in Iraq, its people took shelter in one of the fortresses. Khalid laid siege to the fortress and forced them to come out. He killed all of them mercilessly. They had done nothing against him or against the Muslims except that they refused to embrace Islam and to recognize Muhammad as an apostle of God. The Muslims seized all that they found in the fortress along with forty young men who were studying the Gospel. Khalid captured them and divided them among the Muslims (refer to p. 81).
On page 134, Abu Zayd relates that when Khalid besieged another town called Qinnasrin which belonged to the Byzantine Empire, its people were so afraid that they hid themselves from him. He sent them a message in which he said: "Even if you hide in the cloud, God will lift us up to you or He will lower you down to us." They asked for a peace treaty, but he refused and killed them all. Then he eradicated the town. These are the words of Dr. Abu Zayd which we faithfully relay to you.
The Invasion of Damascus
On pages 131 and 132 of the same book, "The Rightly Guided Caliphs," the author indicates,
"Abu 'Ubayda marched towards Damascus and besieged it for seventy nights. He cut off all supplies while its inhabitants were pleading for help and assistance. Then Khalid attacked the city and massacred thousands of people. (They were forced) to ask for a peace treaty. Abu 'Ubayda turned over the rule of Damascus to Yazid and ordered him to invade the neighboring (cities). He attacked Sidon, Beirut, and others."
The Attack on Jerusalem
On pages 136 and 137, we read about the attack of 'Umru Ibn al-'as on Jerusalem. He besieged it for four months. Then its Christian inhabitants agreed to pay the poll-tax and to surrender to 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the caliph. 'Umar made the trip to Jerusalem and laid the foundation of the mosque. With that, the conquest of Syria was accomplished, but as the pestilence (plague) raged, many of the high-ranking generals of the Islamic army died, among them Abu Ubayda, Yazid and Sharahbil.
The Invasion of Wealthy Egypt
On pages 141 and 142, the author narrates how the invasion and occupation of Egypt were accomplished. Among the justifications which 'Umru Ibn al-'As presented to 'Umar which convinced him to allow 'Umru to attack Egypt were the following:
"Egypt's abundance and yields are plentiful. The conquest of Egypt would gain for the Muslims a foothold in Syria and make it easier for them to invade Africa to spread Islam."
It is important to mark 'Umru's statement that "Egypt's abundance and yields are plentiful." Eventually Egypt and Africa were both conquered.
On pages 145 and 146, the professor of civilization at the Azhar relates how 'Umru besieged the Fortress of Babylon (south of ancient Egypt) for a full month, and that he said to the messengers of the Muqawqis, the governor of Egypt,
"There is nothing between us and you except three things:
(1) Embrace Islam, become our brethren and you will have what we have and you will be subjected to what we are subjected (in this case they would pay alms to the treasury of the state).
(2) If you refuse that, you are obligated to pay tribute with humiliation.
(3) War.
"The Muqawqis attempted to offer them something different, but they rejected it. At last, after a fight, he accepted the second condition, namely to pay tribute and to be subjugated to Islamic rule. The Muslims entered Egypt. "
During the Caliphate of ' Uthman Ibn 'Affan
On pages 167 and 168, the book tells us:
"'Uthman ordered 'Abdalla Ibn Abi al-Sarh to invade Africa, then he sent Abdalla Ibn al-Zubayr. They slaughtered thousands of the people among them their king, Jayan, and they captured booty."
Attack on Byzantine Empire
"The Beginning and the End," by Ibn Kathir (vol. 7)
"'The Blood of the Byzantine is more delicious', Khalid said!"
On page 10, Ibn Khathir tells us that when the Byzantine leaders rejected Islam or paying tribute, Khalid told them,
"We are people who drink blood. We were told that there is no blood that is more delicious than the blood of the Byzantines."
Such words well suit people like Khalid, Muhammad's beloved friend and relative.
On page 13 we read the following,
"Gregorius, one of the great princes of the Byzantines, said to Khalid: 'What do you call us for?' Khalid answered him: 'That you testify that there is no God but the only God and that Muhammad is His messenger and apostle, and to acknowledge all that Muhammad received from God (namely pilgrimage, fasting of Ramadan, etc.).' Gregorius said to him: 'And if these are not accepted?' Khalid responded, 'Then pay the tribute.' Gregorius said to him: 'If we do not give the tribute?' Khalid said: 'Then war!"'
Ibn Kathir acknowledges (on page 21) that when the Muslims conquered Damascus, they seized St. John's church and converted it into the largest mosque in Damascus today (The Umayyad Mosque). On page 55, we read also about the invasion of Jerusalem. On page 123, he states,
"Umar Ibn al-Khattab wrote to Abdil-Rahman Ibn Rabi'a ordering him to invade the Turks (Turkey today)."
The Second Invasion of Africa
In page 165 Ibn Kathir records for us that:
"The second invasion of Africa was accomplished because its people broke their pledge. That was in year 33 of the Hajira (The Moslem Calendar)."
Of course, the people of Africa broke the pledge because that pledge was imposed on them by force in lieu of death. Yet Muslims killed thousands of them. Ibn Kathir already mentioned in page 151 that,
"'Uthman Ibn 'Affan ordered 'Abdalla Ibn Sa'd to invade Africa. [He told him] 'If you conquer it take 1/25 of its booty.' 'Abdalla Ibn Sa'd marched towards it at the head of an army of 20,000 soldiers. He conquered it and killed multitudes of people from among its inhabitants until the remnant were converted to Islam and became subject to the Arabs. 'Abdalla took his portion of the booty as 'Uthman told him, then he divided the rest."
How unfortunate were the African people! They were invaded by the Arabs who killed thousands of them, divided the booty, and forced the remnant to embrace Islam. When they broke the pact, the Muslims attacked them again. But are the black African people the only unfortunate people? Or are all the people of Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Libya, all the Arab tribes, Spain, even the people of China and India, Cyprus and the Kurds, all the unfortunate peoples? All of these are unfortunate nations who became the victims of Islamic Law which detests human rights and persistently ignores their freedom.
The Invasion of Cyprus and the Kurds
Ibn Kathir tells us that in the year 28 of the Hajira, the conquest of Cyprus was accomplished after 'Abdulla Ibn al-Zubayr slaughtered a multitude of people-as usual. Ibn Khaldun also tells the story of the Kurds. In page 124 of Vol. II, he says,
"Muslims met a number of Kurds. They called them to embrace Islam or pay the tribute. When they refused to do so they killed them and captured their women and children, then divided the booty."
A brief summary which Taqiy al-Din al-Nabahani presents in his book, "The Islamic State" (pp. 121 and 122). He summarizes the history of Islamic offensive wars against the neighboring peaceful countries by saying,
"Muhammad had begun to send troops and initiate campaigns against the Syrian borders such as the campaign of Mu'ta and Tabuk. Then the rightly guided caliphs ruled after him and the conquest continued. (The Arabs) conquered Iraq, Persia, and Syria whose faith was Christianity and which were inhabited by the Syrians, Armenians, some Jews and some Byzantines. Then Egypt and North Africa were conquered. When the Umayyad took over after the rightly guided caliphs, they conquered the Sind, Khawarizm, and Samarqand. They annexed them to the lands of the Islamic state."
http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/offensivewartospreadislam.html |
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masadi
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