I left Islam

[tranquility]

sum quick question

have you fully read and understood the koran? have you aproached it with a clear and open mind

read it like you know nothing of muslims, you know nothing of whats been happening

because a clear conscience can make better decisions than a mind thats stained and riddled with prejducies and bad experiences.

i think we can agree on that if we agree on anything at all...

theres good and bad, a positive cant exist without a negative
this exists in islam the good muslims who get on with thier own lives
live in peace will not harm or provoke, will only defend if threatend.

true muslims all practise avoiding conflicts in anyway possible, even when the situation gets very heated indeed, for example someone disgracing islam or the prophet [pbuh] fighting straight away without discussion, wihtout investigation is not what a true muslim would do, the person who is disgracing islam could be mentally handicapped so the subject is ignored and the true muslims go about thier way. for example if george bush said he spoke to god on a mobile phone and he was in a muslim country, the true muslims would put him in a mental hospital and inspect him to see if hes still sane or not, a un true muslim would kill him straight away.

this is the difference between a true and untrue muslim

as allah has told us, we must be patient, we must be kind and aviod unlawful actions, we must educate and observe even in the most desperate of times, for only allah can resolve these issues in due course.


Do you think that there is an Islamic political movement which is intent on subjecting the whole world to Islamic rule?

this statement brings a smile to my face, since the islamic countrys cant even establish pure islam within thier walls let alone on a global scene.

but yes there is many islamic parties in syria, iraq, iran and plaestine that want total islamic rule and death to any opposers.

Don`t forget that the Koran wants all religion to be for Allah.

yes indeed for there is only one god, what the jews, christains and muslims all belive in the same one god, but theres only one true way and
that way is islam.

let me ask you who are you most concerned about, these fanatical muslims or god the almighty?

do you fear man or do you fear the almighty the creater of everything we see before us..?

you cant prove that theres no god, and deep inside you might be concerned that there is, and when u die youll find out. but it would be too late then

this is the test we are given, to truely belive in god, can we submit ourselves to the divine?

why are you saying you non muslims are on the recieving end?

you are provided with food, shelter, the warmth from the sun, the rains to feed your first, the almight has provided you with everything you require, even if you still dont belive the almighty will continue to provide for all and you will enjoy your life, but its not ever lasting like the after life is.

but let me repeat myself, you cant prove that theres no god, so can we agree that soemthing we cant prove and come to a conclusion to would arise some concern?

[sum]

Hello tranquility

I think that you have refused to truly acknowledge what you see happening in the world about you. Virtually all fighting in the world involves muslims. You say that no country has established true Islam. Could it be that there is no true Islam as muslims have their own individual ideas? If the masses in a muslim country are unhappy with the way they are being governed there is nothing they can do about it. If true democracy was allowed the masses would be able to have their say and establish true Islam if that is what they wanted. This does not happen and is a great weakness of the Islamic system as the masses just have to accept what they are told. Would an Islamic country allow a Jew to stand for election? Would an Islamic country allow secular non Islamic candidates to stand for election to represent the masses?

You ask if I am more frightened of the fanatical muslims or god. I am very concerned about these fanatical muslims but not about god. The Christians love their god but muslims fear Allah. Muslims fear hell. I do not believe in god and resent any religious movement that wants me to eventually live in a restrictive religious environment.

What will happen to me when I die if I don`t believe in god? The truth is - no-one knows. It is all pure speculation with no supporting evidence at all.

You say that the Jews, Christians and muslims all worship the same god. They certainly do not. Allah is a new invention and has nothing in common with the Christian God. All you have to do is read the New Testament and compare the teachings of Jesus, plus his way of life, and compare these with the Koran and Muhammad. There is scant mercy and compassion in Allah and Muhammad. There is an abundance in Christianity. There is no comparison and the two gods are not the same. Ask yourself where the loves lies in these religions - Islam or Christianity?

I have read the Koran. I have read two English translations - Dawood and Arberry. I was truly shocked when I read it and can quite understand why people leave Islam when they have read it.

You say that one man read the Koran for 50yrs and there were still some verses that he couldn`t understand. All the Koranic scholars state that some verses do not make sense no matter how you translate them. What Allah is thinking about when these were revealed beggars belief. I think that mistakes were made. On top of that, despite the Koran saying that it is in Arabic there are many words in other languages and some not known in any language.

I think that you will have to open your mind to the possibility that the Koran is not a compilation of revelations but a construct of Muhammad to futher his own selfish ends and his lust for power, wealth and women.

This is the most likely of all the possibilities. Open your mind to this possibility.

sum

[sum]

Hello tranquility

I would like to ask if you just read the Koran when you decided to convert to Islam? Did you look at Islamic websites or read pamphlets given out by the mosque? The reason that I am asking is that I find it astonishing to believe that someone who has made a genuine investigation into Islam and sees all the hate, intolerance and violence can be persuaded to accept it as a religion. Did you see all the hate, intolerance and violence before you became a muslim?

I can only presume that you became a muslim without realising the full implications. Did you receive much information from the mosque?

sum

[tranquility]

can you pick out a part in the quran which youll think will aid someone in thier daily life activites.?

[tranquility]

it was a combination of my own research, educating myself and my farther educating me.


i can only presume that you became a muslim without realising the full implications

none for me, but as you state you dont belive in god, so everything i say is just nonsense to you,

but theres no gaurentee that you will stay a athiest, its amazing how the unlikely ones convert and its amazing how those who once belived strongly no dont anymore.

religion will always exist with us, someone said here i think that islam will die out slowly like communism, well we will have to wait and see ;]
with islam being the fastest growing religion on the planet, its a very long wait indeed.

