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rudrasharman

Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 517

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

Here's the link for proofs of Allah's existence

Abdul Abu Saffiyah is an imbecile. Please try again.
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Donnie Darko

Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1760
Location: Dar al-Harb

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

Everybody is born Muslim.
In submission to Allah
Its teh influence of soceity that makes them disbelief.
So here is guidance for you .
You can say " La ilaha Illal lah Muhammadar Rasul Allah" rightn ow and become Muslim
Nobody's stopping you

Nope. It was Allah's decision to create non-Muslims, just as he created Muslims. Remember, Allah is all-knowing, so nothing gets by him. If he forsaw that a non-believer would apostatize from Islam, and he persisted in creating him, then the reason for this particular ex-believer's departure from Islam isn't due to the influence of society. It was simply Allah's plan.

Take a minute to register this concept before you respond.
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Donnie Darko

Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1760
Location: Dar al-Harb

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

WHen I give you the links to listen to audio, you blah blah blah with me .
If u had heard the filel ink I gave you, you would have gotten answer to this question

You have yet to answer my question. Does Allah speak in that audio clip?

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You know Einstein theory of relativity.
Time started when this universe came into existence
Who brought it inoto existence >? Allah did !
Allah is not a part of thsi universe.He is outside this universe.
SO anybody who is outside the universe and looks at the universe would be able to see past, present and future.
So Allah knows past present and future.
You are in this universe and you don't
if you don't get it then please request the audio link
Thansk

You mean this is your proof of Allah's existence? If so, please don't beg the users to listen to that audio clip, since it's contents are as assinine as your wild conjectures.
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Junkmaster

Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2922

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:48 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

Junkmaster wrote:

ahmed085 wrote:

Who brought it inoto existence >? Allah did !

You don't seem to understand the basic concept of a theory, but just to give you a chance why don't you give us yours for claiming Allah brought the universe into existence and then prove it. Then you can make statements like the one above, until then you are just making guesses like every other religion/cult.

Here's the link for proofs of Allah's existence
http://server1.aswatalislam.net/Audios/Lectures%5CShabir%20Ally%5C/Shabir%20Ally%20-%20Living%20in%20an%20Atheistic%20Society%20(www.aswatalislam.net).mp3

Let me remind you Allah is watching, and you aren't doing a very good job of defending him! That link doesn't even work. This will be remembered on Judgement day. My mouse is going to say to Allah, "Junkmaster tried to click on that Link Ahmed gave to prove your existence, but it didn't even work."

Allah is going to ask my mouse, "You mean to tell me, that Ahmed couldn't even be bothered to copy and paste the proof my of existence, or listen to the audio clip and write it down word for word?" Then my mouse is going to say, "Apparently so, sir!"

I hope you have prayed extra, dear Ahmed.
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ahmed085

Joined: 24 Dec 2005
Posts: 165
Location: Duluth, Minnesota

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:

Junkmaster wrote:

ahmed085 wrote:

Junkmaster wrote:

ahmed085 wrote:

Who brought it inoto existence >? Allah did !

Allah never wants me to defen him. He only wants us to talk to non believers in the best manner so that they understand Islam

You have to do ur hmework to find the right religion.
I am here to guide you . If you wanna listen then do .other wise I don''t have anything to loose.
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rudrasharman

Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 517

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

Allah never wants me to defen him. He only wants us to talk [...]

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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

SHAKIR: Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

ahmed085 wrote:

[...] to non believers in the best manner so that they understand Islam

Quote:

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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.

SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

ahmed085 wrote:

You have to do ur hmework to find the right religion.

Islam is perfect for criminals.

ahmed085 wrote:

I am here to guide you.

Actually, you are here to learn Islam from us.
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Junkmaster

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

Not according to this muslim who wrote:

http://www.islamicfinder.org/articles/article.php?id=414&lang=english wrote:

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 3:31)

We are also under obligation to defend his canonical law as much as we can in accordance with the situation involved. If the enemy were to use arguments and ambiguities, we would have to resort to science and counter arguments to refute their allegations and reveal their ill grounds. Should they use weapons and guns, it is then incumbent upon us to utilize identical means. A believer can never stand tongue-tied while his sacred law is being undermined or the Noble Prophet slandered.

Better hope that you are the true muslim and this guy is a false muslim. So far all you have done is stand around tongue-tied.

You haven't refuted any of our allegations or revealed their ill grounds. It isn't to late to save your soul from the hellfire. I believe Allah will let you slide if you refute at least one. There are plenty to choose from, so take your time.
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Mullah ul Haq

Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Posts: 40
Location: NWFP

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: fan club

Hi everybody i am back, jim bob it is. um i was thinking of setting up a internet based fan club for ali sina because dr sina's supporters seem to growing by the day. Me being his biggest supporter and follower feel that a fan club should be set up. Who agrees with me? jim bob

STEAM

Joined: 09 Nov 2005
Posts: 7645
Location: Hopefully out of fanatics' reach

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: fan club

Mullah ul Haq wrote:

Hi everybody i am back, jim bob it is.

um i was thinking of setting up a internet based fan club for ali sina because dr sina's supporters seem to growing by the day. Me being his biggest supporter and follower feel that a fan club should be set up. Who agrees with me?

jim bob

I do!

Junkmaster

Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2922

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: fan club

Mullah ul Haq wrote:

Hey Bob,

I don't think a "fan club" would be appropriate considering Ali Sina's motto is "Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own."

With that said, I support your right to do whatever you like as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.
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doubtless

Joined: 17 Feb 2004
Posts: 6442

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: fan club

Mullah ul Haq wrote:

Instead of spending time on the fan club, how about spending time contributing to some research for the front page at FFI. Or even spending the same time raising awarness of islam in your community? IMO, A fan club will be destructive for the aims of FFI and AliSina.
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Junkmaster

Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2922

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject:

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YUSUFALI: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
PICKTHAL: Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.
SHAKIR: Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

009.123
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

008.015
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.

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YUSUFALI: If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
PICKTHAL: Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end.
SHAKIR: And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.

My Dear Ahmed085,

I hope that you have just temporarily retreated in order to bring forth more Muslim warriors to our little battle of words, because it is clear to me from the above quotes from the Quran, that if Allah exists, he is not going to be pleased with you. Do you have any slaves to set free?
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ahmed085

Joined: 24 Dec 2005
Posts: 165
Location: Duluth, Minnesota

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:

Junkmaster wrote:

ahmed085 wrote:

Not according to this muslim who wrote:

http://www.islamicfinder.org/articles/article.php?id=414&lang=english wrote:

If you were in a Muslim state and went about saying rubbish on streets, you would have been hanged.
Or you can try fighting a Islamic state or a force of Muslims. They will smite at you neck just like Allah wants.
But here , nobody cares as you are doing no harm to Muslms. But only to yourself by denying guidance,
So eat what you produce
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Junkmaster

Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2922

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:56 am Post subject:

ahmed085 wrote:

If you were in a Muslim state and went about saying rubbish on streets, you would have been hanged.

This statement alone should tell you that you follow a madman and not the words of Allah.

ahmed085 wrote:

Or you can try fighting a Islamic state or a force of Muslims. They will smite at you neck just like Allah wants.

Might makes right mentality. If I can't beat my opponent in a battle of words, then I shall kill him. This again should indicate to you that Muhammad was evil.

ahmed085 wrote:

But here , nobody cares as you are doing no harm to Muslms. But only to yourself by denying guidance,
So eat what you produce

Keep praying this is true, but the truth has a life of its own especially when you can't just stamp it out with your murderous religion.
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bushbadee

Joined: 19 Feb 2004
Posts: 2294
Location: Account Retired

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:

Ali Sina wrote

Quote:

Why would any sane person want to believe in a lie?

I do not know.
Ask one of the billion or so Christians.
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