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[dragonpoo]

hey. Ive been reading this forum and website for a few days and found it to be very informative and interesting.

i am a bit worried about soemone and i thought that maybe somebody here could help me. i am not a muslim or anything, but i wondered if someone here understands and could offer any advice.

Basically i have a muslim friend who i have known since i was very young.

she is a really nice person, and I see her relatively often.

Now the problem is that she has become a very religious person, but not religious in a good way, she seems so angry all the time, and she has really strange views on things.

for example she thinks that things like "fornication" are wrong, even though she has had a few boyfriends before she went into the religious phase. she doesnt wear a veil, but she always covers up her arms and legs even in summer.

she told me how there wer millions of plots to destroy islam throughout the world and how the world was controlled by Jews. i found this horrible because i am a jew and she seemed to totally believe it all.

now she always goes to these muslim events and conferences about islam, she is always hearing this stuff. i know that if i showed her this website she'd never speak to me again. i feel kinda guilty because she seems to be so proud and everything about her religion, and i shouldnt really criticise her about it.

she said that islam was the right religion and that i should convert to it. i didnt really know wot to say to that. she thinks that the end of the world is going to come soon when "the people are godless and the world is in ruins".

she is 18 by the way.

does anyone have any advice or if not just to help me understand a bit more about it? cos i dont really understand it at all.

[HAL 9000]

Hello Dragonpoo

Sorry to hear about your friend. She sounds like a perfect example of having a MEME (a mind virus that infects religious people). All you can really do is sit back and let time go. At this stage, she will not listen to reason, or if she does, she will probably refute everything you say to her as being un-Islamic. Only time will tell whether or not she get out of this phase.

HAL 9000

[dragonpoo]

another thing is that I am gay and i used to be able to talk about women and girlfriends with her, she has never stated implicitly that homosexuality is wrong but i get the feeling that she thinks it because of her other statements.

i no longer feel comfortable talking to her about this stuff and its putting our friendship in danger

[yeezevee]

[UnderDog]

dragonpoo

[dragonpoo]

no she doesnt know my name on this forum, i was a bit cautious about giving my real name or much info about me incase someone i knew read it.

im in my last year at high school.

i was really surrpised by her views actually until i found out that loads of other people thought them.

[brigitte]

Welcome Dragonpoo,

What happens to your friend is nothing exceptional, it is just islam. If you ran through this forum, you will know what islam is all about and your friend's behaviour and way of thinking will only become more and more clear to you.
She is a victim, victim of islam. Islam turns human beings into sad zombies, that are not friendly or comprehensive to anything but islam. That is very sad, but it is just the way it is.
If you still want to go on with this friendship, you might from time to time occasionally drop a few hints to her, such as "this or that non-muslim person is very kind and good, don't you think so?" or other thoughts that you can find around here, just to try to make her think.
Maybe your friend is going through a difficult stage in her life and that might be why she is falling into the real islam (according to the description you gave she is a real muslim). Compare it to a cult, cults always find a good public in people who are experiencing trouble and at the age of 18 everyone is having trouble somehow, isn't it?
It looks to me that the madrassah your friend is attending doesn't do her any good, I'm pretty sure that's where she gets her fundamentalist ideas...
If you really love your friend, don't let her down, be there for her whenever she might need you.
As for the fact that you are gay, homosexuality is severely forbidden in islam, but I know it is also in judaism. If your friend is a real muslim she won't accept the way you are. Up to you to live with the idea your friend is despising you for what you are. Why not open a discussion with her on this item, pointing out to her that you are a good person who used to be her good friend? Well, I guess that is taking the risk of loosing her friendship, but anyhow you'll loose that if she goes on in the direction she's moving now.

All the best,

Brigitte
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[dragonpoo]

thank you for your advice

people in my religion have never judged me for who i am and when i first came out my friend was very accepting.

i dont know her views about it now, but judging by the other things she says i can probably guess. I should really talk to her about it when i see her next. if she doesnt hate me for who i am then i guess that is a step in the right direction.

thank you

[yeezevee]

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dranopoo
i would like to say that ask her what she is getting by being religious.

as you said that she loses her temper many times .you should simply point this to her that by being religious she is only getting more angry.no need to attack her religion.

you could also tell her that by saying something against jews she is ruining your friendship.

[SteelAngel]

[DoctorNO]

Dranopoo,

Your friend had made up her mind and is on the height of her fanaticm. There is nothing you could do to change her outlook. The only thing you could do is by being a good example of a good & proud NON-MUSLIM. Be a good friend and a good human being around her. Dont treat her any differently. Do good things to her. Sometimes the heart is the door to the mind.The way she dresses is perfectly fine. The way she sees fornication is fine. You can only safely confront her views whenever she gives a false and negative generalization of the world around you. Whenever she does this, look at the positively aspects of the subject being discussed and cheerfully tell her about it. That the non-islamic world is really a good place. Whenever she talks about jewish conspiracy theories just let her know that as far as you personally know there are no jews trying to control the world. That the only jews you know are the same as everybody else... trying to make a decent living to improve their lives.

[dragonpoo]

thank you for all your advice. i will carry on talking to her and being her friend. it is hard for me though to hear this stuff.i've been friends with her since i was a child.

i dont think she thinks that i am evil. her family arent that religious. i dont live in the usa.

i'll carry on being her friend, i never judge anyone and would support her in her decision whatever she did. its been something thats been worrying me a while though and i dont want her turning into someone that is in a cult, i always thought that islam was an OK religion.

she thinks all these companys support israel, they were just nromal shops and things, and she was pointin em all out to me in the street. i have never heard of these shops supporting israel. i dont know how to tell her she is wrong.

i just want her to be the person she was before before she got into all this stuff, with a sense of humour and that you could tell everything too.

[paz]

Dragonpoo, I think you need to bring up some facts about Islam with her that she may not know yet.

Mohammad Married his favorite and most famous wife Aishah when she was 6 and consummated that marriage when Aishah was 9. Mohammad was 54 at the time. This is confirmed in Sahih Bukhari hadith.

Take a heinous fact about Islam likethis one, that can be confirmed, and ask her about it "innocently." Find more of these facts and get her contemplating them.

If her mind is not closed yet, she will begin to question.

I am making an effort to start a support group to help people like you in a situation like yours: You see a loved one being swallowed by Islam, and want to do something about it. We want to help you to get her thinking so she will not lose her life (figuratively OR literally) to Islam, and so that you won't lose your dear friend.

http://knowislam.info/drupal/?q=node/view/31

and the forum here: www.KnowIslam.info/forum

Come see us, & keep posting here. I and others will help you with this, we understand.
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