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Spirituality -A garden of wisdom. Jiddu Krishnamurti
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunset over Pie de la Cuesta, near Acapulco, where I stayed for three weeks. Tourists from Acapulco were coming by full buses to watch this glory, while I was living on this very beach with some Californian hippies.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was there, one might say, that Spirituality was 'revealed' to me...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krishnamurti, on LOVE.
--Love is not to be cultivated. Love cannot be divide into divine and physical; it's only love -not that you love many or the one. That again is an absurd question to ask: ''Do you love all?'' You know, a flower that has perfume is not concerned who comes to smell it, or who turns his back upon it. So is love. Love is not a memory. Love is not a thing of the mind or the intellect. But it comes into being naturally as compassion, when this whole problem of existence -as fear, greed, envy, despair, hope- has benn understood and resolved. An ambitious man cannot love. A man who is attached to his family has no love.Nor has jealousy anything to do with love. When you say, ''I love my wife,'' you really don't mean it, because the next moment you are jealous of her.

Love implies great freedom -not to do what you like. But love comes only when the mind is very quiet, disinterested, not self-centered. These ar not ideals. If you have no love do what you will -go after all the gods on earth, do all the social activities, try to reform the poor, the politics, write books, write poems- you are a dead human being. And without love your problems will increase, multiply endlessly. And with love, do what you will, there is no risk; there is no conflict. Then love is the essence of virtue. And a mind that is not in a state of love is not a religious mind at all. And it is only the religious mind that is freed from problems, and that knows the beauty of love and truth.
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''You know, a flower that has perfume is not concerned who comes to smell it, or who turns his back upon it. So is love. Love is not a memory. Love is not a thing of the mind or the intellect. But it comes into being naturally as compassion'' JK

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lotus symbolized LIFE to many archaic and ancient cultures such as in Egypt and throughout the Middle East. It is still the sacred flower in Hinduism, not to mention the lotus position in Yoga...

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Between Life and Love, looks like there's only a lotus pond to cross...
Krishna and his beloved, Radha...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An orchid in all its 'Solomon's Glory'...

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Krishnamurti, on desire...
Excerpts from three conferences in Ojaj, Los Angeles and Ommen in 1930.
http://www.krishnamurtiaustralia.org/articles/desire.htm

--Everyone in brief wants to interpret life according to his own desires, or in terms of the particular system or religion to which he belongs. Now, if you wish to understand truth in its totality, you cannot come to it along any of these lines, because life is all inclusive; it lies beyond all philosophies, beyong the garland of words, beyong ugliness and beauty, beyond poverty and riches; and yet, because it is beyond these, it is in them all. So, if you would realize with serious intent, you must grasp at this fullness, this totality, and must free yourself from all the special fantasies of desire.

Life, as an inner principle, is the completeness of thought and love; and the way to this completeness is from the personal to the impersonal. There must ever, therefore, be a conflict between emotion and mind until they become poised in self-existent happiness in the liberated life.

All particular desires -whether they be of the poet or the philosopher, or of the thoughtless seeker after pleasure- are, at bottom, the desire for this self-existent, enduring happiness. That is your own life -separate as it is, caught in reactions, urged aboutby fear- is really seeking. For life, this is its ultimate potentiality, which it is ever craving to bring into actualization...

Any unreal satisfaction of the inner want, which we call desire, is usually accompanied by a desire to pass on all this unreality to somebody else. I will explain. You want to give understanding and love in a particular way, which is your way; and you are hurt when this is not accepted. But such giving is the giving of illusion, not reality. Also, there is cruelty in it, for it arises from the desire to dominate, to guide, and control; and it is out of this king of giving that we get our steel-bound morality. (...)

But, if you are not giving or wanting something, what are you? You are Being, which is the only positive thing in man. Being is fearless and does not depend on anything outside itself; hence it does not cast a shadow. It knows no separation and it is immortal. And so, when you as an individual enter into that pure Being, you become the delight of life's expression, because you have been through everything. Such Being is life,s fulfillment. That is what everyone is seeking -to be himself; not to depend on external things for his wanting or giving. When you are such Being, you are as the sunshine in which all things grow and in which there is nothing which is either evil or good, bad or indifferent.

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Now desire, contrary to the general belief, is the most precious possession of man. It is the eternal flame of life; it is life itself. When its nature and functions are not understood, however, it becomes cruel, tyrannical, bestial, stupid. Therefore your business is not to kill desire as most spiritual people in the world are trying to do, but to understand it. If you kill your desire, you are like the withered branch of a lovely tree.

Desire must keep growing and find out its true meaning through conflict and friction. Only bt continuance of the conflict can understanding come. This is what most people do not see. As soon as the conflict comes, and the sorrow born of conflict, they at once seek comfort. Comfort, in its turn, breeds fear. Fear leads to imitation and the sheltering behind established tradition. From this come rigid systems of morality, laying down what is spiritual and what is not spiritual. (...)

As soon as you fear, you have the desire to conform, to listen to everybody, to become a machine, a type. And all this is but contraction, and contraction is slow death. It is not in this way that desire can ever fulfill itself. (...)

The goal of life is, therefore, not something far off, to be attained only in the distant future, but it is to be realized moment by moment in that NOW which is all eternity. (...) The man who is seeking happiness, and understands what he is seeking, must have no divorce between his desires and his actions. (...) In other words, all his actions will show forth that poise of reason and of love, which is desire's true goal because it is the liberation of life.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

''Still for every place in the wrold that's suffering from religious strife, there are many more where spirituality is doing its uplifting and civilizing work.'' -Robert Cloninger.

Art works and shoveling over the Berlin Wall...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Father John S. Romanides
--If I believe that God is just waiting to punish those who refuse to join my church or that most people won't join because they haven't been elected, then we would have a hard time maintaining the case of tolerance, let alone religious freedom and mutual respect.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monarch XIII to Houston, landing in five seconds. Roger.

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Houston to Monarch XIII, the rescue team cannot find you. Please give us your position. Roger.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anthony de Mello:
You say to the Awaked person, ''Why are you happy?'' and the awakened person replies, ''Why not?''

Celestial fireworks...

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Anthony deMello
--To acquire happiness you don't have to do anything, because happiness cannot be acquired. How can you acquire what you already have?

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Anthony deMello:
Life is easy, life is delightful. Its only hard on your illusion, your ambitions, your greed, your cravings.

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