The Religion of Love

[Ali Sina]

The Religion of Love
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Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

[Mullah Mo]

[love]

[Ali Sina]

Krishnamurthi was a phylosopher. He was born in India but he was not a Hindu. What he taught was inspiring and truthful. Would his teachings become less relevant had he been a Hindu?

It would be a mistake if we accepted or rejected ideas on the basis of who expresses them. This is called prejudice. One has to appreciate beauty and truth no matter where he finds them. No one has authority over the truth. The truth can be expressed by a Hindu, a jew, an atheist or even a Muslim.

As Rand explained Muslims have no understanding of the truth. They can accept something as truth, no matter how assinine it may be, if that thing is siad by Muhammad. This is the problem with Muslims. Heavens forbid if we act like that and accept or reject something on the basis of who says it. A rose is beautiful no matter where it grows.




The public life of Jiddu Krishnamurti (5/12/1895-2/17/1986), a thin Brahmin child with large eyes and a vacant expression, began when, spotted at a beach in India by Theosophists Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater, he was proclaimed the incarnated World Teacher, adopted, and groomed in England for his role as spiritual leader of the international Order of the Star (1911). An object of veneration, power, and money, he stunned friends and followers by suddenly disbanded the Order in 1929, returning all assets and trusts, and asking people not to follow him, declaring: "Truth is a pathless land and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path..."

Rejecting allegiance to any caste, nationality, or religion, he traveled the world, speaking, founding schools in Ojai and England, and occasionally keeping a journal. He taught that education was lifelong and that anyone could achieve insight and "freedom from sorrow" by going deeply into the workings of his own mind. His talks, many taped by the Krishnamurti Foundation organized to support him, convey a sincerity, comprehension, and closeness to experience ("Don't quote, Sir," he often said) probably unknown since the Buddha, to whom Aldous Huxley once compared him. But any questioner seeking a guru did not find one; confronted once by a man demanding proof of Krishnamurti's authority, the reply in part was: "There is no authority...Each must be a lamp unto himself, and we either meet in understanding or we don't."

I still remember the afternoon on which I learned that Krishnamurti had died in peace the day before. I knew his task was finished; but when I thought about the great light that had gone out of the world, I, just a year out of college, spent a day feeling very old indeed.

The following statements were written by Krishnamurti to describe the core of what he taught.

The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security - religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity. Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence.
http://www.tearsofllorona.com/krishna.html
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Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own.

[dago]

Dear Ali, I like your article. You see similar to immune system in our body God have given us the Spirit of love of his in human heart to excercise our action in this life.

If I may so bold these scriptures are appropriate:

the Bible said: "God is Love"
Two main Laws that Yesus teaches are Love God in fullness and love your neighbour as yourself.

" Do unto other as you like them do unto yourself"

Love (1 Corinthians 13)

1If I speak in the tongues[1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[2] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Ironically is that these words was expressed through Apostel Paul who the Muslims scholar hated and tell all kind of lies story about him.

It is obvious what or who is the spirit behind Quran dan these so call scholars.
It is also so obvious that Quran teaching is the opposite of Jesus Christ teaching in all account.

Just look sheck Yassin hamas SPIRITUAL Leader who encourage terrorisme instead of being spiritual humble and good.
Islam teaching bring a new meaning of spiritual ( of hate)

[ksolotis]

That word has confused me for while. Could you please, Ali Sina, explain to me your definition of love...

Ksolotis :P

[momtaz]

Ali, please dont do this. You know deep down that no religion is true. And I can sense your desperation to get people to abandon Muhammad's moronic cult called Islam. Not everyoone is ready yet for the big leap. People may still want to cling on to some spiritual beliefs. But by 'offering' alternative religions you are infact confusing them more. To live with the concept of no-god, overnight can be painful indeed. There is going to be a sense of confusion and hopelessness- with that invisible but omnipotent and omnipresent 'being' that was with you all along, in times of joy and crisis suddenly taken out of your lives. I'm guessing that you are trying to help people overcome this initial frustration of empty feeling and hopelessness of anadoning faith and god by offering a loop hole in the unexplained concept of 'the existance of god'. But by doing so, you are decieving gullible folks by not offering them the truth. There can only be one truth. IF you have found it, show it to others. It may hurt them, but let them know it. They may hate you, but love them instead, and hope against odds tht they see reason and come to their senses. Ali, I know your intentions are good. You long for a peaceful and traquil world. But dont teach falsehood. Dont encourage it even if it brings the immediate results. Dont leave traces of 'god' here and there for it to snowball again into religions in the future. Let people go cold turkey. It will hurt but the pain will wear off and the sense of satisfation of finding the truth and living every moment knowing it will make it worthwhile. If you leave confused people with half-truths they will backslide. There will always be some evil person waiting for the right time and place to pounce on innocent gullible masses for personal gains. It happened 1400 yearsa go and we are still fighting the menace. Don;t leave people defenseless. Give them the courage and inner strength to nip the next Muhammad(pbuh) in the bud.
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"It is ISLAM, it is the BOOK, and it is the MUHAMMED"
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[armour_piercing_bullets]