[Reza F.]

[dhruva1961]

Dear Diane,

We humans have been empowered and bestowed with the CONSCIOUSNESS. The consciousness is the source of awareness, free thinking, will, desires, dreams, knowledge etc. This is the ground where we use logic, beliefs and morality as per our own convictions. This conciousness acts as the forum to testify our thoughts and beliefs so that we can navigate ourselves in the proper direction based our own deeds and discoveries and not according to the predetermined set of values and beliefs as imposed by others. If this testing and retesting does not find place in our conciousness than nothing will improve. Thus conciousness ultimately help us to navigate our lives in the proper direction which is beneficial to the individual and others. This conciousness is thus capable of invoking awareness and will at your own freedom.

The awareness and will in you has already been invoked congratulations to you for the same

dhruva

[sum]

Hello tranquility

You asked if there was anything in the Koran that would help me through my life. I find that there is nothing in the Koran that is any better than the Golden Rule. In fact the Golden Rule is infinitely better than the Koran as there is no hate, intolerance and violence in it.

You didn`t tell me if you saw the hate, intolerance and violence in the Koran. Did you see all this and, if so, how did you manage to accept it all was from a merciful and compassionate god?

sum

[armour_piercing_bullets]

very good story.

i always wonder...why this so called god send only men as prophet....
that too only in desert of middle east ??

why no women ?? or why not to any other geographic ??

is god so crazy as to allow only illitrate or semi
literate ppl like abraham,moses,jesus,muhamed
to be his prophett ??

definately the pseudo monoatheist arabs r stupid to believe such stories but not people who seek the truth.

the reason is bcoz only stupid desert arabs hv all the time in the world,
being in desert and nother better to do to think of such fake fanciful stories of god/allah/messengers/son of god etc...

religion especially the fake desert arab abrahamic relgiions
r a disease and truth is the only cure.

apb

[Philomena]

Dear Diane,

I've been visiting the Faith Freedom site for years, and this is the first time I've posted a message here.

I'm posting for the first time exactly because of you.

Your story is one of the most moving things I've ever read.

I believe that your soul made contact with the Holy Spirit.

Diane ... you don't know me, and I don't know you.

I am a Christian. I don't prosetylize.

I'd just like to say that if you would like to exchange an email or two with me on the topic of Christianity, I am available.

Just let me know, however one does that here.

If not, that's fine. The God with whom you have been communicating, through your prayers, will bring you to a satisfying spiritual home.

Thank you so much for your story and your example.

May God continue to be with you.

[Reza F.]

Also Diane, I suggest you start reading some eastern philosophies, such as Taoism and Buddhism. They are quite analogous to your beliefs about the 'higher power'.

[true muslim]

i am very sorry, but the only feelings i am able to feel after reading ur testimony, is pity. i pity you diane, for you have left the greatest religion of all, no, the only religion that's true. islam is not about violence , islam is about peace. all i can say is, one day , the truth will come out, and when that day comes, no one would be there for you, to grant you heaven, or the right path. allah doesn't need us, we are the ones who need him, we are poor and he's the one who gives and gives and gives. i hope that one day, i hope that when it's not too late that you are guided to the right path, because seriously, when i read what you wrote, i had goosebumps and said how wrong you are about islam. The holy Quran doesn't tell us to kill, but to submit to allah. i mean isn't it obvious? who created us? who created the world? the universe? did we just happen to be alive? is adam immaculately concieved? of course not. for every creation there is a creator, and allah is the creator of us all and of everything. and he guides whom he sees fit to his light: (( Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things. )) verse 35, soorat al noor.
this life is nothing but a test. we either pass or fail. if we study hard we get rewarded, if we don't we fail. but alas, as allah said in his great book, most of the people are disbelievers. i talk from a personal experience, i never felt peaceful, or happy, or content until i got closer to allah. believe me when i say, this life is NOTHING compared to the lives we'll be leading in the after life. that's the real life, that's when it counts. because it's going to be forever. i read when you said that whenever you tried getting closer to allah u felt bad. well there is a verse from the quran that says:(( Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? They descend on every lying, wicked person, Into whose ears they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars)) verse 221,222,223 soorat al shuaara. there must have been something wrong with what you did.
i could have slandered you, or said bad stuff about you, or threatened you. but i didn't. why? not because of the site's regulations, because with or without them i still wouldn't. because, it's not in my hands to do so, allah will give each and every one of us what he deserves.

[true muslim]

Allah has bestowed many miracles over the times that have passed, to make people aware that this is the true religion. Mohamed may peace be upon him, was an illiterate man,NOT, because it was stupid, far from it. it's a sign to the disbelievers that the prophet may peace be upon him, doesn't invent stuff, and that it's truly from Allah. everything that has been said in the hadith, or holy quran, is happening. many things happen, but people always close their eyes. the prophet was a man of peace, a man of great kindness, a man of the highest of manners. how can anyone slander him? he is the messenger of Allah. we must love allah and his prophet more than ourselves, why?? because they made it possible for us to be on the right path. of course we love them more. ( Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
) verse 56,57,58,59 soorat al ahzab. i really pity those people who dare to malign the prophet from what they'll get.oh, and one more thing. it's not only about men, women are respected in islam. if they aren't, then why does Allah care if they get unwanted approaches?

[gupsfu]

[norabelle]