Islamophobia

[Ali Sina]

Islamophobia


By Ali Sina
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Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

[Hana]

Interesting how much the Muslim writings are the same no matter where they come from or who writes them. One of my first assumptions about Islam that was shattered immediately was the myth of pluralistic diversity in Islamic community. As you look at Muslim writings all over the internet the sameness of the writings even from different sects becomes evident. Islamic diversity my a**. Sometimes I think there is a masterbook somewhere with templates that the Muslims use.

That said, I'd just like to comment on this part as I've read the book in question,

Mr. Iftikhar Ahmad wrote:

[lilith]

[Misnomer]

[a_student]

[lilith]

interesting. they have(had) their own website Amazigh. they recall (seven brothers story)how they were islamised.(force)
and how the quraan relates the story wrong.
living proof of a mistake in the quraan.

Let me see what i have (a long time ago don't even know if i kept it.

The origin of the pilgrimage to the Seven Men of
Marrakesh goes back to the 17th century. The Sufi
Saint Sidi Al-Yusi was asked by the Alaouite Sul-
tan Moulay Isma'il to design the order and promote
this pilgrimage. By doing so he entered forever in-
to Morocco's rich history.

Moulay Isma'il's motives for the institution of
said pilgrimage were not entirely spiritual in
nature. He had suffered a military defeat from the
Chiadma tribe who based their victory on the help
of their spiritual "Seven Men". Therefore the Sul-
tan desired a similar "Seven Men Pilgrimage" and
especially in Marrakesh from where the unsuccess-
ful military expedition had started.

The Sufi Saint Al-Yusi, due to his widespread po-
pularity and spiritual authority, was the ideal
man for the promotion of this project which in no
time out-shined the "Seven Men" of the Chiadma
tribe. Even nowadays when mentioning "the Seven Men"
people automatically relate this to Marrakesh.

it's a bit different. john also comes in it somewhere and they converted from christian to islam.
well they mention sufi here. they keep very low profile now a days if i'm right.
They have a big community in canada. (how's your french?)

imazighen philosophers: ibn khaldoen ,ibn rushd(also known as averroes),ibn hazm,ibn tufayl,ibn bajja...
and persian names as ibn sina(a.k.a. avicenna) alrrazi and albokhari..
they don't mind islam but recent being called arabs(somebody calls them sheep that came with the Berber.)
Well look into it.
I only have a dutch forum on it.
So i'm not ready yet to delete my first statements, because somewhere in the back of my mind...and the resentment towards things arab!
Their language(tamazigh) was also lost as the written part is concerned. Destroyed by islam/arab. As if they should have no more identity.
It's a strange mix.
Averhoe was also Amazigh. 'great philosopher.'
Averhoe used principles as used by the church to promote religion, keep theology and what people should know to the ruling class (when a muslim throws in your face that the argument is not for the once that are feeble minded or have no knowledge on the language or would take things to literally when they should be seen as allegory, further of course the only valid book is the quraan(keep the people ignorant)), and not to believe is akin to evil and to believe to good.
He was aware of john(as in the bible) and used these concepts on islam.
So whenever you feel put upon just consider it the christian influence in islam.

[DoctorNO]

A damn good article.

[Maximus]

DoctorNo

[Billy Goat]

Ha Ha!

I loved the response that Ali Sina gave to this guy. Sometimes I wonder what he would be like in a live debate. I know one thing for sure, I would love to see the look on this Iftikhar guys face as he is systematically trashed on every single point he has made. Although something tells me he would probably leave non the wiser.

[peace4U]

Hi Billy!

I think that most ex-muslims feel like you do and would love to just go out in the streets and scream out what you found out.

But this would hardly help. Each day I am discussing with mulims and they all tell the same and they never admit that there is something wrong with Qu´ran or Sunnah.

So if you go out and scream this would just be risky for yourself and nobody would listen.

Best ex-muslims can do is to join anonymous forums, to tell their story and to try to make people think about islam.

This way so many people all over the world will be informed and nobody of you will be harmed.