word hindu,is given by arabs :

land between sindhu river-indus river and himalaya : hind=

all liver in hind r hindu.

aliji,what u said is 100% abt religion.

the only truth is nature.

no 1 path lead to it,all path r to nature.

everything is a maya-an illusion.

faith,non faith,etc...everything is an illusion.

existance itself is also an iollusion.

WHAT WE MAKE OF OUR LIFE AND OF OURSELF IS ALL THERE
IS,ALTHOUGH THAT TOO IS AN ILLUSION.

so,as i hv said mnay time,and it is also true : life has no specific meaning.

v r born and die,nature wants its pund of flesh so we re-produce
and die....

this is fact.

no need for relgiion non-existant god/allah etc...whatever.

i am very happy u hv read krishnamurthy.

u sound like adi shakara one of the greatest exponents of advaith-nondual,monoist belief :

v r all part of nature,nature is truth,everything is part of nature.

be good to all,do good,bcoz that is best humanity.

so,no need for any so called religion.

[TheCleanMan]

Dear Ali;

you need to have a big time focus on why you are happened to be the family of the creations of the Creator, and the immediate reason what you lie to yourself for. I advise you to go out and FIND IT,.....THROUGH OBSERVATIONS.

I read two of your articles. I guess you did a poor job, for your sugggestion to be a prophet of his own indicates that your world completly differnt than that of you are trying to teach or guide.

If islam was exactly the way you think, it could have not been servived for the last 1400 years. And it coldn't attract sounding brains around the world. I, my self, is recently a converted muslim.

The very reason that made me change my religion is that i got a perfect peace and truth. Now, Ali, I am out of confusion.... of any questions about the mystry of nature in general. Praise to Alllah.

Finally, no heart feelings. I am just doing a good job, in my religion a fraction of a good deed will bring to a man aboundent rewards from the creator of you and me, and anything ever exist. (Not few extera cash....may allah help you and your buddies.)
bye

[windfall]

To Mr. Ali Sina & Truthspeaker:

Dear Mr. Sina,

I have been really impressed with your last article on the website and your response to my last posting on the Forum. I want to thank you for this and particularly because I have seen a man of Faith in yourself. I’ve felt the light that comes from you, and your words about Love made me feel it.

I also received a few words from Truthspeaker but these were in his usual manner. Therefore I am not going to get into any discussion with him / her and the like.

Mr. Sina, believe me or not, I agree 100% with all you said concerning religion, God and Love. Right, there is not just one way but many ways to God. Also the sun is shining to everywhere and to everyone on the Earth. I also have clearly understood your idea about instituted religions of the past and today – this is Option # 1 in my posting, which, if in short, is: “All religions have some degree of violence, some more others less. The difference is in the adherents of those religions. So called Christians, for example, or Jews, have evolved throughout the history and today concentrated on Love side of it. Muslims, to the contrary, stayed at the same level as they were before many centuries ago.”

I stand 100% with the values you describe in your article, but

The problem is that you and your peers either do not know the history of our civilization or you wrong it knowingly (God help you to return to the right path).

Just to confirm what you agreed on the violent history of major so called religions (Christianity for example), and to show you how Islam was peaceful from the day one and through centuries the following brief historical information would be very useful:

To state briefly, the Islamic political doctrine is extremely peaceful and moderate. This fact is confirmed by many non-Muslim historians and theologians. One of these is the British historian, Karen Armstrong, a former nun and a renowned expert on Middle East history. In her book, Holy War, in which she examines the history of the three great divine religions, she comments:
... The word Islam comes from the same Arabic root as the word peace and the Koran condemns war as an abnormal state of affairs opposed to God's will: "When the enemies of the Muslims kindle a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it. They strive to create disorder in earth, and Allah loves not those who create disorder." (Koran 28:7. Islam does not justify a total aggressive war or extermination, as the Torah does in the first five books of the Bible. A more realistic religion than Christianity, Islam recognizes that war is inevitable and sometimes a positive duty in order to and oppressions and suffering. The Koran teaches that war must be limited and be conducted in as humane a way of possible. Mohammed had to fight not only the Meccans but also the Jewish tribes in the area and Christian tribes in Syria who planned on offensive against him in alliance with the Jews. Yet this did not make Mohammed denounce the People of the Book. His Muslims were forced to defend themselves but they were not fighting a holy war against the religion of their enemies. When Mohammed sent his freedman Zaid against the Christians at the head of a Muslim army, he told them to fight in the cause of God bravely but humanely. They must not molest priests, monks and nuns nor the weak and helpless people who were unable to fight. There must be no massacre of civilians nor should they cut down a single tree nor pull down any building. This was very different from the wars of Joshua. [1]
Following the death of Prophet Muhammad, Muslims continued to treat the members of other religions with tolerance and respect. Islamic states became the secure and free home of both Jews and Christians. After the conquest of Jerusalem, Caliph Omar calmed the Christians who were in fear of a massacre and explained to them that they were secure. Furthermore, he visited their churches and declared that they could continue to practise their worship freely.
In 1099, 4 centuries after the conquest of Jerusalem by Muslims, Crusaders invaded Jerusalem and put all Muslims inhabitants to the sword. Again, contrary to the fears of Christians, Saladin, the Muslim general who captured Jerusalem and saved the city from invasion in 1187, did not touch even a single civilian and did not allow a single soldier to plunder. Moreover, he allowed the invading Christians to take all their possessions and leave the city in security.
The periods of Seljuk Turks and the Ottoman Empire were also marked by the tolerance and justice of Islam. As is known, Jews who were expelled from Catholic Spain found the peace they sought on the lands of Ottoman Empire, where they took refuge in 1492. Sultan Mehmed, the conqueror of Istanbul, also allowed Jews and Christians religious freedom. Regarding the tolerant and just practises of Muslims, historian A. Miquel states the following:
The Christians were ruled by a very well administered state which was something that did not exist in the Byzantium or Latin sovereignty. They were never subjected to a systematized oppression. On the contrary, the Empire, and foremost Istanbul, became a refuge for the much tortured Spanish Jews. They were never forced to accept Islam.
John L. Esposito, a professor of Religion and International Politics at the Georgetown University, makes a similar comment:
For many non-Muslim populations in Byzantine and Persian territories already subjugated to foreign rulers, Islamic rule meant an exchange of rulers, the new ones often more flexible and tolerant, rather than a loss of independence. Many of these populations now enjoyed greater local autonomy and often paid lower taxes... Religiously, Islam proved a more tolerant religion, providing greater religious freedom for Jews and indigenous Christians. [2]
As is clarified in these words, history never witnessed Muslims as "makers of mischief". On the contrary, they brought security and peace to the people from all nations and beliefs inhabiting the large territory over which they reigned.
In brief, compassion, peace and tolerance constitute the very basis of the values of the Koran and Islam aims to wipe mischief out of the earth. The commands of the Koran and the ways Muslims practised them throughout history are so clear as to leave no room for dispute.

Concerning today – I am not going to talk on behalf of other people. I will tell you on behalf of myself. It is a great Haram to kill innocent people. This is the law of God. But we are not pretending like so called Christians saying that we love our enemies. We battle them – but we battle within certain LIMITS stipulated by God. So called Christians, throughout the history battled each others and others doing all kinds of cruelties and crimes and yet saying about Love. Shame! So any person committing such acts, does not matter in peace or in war, put himself aside his Creator and can not be referred to as a Muslim. All acts of September 11 in New York and any attacks on civilians are from Satan. It is very evident for us. Whoever are behind these crimes will answer either in this or another world.


Footnotes:


1- Karen Armstrong, Holy War, MacMillian London Limited, 1988, p. 25
2- John L. Esposito, The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality, Oxford University Press, New York, 1992, p. 39

[syamal]

[pilgrim]

[Mullah Mo]

[dago]

dear Mr mo

The Cleanman is a Muslim pretend to be a converted one.
If he is a newly converted to Islam, he would not be wasting time on internet. By this time he maybe in Iraq or afganistan or Pakistan or Chetnia. Busy planing or bombing here and there and shouted AllahU Akbar. Just like most converted Westernman/woman.

His comment is a typical munafikman.

[dago]