You do not have to be embarrassed that you do not dare to speak out in front of your family. Everyone in this forum can understand that this is difficult situation. Nobody wants to make his family sad, nobody wants to maybe even lose his/her family.

So better just stay here. Tell people about your experiences with islam and inform both muslims and non-muslims what islam really looks like.
This is hard work. Even if I tell my non-muslim friends about islam they often try to defend islam, telling me that christian WERE not any better,....

But we will keep on in our non-violent fight against this dogma.

peace4U
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Stop the violence committed by islam!

[sbode]

I had joined a discussion board at About.com at:
http://forums.about.com/ab-islam. I enjoy this site because you can read and tell the truth. I thought I'd see what would happen if I spoke the truth there. I am really not surprised. They took down many of my posts, which I do not find surprising.

I know one of the reasons why Islam at this time is raising itself and on the move to conquer, is the Internet. People can learn the truth and it cannot stand up against truth.

I quoted the news of late, and I asked how can you people continue to believe in a religion that beheads civilians, cuts off people's hands, recommends wife beating, dresses kids up like for Halloween as suicide bombers, even attacking your own Muslim people, raping, so much raping going on in Africa. I pointed out that Africa has the worst problem of AID's and when the Muslim men go home to their wives... oh, well, that their wives have AID's should be a no-brainer, but apparently it isn't.

CENSORED.

But not here. Thank God (not Allah, I am a Christian).

I told them it needed to stop. But they don't want it to stop, is what I am feeling.

And what will the ultimate end of life be if they carry out their world conquest, I shouldn't really worry because I am outspoken, always have been. I wouldn't live to see it and I am sure that those who participate in agreement that this religion should be stopped, are marked people already.

I am reminded of what one man said about the Natzi's, "They came and took the Jews away, but I was not Jewish, so I remained silent. They came and took the Mentally Ill away, but none in my household had the disease. One after another, one group after another and I said nothing. And they came and then took me away, and there was no one left to say anything."

John Donne, English poet, who wrote "For Whom the Bell Tolls", ends his poem by reminding us that "no man is an island, each man's death diminishes me for I am involved with mankind, so do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for me."

I studied that in high school over 30 years ago and I still remember it and am moved by it's sentiments.

Many in American are not willing to discuss either religion or politics. And for a long time the papers have remained silent about the attrocities taking place in Muslim countries. But there are the editorials, and I am glad there are the forums on the Internet.

Good, work, Mr. Sina, and may you be blessed and guarded by God.

Sally Bode

[marky]

Ali's article was very good. Firm and to the point. He slaughtered the Muslim chap. Crash and burn.

What is so funny about all this, is when average people who know nothing about Islam except for what happens in the news are confronted by Muslims who always say, "Islam is a religion of peace".

It sort of makes Muslims that say this look like idiots or liars.

I would much more respect a Muslim spokesperson (probably a man) that would say, "Yes, Islam is violent, but I choose to teach only peace". At least a bit more honest. However, I have not even been aware of this simple thing ever happening.

Islam at the present time seems like an elastic band that is stretching more and more. (Muslims only by birth on one end, terrorists on the other end). Sooner or later, it will snap.
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No need to hide behind slogans of deceit, Claiming that you're a religion of peace, We just don't believe you, We can clearly see through, The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad ... (Stuck Mojo - Open Season)

[DavidE]

By the time the Ottomans reconquered Jerusalem in 1648, many of the European countries were staking their claim in the Americas, and even busier fighting each other. The victory in 1648 that this Muslim writer brags so much here was essentially an abandonment.

[lilith]

Hi sally and billy.
...yes but nevertheless, they'll get over it, it's a phase.
have you had reactions like that?

I looked for the qoute for a long time. it always comes up in times of trouble:
Quotes From The Holocaust

"In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me-and by that time no one was left to speak up."

-Reverend Martin Niemoller
This allways touched me and now with the hordes of prejudice on the move again I just wanted it to be known.

There are many variations on this statement.
But it makes realy clear what lies at the basis of suppression.
Nobody can fight alone.

[Hana]

Billy Goat wrote: