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Jamuka

Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 8:36 am Post subject:

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I DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM AND THE KILLING OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN, OR ANY TYPE OF HUMAN TORURE.

You may be against it but your religion isn't. Read the Quran and see for yourself.

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Are you telling me that amercan missiles have never killed innocent civilians and children? Are you telling me that isreali troops have never killed innocent civilians or children, we were shown the video of how a father was protecting his child in a corner of a street, and then an isreali soldier shot him straight dead (the child). It happens on both sides, and it will most likely continue to do so. I AM AGAISNT IT ON BOTH SIDES.

Boo hoo, and I'm supposed to feel sorry for you? No way! At least the Israelis have never tried forcing their religion down the throats of Non Jews unlike Muslims. At least Israel is a shining beacon (only one) of democracy in the Mid East. It's Muslims citizens are treated far better then their brethrens in Arab states. And how have they repaid the Israelis kindness? By mass protesting on Sheikh Yassins killing, a known terrorists and murderer. And please, don't even compare the Muslims to Americans. They are not even on the same scale. Do you see where I'm coming from?

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Jamuka what did you mean by the likes of me keeping it up? What i meant by that phrase was how they might see things from the

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opposite

point of view,

And I might add ONLY point of view. Why are there no Muslims supporting the US? Why do almost all Muslims on this planet have only ONE view? Why is it not the same for Americans and Europeans? Look at the furore the prison scandal has evoked in the states. Do you honestly think the same would have happened if it was the other way around? Where is the Muslim protest on Daniel Bergs excecution? Where is it? Why the silence?
Read the below news about your brethrens and see how they reacted to a human being who was PUBLICLY beheaded LIVE in front of a camera.

Arab Media React Cautiously to Beheading

Wednesday May 12, 2004 9:46 PM

AP Photo LON846

By MAGGIE MICHAEL

Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Arab news media reacted cautiously Wednesday to the videotaped beheading of an American in Iraq, with some newspapers conspicuously playing it down.

Some commentators condemned the slaying and lamented that it would draw attention away from U.S. soldiers' abuse of Iraqi prisoners. Others said their opinions of the U.S. government had fallen so low that they have difficulty speaking out against the beheading.

``In normal circumstances, I could condemn the slaughtering of the American, but we are living in abnormal circumstances. I cannot condemn it now,'' said Egyptian columnist Nour al-Huda Zaki.

``The country that advocates human rights principles is now violating them and taking us back to the dark ages.''

Zaki, a senior journalist for the Cairo newspaper Al-Arabi, said she expected few Arab newspapers to cover the beheading extensively because reporting on it could be read as condemning it.

Indeed, across the Arab world there were few banner headlines or televised reports about the killing of Nicholas Berg, the 26-year-old American shown beheaded in a videotape posted Tuesday on a militant Web site. The video claimed responsibility in the name of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

A notable exception was Kuwait's Al-Siyassah daily, which ran a photo of a masked militant holding up Berg's severed head. Five of Kuwait's seven dailies published front-page reports on the killing.

The biggest pan-Arab television stations - Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya - broadcast brief segments of the video Tuesday night and carried longer footage Wednesday. Neither station showed the beheading itself.

``The news story itself is strong enough,'' said Al-Jazeera spokesman Jihad Ballout. ``To show the actual beheading is out of the realm of decency.''

Arab television stations are less reluctant to show bloody images from wars than some stations in the West, but said they drew the line at showing a beheading.

The presenter on Lebanon's private Al Hayat-LBC station, which led its bulletins Wednesday with the video, said: ``We apologize to our viewers for not showing the entire tape because of the ugliness of the scene.''

Kuwait's state television broadcast news of the execution but not the video. In Jordan, state television aired its report along with a still photo from the video.

The beheading got little attention in Wednesday's newspapers in most Arab countries.

Egypt's leading daily, Al-Ahram, ignored the beheading. Two other major pro-government newspapers, Al-Akhbar and Al-Gomhuria, ran news agency reports on inside pages without photographs.

An Al-Ahram editor, Ahmed Reda, said the news came too late for the newspaper to confirm the video's authenticity with the U.S. government. Thursday's edition of the newspaper carried a story on page four but no photograph.

Newspapers in Syria, where the government tightly controls the press, did not report the beheading. Nor did any newspapers in Iraq, although that may have been because the news broke late.

Jordan's mass circulation Al Rai published a report on the execution Wednesday on an inside page without a photograph.

The two English-language newspapers in the United Arab Emirates ran news agency reports without photographs, one on the front page and the other on page 14. Two Arabic-language newspapers in the UAE carried brief items inside without photographs, and a third didn't mention it.

Most Lebanese newspapers reported on the killing and ran a photograph of Berg sitting in front of the militants.

The video was released too late Tuesday evening for Middle East newspaper columnists. But many Arabs said Wednesday the beheading drew attention from the U.S. military's abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison.

``We were winning international sympathy because of what happened at Abu Ghraib, but they come and waste it all,'' Abdullah Sahar, a Kuwait University political scientist, said of the militants who killed Berg.

In the video, the masked militants said they were taking revenge on Berg, of West Chester, Pa., because of the abuses at the Baghdad prison.

Mustafa Bakri, editor of Al-Osboa weekly newspaper in Egypt, said Berg's execution will only harm efforts to expose American offenses against Iraqis.

``Such revenge is rejected,'' Bakri said of the beheading. ``The American administration will make use of such crimes just to cover their real crimes against Iraqis.''

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YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT READ MY PREVIOUS ARTICLE PROPERLY, I clearly stated that I am agaisnt all of that, not just because of my desire to do so but because my religion (islam) tells me not to.

Yes and you exhibit the same bias as your Muslim brethrens around the globe. This is what that is causing intensifying the hatred toward your people.

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You dont understand islam at all, you read this site and everything in the media and think that is Islam.......broaden your mind and ask people who know about islam, or attempt to study it for yourself. ISLAM DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE KILLINGS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

You are truly a joker. Hello!! I LIVE in a Muslim country!!! I know you better then you know yourself!!!! Go use this line with an ignorant liberal, it might work.

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Ok i am sorry about the 9/11 reason, I heard and watched videos of bin ladin telling america to stop giving support to israel and pull out of muslim countries....as well as what you said.

You have yet to answer my question. Assuming you are correct, WHY IS A YEMENI GETTING INVOLVED IN THE PALESTINIAN/ISRAELI CONFLICT?? This is the second time I am asking you this question. Please at least have the guts to answer it before writing more crap or at least admit that you are a hypocrite.

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The whole crisis in the middle east is about religion lets face it, OPEN YOU EYES and look carefully, its between jews and mulsims, and alot of it is personal revenge on both sides of israel and palistine. At the end of the day, each religion believes that it is the right one and that the other is wrong...

You are partially right, it IS about religion and it is Islam plain and simple. Open up YOUR eyes fool!!! The Jews are not bombing churches in Indonesia, the Jews are not killing innocent civilians in Southern Thailand, the Jews are not creating trouble in Chechnya (Russia), Sinjiang (China),Sudan, the Phillipines (MILF) and now America by causing deaths to innocent civilians!!! The Jews never flew an airplane into a building killing innocent civilians!! The Jews have no ambitions of dominating the world!! Open up YOUR eyes fool!!!

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Over-emotionally speaking, it appears as though you never read much of it correctly at all, or perhaps you may have read too much in between the lines. I think we can all agree to disagree without acting like goofs, when a person is being honest and not acting stupid, like a PuNk^BoY.

Really? Can you please point out the stupidity in my post? I'd rather be over emotional then to be an ignorant who make baseless statements.
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boombastictiger

Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 28

Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject:

Hi thanks for your post.

No where in the quran does it say that i have to kill women and children, or kill anyone for no reason. Show me where it says this please.

The people in extremist countries have taken Islam into their own way. It is normal of man to do this. It has been done in every other religion. Bin Ladin has money, and he says he will give money to those who kill americans........This is not Islamic. Bin Ladin says he will give money to suciide bombers familys if there child blows themself up in the name of god! This was in the news not long ago. Do the suicide bombers truely believe they are killing themselvs for Islam, or for money? Thats something only they and god will know, and something we can give opinions to. They interpret the quran and make it so that it suits them best. This is even recognised in the quran, god says people will do this:

Surah 3:7

He (god) it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

[allegorical (adjective) = a story, play, poem, picture or other work in which the characters and events represent particular qualities or ideas, related to morality, religion or politics:]

The extremists are taking things into thier own hands. Islam is more for peace but even more so for personal worship and repentence to god.

Islam is about true intentions, what people actually have in thier heart.

Surah 3:29
Say: Whether you hide what is in your hearts or manifest it, Allah knows it, and He knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, and Allah has power over all things.

Here again god tells us how we should treat people.

Surah 4:36
Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-

Surah 4:86
Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-

Also check surah 4:148

Surah 3:17
Those who show patience, Firmness and self-control; who are true (in word and deed); who worship devoutly; who spend (in the way of God); and who pray for forgiveness in the early hours of the morning.

Do Terrorists have self control and patience?

Surah 3

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It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (Not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive!

Bin Ladin and co try to lead people astray and make them think that killing innocent people is the correct way of doing things.

I can bring more verses telling muslims not to start war, not to aggress, to be peaceful, to control ones self etc.

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I dont want you to feel sorry for me, it was not my child that was killed. I am not saying that because that child was killed it is ok for palistinians to kill isreali children. I am saying that NONE OF IT IS ALLOWED IN ISLAM. Yet so many fail to realize this. These people are fighting on personal revenge as well as claiming to fight for religion (even though they may not be at heart). I am not here to argue which country is better, because it has absolutly nothing to do with religion. The argument in Israel and Palistine will go on forever. I show sensitivity on both sides. I feel pain for isrealis who are killed and palistinians. I wish it would all stop, but both sides are to blame.

How can I compare muslims to amercans if there are hundreds of thousands of american muslims? I could turn around and say how can you compare jews to americans, but that would be stupid and ignorant and only cause argument and disagreement, because it is not even a question.

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And I might add ONLY point of view. Why are there no Muslims supporting the US? Why do almost all Muslims on this planet have only ONE view?

I am sure there are. I am against a country invading another and indirectly spreading and forcing its way of life and thinking into it. America is doing just this, with the excuse of "liberating Iraq" when really they have caused more bloodshed and problems. As soon as the coalition leaves I am sure that there will be a huge civil war. Did america feel it was neccessary to sacrifice so many US troops lives and iraqi troops and civilians? Iraq is a Muslim country, and has just been invaded and heavily bombed by America, maby that is why not many support them. If america was bombing isreal do you many jews would support them?

There are many Muslim views.
Bin Ladin and his people has one which is to kill everyone in site or anyone who does agaisnt his order (including killing muslims which he has done)
Saddam and his people had one which was to Kill his own muslim people.
I have one, which is to try and solve the whole situation by peacful means.
The majority of Muslims in england wish to solve the problem in peaceful means.
Allot of muslims in america wish for a peaceful solution.
Muslims all round the world would like a peaceful solution.

Did america try its utmost to communicate with saddam hussains regime and sort the situation out by a peaceful means?, after all it was them who supported him in the 1980's and supplied him with many weapons. But the main thing has to be that America said that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They said they had proof and that they guranteed there were in iraq. Where are they? If america had satillite pictures of WOD there would be no way that they would let them get out of thier reach. They were about to send in a whole army, if there was a chance that the WOD's would be used agaisnt them they would not let them get out of sight. Saddam being the barbaric man that he was, would have used them on America if he had them. Especially when he realised his regime was ending. But there have been none found,, not even evidence of him destroying them so why did america really go in? Was it because of oil? If so i dont think many muslims and none muslims would appreciate being lied to in order to go to war. REMBEMBER not all the european counties agreed with america. Most of them followed along because they did not want to get in americas bad books. France for example. Spain for example. These are big countries.

Yes if iraqis were torturing americans it would be all over tv, and there would be angry protests. Many chinese prisoners were captured, and then realised without harm.. THe chinese said they sympathised with the iraqi army. Im not saying I do, but others from other countries did.

Well Focusing on Nick Bergs death, ill let the internet speak for itself, There is so much controvery surrounding the authenticiy of his death.

Read below:
http://www.kuro5hin.org (first hit in google under nick berg)

Nick Berg's Killing: 50 Fishy Circumstances, Contradictory Claims, and Videotape Anomalies (Politics)

By decon recon
Sun May 16th, 2004 at 05:36:52 PM EST

The video tape and circumstances of the killing of Nick Berg seem fishier and fishier.

This article summarizes and lists 50 anomalies around Berg and his death.

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Summary
A large number of anomalies surround the life and death of Nicholas Berg. A Jewish man, 26 years of age and a U.S. Citizen, he traveled alone in Iraq. Family and friends described Berg as an adventurer, high spirited and intelligent. A Washington Post report notes, "Berg was a weight lifting enthusiast and amateur comedian who had traveled abroad to help people improve their lives. Among his trips was a visit to the West African country of Ghana, where he taught villagers to make bricks and returned emaciated because he gave away most of his food."

Berg visited Iraq from December, 2003, to January, 2004, and then again starting March 14, 2004. Berg was purportedly looking for electrical contracting work building radio towers. He could not find work, though there was reportedly plenty.

On March 24, Iraqi officials arrested Berg at a checkpoint in Mosul and jailed him, because of his Jewish last name and the Israeli stamp in his passport. (See Washington Post report - reg req'd - or CSM Terrorism & Security update for May 13, which excerpts stories about Berg from various media.) Berg told friends in Baghdad that the Israelis thought he might be a spy. (See Telegraph article, "Beheaded American was arrested as a spy because of his Jewish name.") On April 05, 2004, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq. The next day, April 6, Nick Berg was released. On Saturday, May 8, Berg's body was found outside of Baghdad on a highway overpass. On May 11, 2004, a video of Nick Berg's execution, seemingly by beheading, was posted on the Muntada al-Ansar website, which is now offline.

There are conflicting reports about Berg's whereabouts in Iraq. According to an email to the Berg family from Beth A. Payne, a U.S. consular officer in Iraq, the U.S. military were holding Berg. This was apparently for 13 days. Iraqi police denied holding Berg. In contrast, the Telegraph article above notes, "Dan Senor, spokesman for the US-led coalition in Iraq, insisted Mr. Berg was arrested and held by Iraqi police." The timeline of Berg's captivity and the timing of the release of the video are suspicious. If Payne was correct, why did the U.S. military hold Nick Berg for two weeks? Why did the U.S. military deny this?

The video of the killing has many flaws including problems with time skips, audio dubbing, and the characteristics, appearance and speech of Berg and the killers. People from Middle Eastern cultures believe that Middle Eastern people were not involved in this video, based on the mannerisms, accents, behavior and appearance of the killers. A close inspection of the video suggests that Westerners may have been involved.

For a number of reasons, it does not appear that the Jordanian terrorist Abu Masab Al-Zaraqawi, who was voice identified by the CIA (and whose name was on the tape), was involved. He has a poorly functioning prosthetic leg and a hand tattoo, which should have been observed. Neither were. The accent of the speaker in the video was not Jordanian. Why has the CIA seemingly lied about the analysis of Al-Zarqawi's voice and his role in the killing?

Considering the many discrepancies and contradictions noted below, it seems possible that the Berg killing is a poorly crafted psy-ops exercise. This video was possibly constructed by U.S. operatives to impact the extremely volatile political developments in the U.S. and the international condemnation around the Abu Ghraib torture photos. The torture photos are mentioned in the speech in the video, though Berg may have been killed before the photos were circulated.

The majority of the points below are summarized and excerpted from eight summary articles that culled points from news articles and blog posts. (See links at end.) I compared, combined and edited the various points. Further, I added more points based on my viewing of the video (see Wizbang! Blog: Berg video site list) and by reviewing various news articles. I also added a few points based on comments at kuro5hin.org.

Some of the points below are compelling. Some are weak or may turn out to be insignificant or coincidental. This is a work in progress, an early overview of discrepancies. There are too many discrepancies and contradictions to dismiss doubts about the video and the official U.S. stories about Berg. Additional inquiry and fact checking are needed as the Berg story unfolds or, rather, unravels.

Points are included on these topics: Suspicious Circumstances and Timeline; Timing of Killing and Videotape Release; Videotape of Berg, His Decapitation, and Location; More Videotape Anomalies; Identity of Killers of Berg and Their Possessions; and, Berg's Previous Activities and Return of the Body

Suspicious Circumstances and Timeline

1) A Jewish man and U.S. citizen traveling alone in Iraq?
Why did a private Jewish American citizen choose to wander around Iraq by himself? He also had a passport stamp from Israel - very unsafe to travel with.

2) Berg wanted to return home
In his last email on April 6 to his family, Berg stated he wished to return home as soon as possible. The FBI claim he refused an offer of help to get home (perhaps because of danger to get to airport).

3) Three FBI visits
The FBI made three visits to the Berg while he was in custody in Iraq. This suggest U.S. authorities were concerned about more than Berg's well-being. They may have had their own suspicions about what the young American was doing in Iraq.

4) FreeRepublic website listed the Berg business as an "Enemy of the State".
Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg, signed an anti-war petition online and included the business name. (Note that Nick Berg himself was pro-Bush and pro-war.) This occurred a week before his son's second departure to Iraq. As a result of this statement the Berg business was put on a right wing enemies list. The FreeRepublic website listed the Berg business as an "Enemy of the State." This may have been linked to the thre visits by the FBI during Nick Berg's containment by the Iraqi Police and then presumably by (or under supervision) of the US Military.

5) Family sues in U.S. and Berg released next day in Iraq
On 5 April, Berg's family filed a suit in federal court in Philadelphia - contending that their son was being held illegally by the US military in Iraq. The next day he was released and left to get himself home.

6) U.S. custody
Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody. On April 1, Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, sent an e-mail to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. She wrote, "I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly." (See: The Unanswered Questions of Nick Berg's Murder at antiwar.com.) This is distinct from the next point...

7) Denial of custody
The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. (See again: The Unanswered Questions of Nick Berg's Murder.) If this is so, we have to conclude that either the email from Ms. Payne was incorrect or that the US military has been lying.

Apprehension of Berg
Berg was mysteriously captured while still wearing jumpsuit. Either he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and all -- to be immediately apprehended by "terrorists" (before he had a chance to change). Or, the captors somehow came across a U.S. military prison jumpsuit. (More on this is below.) This scenario contradicts the following:

9) Was Berg at hotel several days to April 10?
Staff at Al-Fanar Hotel in Baghdad apparently told The Associated Press that Berg stayed there for several days until April 10. A U.S. consul contract worker checked at the hotel on 4/14 and staff there did not remember Berg.

10) Family blames detainment by U.S. military for Berg's death
The last time the family heard from Nick Berg was on 9 April. He had planned to return home at the end of March. His headless body was found near Mosul on 8 May. "That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his due process or civil rights," Michael Berg said.

Timing of Killing and Videotape Release

11) Berg is killed before torture photos released but video tape refers to photos?
To quote "Fishy Circumstances and Flawed Timelines Surround American's Beheading)":
"me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that Nicholas Berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released?? maybe i am misinformed but thought id ask the question to someone who would look into it."

12) Text with video mentions "shameful pictures"
The text posted to the website along with the video the translation of the Arabic statement, cites "shameful pictures." Here is a translation of the Arabic statement (at the Northeast Intelligence Network) made with the video: "And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about the Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses prisons."

13) Wag the dog timing
There is extremely convenient 'wag the dog' timing at the height of furor regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis.

14) Torture photo timing
CNN poll question: 'Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?' Bush has been reported to be struggling with question of whether the Pentagon should release additional torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite 'national security' issues for withholding additional materials.

Videotape of Berg, His Decapitation, and Location

15) Orange jumpsuit
Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue. The orange jump suit "appears" to be identical to the jumpsuits used at Guantanamo. (Compare with pictures at Guantanamo.) The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would continue wearing a U.S. custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One wonders: Was there an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb?

16) No blood at decapitation
When Berg is decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the 'Arab' who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner.

17) Berg did not move
Berg seems limp just before the beheading. It is not clear if he was moving after the time skip in the tape. While on the ground, Berg's body didn't seem move except in response to the captors movements. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip and use of a knife. (That is unless he was long dead after the cut in the tape.) A surgeon would very likely testify that the beheading did not cause the death.

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Berg may have been dead just before beheading
The lack of spurting blood and lack of movement suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. During the beheading, Berg's eyes are not seen. Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were open or glassy. Berg very probably was killed before the staged beheading. Did the captors have no stomach for the beheading of a living person?

19) Straight cut on the neck
The cut on Berg's neck seems to be too straight to have been done crudely and with such speed by a man wielding a large knife. Anybody who has carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.

20) Is the person in the video Berg?
Some viewers believe the person in the video only vaguely resembles Berg. (Note: presumably the family can and will identify Berg's voice and appearance.)

21) Chair
The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. One blog mentioned this was "a standard issue military chair." However, these chairs might be abundant in Iraq. (See photo comparisons at link in next point.)

22) Walls and baseboard at the killing site same color as some in Abu Ghraid prison
However, many walls may be similar in Iraq. To quote Marc Perkel (It's The Same Chair!!!! OMFG!!):
"I have some more pics but the walls are the same yellow color and the baseboard is the same color as Abu Ghraib prison."

More Videotape Anomalies

23) The videotape was quite blurred.

24) A quickly disappearing video source?
A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video - at www.al-ansar.biz. Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking - and could find no such video footage. But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour.

25) Tape editing
The video tape is obviously spliced together and heavily edited: Going from a) Berg sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

26) Long time jump in datestamp
There is a significant time jump on tape from a datestamp in the tape of about 2:44:40 to about 13:45:47. There could have been two cameras recording this event. However, there were changes in dress after the fact that would lead to the idea of an elapsed time.

27) Scream dubbed in: Screaming starts while Berg is not moving and before he is touched
Whatever the mismatch in the speaker and video (next point), videotape cognoscenti have said the scream was amateurishly dubbed into the tape. The writer of this K5 article reviewed this issue closely: The screaming starts (at 4:31 - on the copy I viewed, not the time stamp) about 5 to 6 seconds before Berg is touched (at 4:36) and he is moved to his side. He is just sitting there like a lump. While the screaming commences for (1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 seconds), his head doesn't move and his mouth doesn't appear to move (though the tape is blurry), nor does he seem to be physically screaming at any time. Yet the audio plays a loud vigorous screaming. The exact same dubbed screaming continues after the long time jump and a bit of a time gap with silence and after some cutting on the head, during which Berg is not moving. This screaming seems clearly dubbed and is highly incongruous with Berg's lack of activity.

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Handling of papers on video
"Terrorist" reader flips through pages of 'statement' at one point. He keeps ending up on the same page for awhile. As noted below, this would very likely produce a gap in speech, which is out of sync with the smooth timing of the spoken statement.

29) Audio is dubbed: Tape of speaker and video are out of sync
Audio experts note the tape is clearly dubbed. The speaker recording is different from executioner video recording, due to lag between audio and video.
From "In the Absence of Truth from the White House, Conspiracy Theories Emerge About the Nick Berg Murder" at buzzflash.com:
"Analysis of Execution video -- I propose that the executioner's voice (according to my analysis of listening closely to the audio feed) is not that of the killer's. When listening to the executioner's voice on the tape one first notes that there is a 2-3 second lag in the "time" between audio and video, audio leading. This is consistent with the argument that the video camera and tape recorder are actually two different recording devices. What convinced me that the executioner could not be the "voice" behind the document, read prior to Nick Berg's execution, is the lack of consistency seen between the video and audio recordings, even if the 2-3 second delay is considered. A careful viewing of the video shows the executioner on "several occasions" fumbling with the 2 pages that he held, and at times reading the same page over again -- or so it appears. At least 4 times during the video the executioner is "turning over" pages, holding the pages "apart" as if confused, and all of this adds up to one conclusion. There should have been a "pause" or "2-3 second delay" in the reading of the documents during the physical handling of the documents -- but none is found that is long enough to account for it. Conclusion: The executioner is not "reading" the document. Someone else is. The executioner is trying his best to "lip sinc" the reading, but fails miserably on close inspection. The "smooth" reading of the document is entirely inconsistent (according my analysis of the video) and therefore cannot be the same person that is recording into the audio device."

30) Berg identification - why?
Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to 'verify his identity'. The guy in video looks little like Berg photos provided by family.

31) Woman's scream, instead of Berg?
The alleged scream on heard on the tape has been interpreted as a woman's scream by viewers. (The scream did not seem to this K5 article's author necessarily to be in a woman's voice.)

32) Mistranslation of Al Qaeda connection
On the first day of Nick Berg's execution, it was reported on several major news networks that al Qaeda was connected to the killer's statement, which turned out to be false. The US Intelligence translation still retains this "reference" to al Qaeda, which does not exist. The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this may not be an innocent flub. Did the US government intentionally link an alleged al Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg? Note: the word on tape was al qaed, with quite a different meaning from al Qaeda.

Identity of Killers of Berg and Their Possessions

33) Western body posture and mannerisms of "terrorists"
The "terrorists" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms. They seem to be at parade rest at times.

34) "Terrorists" were fat
Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or Mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.

35) White hands of "terrorists"
Some of the "Arab terrorists" have pasty-white hands and (other exposed) skin. One would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands. (See: Nick Berg Conspiracy Theories Abound.)

36) Wrong accent
Al-Zarqawi is/was Jordinian. Arab linguists have said the man posing as Al-Zarqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.

37) Change in masks by beheader
To quote a K5 comment:
"The guy who holds up the head at the end has a white mask and no vest. The guy who pulls out the knife and starts cutting is in a black mask. The only guy with a white mask is wearing a green vest"

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Voice id
Al-Zarqawi's identification by the CIA was based on "probable" voice id of the videotape.

39) Al-Zarqawi's missing leg
Al-Zarqawi was missing one leg. Al-Zarqawi allegedly wears a prosthetic device, according to previous CIA reports. (See: IHT Protrait of Al-Zarqawi.) There is no evidence that the killer wore a prosthetic device. Further, Al-Zarqawi had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally. No man in the group showed evidence of such infirmity.

40) Missing tattoos?
Large green tattooed "dots" are known to be on the back of Abu Musab Zarqawi's left hand. These tattoos cannot be seen in the close up video of the execution, though the back of his hand is fairly visible. (See: IHT Protrait of Al-Zarqawi.)

41) Al-Zarqawi dead?
Numerous indigenous sources have said Al-Zarqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.

42) Gold ring on killer's hand
The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi seems to be wearing a gold ring. Note: This is a questionable point. To quote Healing Iraq (healingiraq.blogspot.com) as quoted at this angryfinger.org post (Nick Berg Conspiracy Theories Abound): "Islam does not specifically forbid that men wear gold, in fact the Quran and the Hadith have encouraged men to 'adorn' and 'embellish' themselves (dying hair, perfume, etc.) .... the practice of wearing gold ornaments is discouraged by Muslim clerics, "Gold is the ornament of women". Socially it is not acceptable in the Arab world for men to wear gold, although this has changed lately and many young men do (engagement and wedding rings are mostly gold)."

43) Why anonymous?
Al-Zarqawi's face is very well-known. If Al-Zarqawi was the perpetrator, why did he bother to cover it the whole time? If Al-Zarqawi is trying to build a resistance movement, why did he not uncover his face at some point? (If it was another terrorist impersonating Al-Zarqawi, why is the CIA identifying the voice as Al-Zarqawi's?)

44) Iraqi denial of "terrorists"
Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?

45) Firearms Israeli, not AK-47s
Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Galil." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents use AK-47s.

Berg's Activities and Return of the Body

46) Berg encountered Moussaoui, an al Qaeda operative, by chance in the U.S. in 1999
The FBI has reported (CNN, FOX) that Nick Berg's e-mail account was used by the "20th hijacker" of 9-11, Zacarious Moussaoui, whose computer held evidence of the 9-11 hijackers (and could not be searched by the FBI field office because of orders from Washington). The FBI interviewed Nick Berg about Moussaoui's use of his e-mail account to send "emails" but concluded that it was entirely "coincidental." Berg had apparently given the password to his e-mail account to an acquaintance of Moussaoui who he met on a bus in 1999 in Oklahoma. (See: Berg's encounter with 'terrorist' revealed.)

47) Berg's first visit to Iraq
Source: In the Absence of Truth from the White House, Conspiracy Theories Emerge About the Nick Berg Murder in http://www.buzzflash.com letters:
"In the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (Seattle P-I), May 13, 2004, A4, appeared an AP article by Robert H. Reid entitled: "Questions over beheading victim's travel in Iraq." That article, which is not online, says: "Berg first worked in Iraq in December and January and returned in March. He was inspecting communications facilities, some of which were destroyed in the war or by looters. During his time in Iraq, he worked on a tower in Abu Ghraib, site of the prison where U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi inmates."
And from The Guardian [Questions Surround Slain American in Iraq] here is a similar reference:
Perhaps Nick saw too much when he was at the prison repairing the tower. And/or maybe that work required close collaboration with the military intelligence onsite so that he learned too much.
Also, today's NY Times article entitled: "General Took Guantanamo Rules To Iraq for Handling of Prisoners" by Tim Golden and Eric Schmitt says:
"When Major General Geoffrey D. Miller arrived in Iraq last August with a team of military police and intelligence specialists, the group was confronted by chaos."
"In one prison yard, a detainee was being held in a scorching hot shipping container as punishment, one member of the team recalled. An important communications antenna stood broken and unrepaired."

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Work vs. no work?
It has been reported all week in the media that Nick Berg was "looking for business" for his small telecommunications business. Some of his friends in Iraq who were interviewed reportedly said "business was booming." Yet others said Nick was leaving because he "couldn't find any work."

49) Berg traveled at night
It has been reported by people who knew Nick in Iraq (interviews, major networks) that strangely enough, Nick "traveled" at night. Indeed, when Nick was initially picked up by Iraqi Police (checkpoint) he was held because of "suspicious activity."

50) Berg's family was not allowed to view the body of Berg on its arrival to the U.S.

References

The Unanswered Questions of Nick Berg's Murder
by Anthony Gregory, antiwar.com, May 15, 2004

In the Absence of Truth from the White House, Conspiracy Theories Emerge About the Nick Berg Murder
buzzflash.com letters, May 14, 2004

Nick Berg's Iraq Timeline
at AngryFinger.org, May 13, 2004

Nick Berg Conspiracy Theories Abound
at AngryFinger.org, May 13, 2004

Fishy Circumstances and Flawed Timelines Surround American's Beheading
By Alex Jones, May 12, 2004

Fifteen Anomalies Surrounding Death of Nick Berg
from: What Really Happened.com Letters, May 14, 2004

It's The Same Chair!!!! OMFG!!
at Marc Perkel Rantz, May 13, 2004
(Note: The post by Perke has some good points but mixes in a number of clearly mistaken conclusions.)

Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
By Lawrence Smallman, May 13, 20

Go to google and type in Nick Berg and the all you will see countless sites with people saying it was fake, doctors and all. Most come from NON MUSLIMS. and when you think about it, his death came at a perfect time in order to cover up the prison crimes. But still, if he was killed there is nothing ISLAM promotes about it. These people who alledged killed him took matters into thier own hand and corrupted what Islam teaches.

In response to the news article you posted, the people giving their thoughts, are doing only that. and giving thier opinions. THere is no reference to Islam that can be backed. The german people gave thier opinion of hitler, doenst mean that it was to do with religion even though they may have claimed it to be.

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Yes and you exhibit the same bias as your Muslim brethrens around the globe. This is what that is causing intensifying the hatred toward your people.

Bias?, i cause hatred?....Ok, how many times do I have to tell you that the killing of innocent people in islam is not allowed, and i do not support it as a human.

Islam is not designed for killing innocent people, but ultimatly to worship god and be a good person.

Surah 2:177

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing.

surah 5:32
For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

Here the above Verses, we see that if you kill one innocent soul (whether it was a Muslim soul or not), then it is like committing a crime against all people. We also see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul as a "sacred" soul. Notice that Allah Almighty will double the punishment for those who commit murders against any innocent souls. I believe this because it says so in the quran.......^^

Despite all of this hostility between the Muslims and the Pagans and the Jews and Christians, Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran prohibited for the Muslims to violate anyone who wanted peace:

Surah 2:190

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors

Today, people are entirely divided into countries and nations. There isn't any land on earth that isn't under a government's rulership. All national citizens' lives in any nation are equal, except with those who oppose the dictators and end up getting killed by them. But the general equality between normal citizens exists today and had existed 1400 years ago when Noble Verse 49:13 was revealed:

surah 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

Read Surahs 5:27-32

Allah Almighty prohibits the killing of any innocent person. There are other Noble Verses where Allah Almighty commands the Muslims to honor any peace treaty they make with the enemy in the time of war and to never break it:

Surah 4:90
Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then God Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

Surah 9:7
How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

I am trying to help people realize that Islam is about peace and that war and killing is only meant in retalitaion and defencsive purposes.

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You are truly a joker. Hello!! I LIVE in a Muslim country!!! I know you better then you know yourself!!!! Go use this line with an ignorant liberal, it might work.

A big problem with muslims these days is that they are very arrogant. Because they know arabic and come from muslim countrys they think that they know better. They do not want to listen to others. And so people like Bin Ladin have spawned. I know you are not muslim, but how do you know me better that i do? I was born in england, raised up as a muslim in a christian environment, then went on to 2 muslim schools, followed by a british college and now university. My sister is married to a christian, and my parents were in the british royal airforce for 30 years.
I have good friends who are jews and christians and muslims and hindus.
Just because you come from a islamic state country it does not mean you know more of a religion. The tradition of your country has probably led you think that Islam is exactly like that. Many muslim countrys are corrupted. Such as afghanistan with the taliban regime, iraq with the saddam regime. Islam in those countries have been corrupted, but not for all.

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I am very sorry i forgot to reply to this, my deep apologies. Must be the bad weather!!

Ok if you want to know why Yemini is getting involved go and ask the Yemini governement. I hounestly dont know why. Maby they feel that islam is being oppressed in that region and that it is thier duty to help them. I dont know, im not making the decisions. All i know is that soon after 9/11 news reports were cirulating with videos blaming the isreal/palistine problems and american bullying for the attacks......

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Once again I cant explain the actions of people with extreme views..They use islam as an excuse to kill people, id like to know where they get thier quotes from, because there are none in the quran saying that you can kill innocent people.

Im not launching and attack on jews or christians....you are acting as isreal and america are angels...as if they have never killed innocent people. No one country is innocent and no one responisible. War is war, and these things happen in war on both sides. Its something people have to accept. America declared war on iraq, iraq accepted. The war has not been stopped. Expect brutal killings on both sides. Its happend before and will continue to happen on both sides. Its war. Missiles blow people into dust, and the dead cannot even be recognised. Planes blowing up inside buildings do the same thing. Sucide bombers do the same thing. Its all bad. and none allowed in islam or christianity. But as technology moves on so does the manor in killing. The west has advanced chemical weapons and nuclear weapons, and all types of missiles. The extreme people in muslim countries have equal things as well. What can you do, kill everyone?

I hope I have answered your questions. If I have not please once again throw em back at me in whatever fashion you feel. I wish you all the best, and look forward to hearing from you again soon.

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Iznogoodh

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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject:

boombastictiger wrote:

Christianity wants to take over the world with its belief as do all religions, its thier purpose.

No. Only Christianity and Islam have this kind of behaviour. Most other religions are tolerant and feel no need to conquer the world.

Iznogoodh

boombastictiger

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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject:

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No. Only Christianity and Islam have this kind of behaviour. Most other religions are tolerant and feel no need to conquer the world.

I dont know about christianity, but from an islamic point of view, it is approached as if you are being selfish if you do not tell others about it. But you only tell them 1 or twice, and then let them make up thier minds and leave them alone...Not threaten thier lives and that of thier family or to try and kill them.

Conquer the world only in faith. There will be no one leader. But that is what the people want, it says that this will not happen and that there will be more bad things to come than good. Islam is more of a religion to save oneself from the day of judgement.

Jamuka

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Posts: 683

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 9:43 am Post subject:

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No where in the quran does it say that i have to kill women and children, or kill anyone for no reason. Show me where it says this please.

Quran Surah 4: Women

74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

Here is a good start. Go through this link for more 'beautiful verses.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Quran.htm

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I can bring more verses telling muslims not to start war, not to aggress, to be peaceful, to control ones self etc.

Yeah whatever. Don't try sugar coating the Quran, it is vile and dispicable.

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You say this and yet in the next sentence you show your bias. Look at what you said.

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I wish it would all stop, but both sides are to blame.

May I ask WHY are both side to be blamed? The Israelis only constitute 11% of the entire Mid East and yet your people create so much trouble for them. Is this fair? Who does Israel belong to? The Israelis or Muslims? Who was there FIRST? Please brush up your history on Israel and read unbiased books preferably written by a western scholar. Check out this link and educate yourself. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq.php

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I am sure there are.

BS answer and again shows your bias. You prefer to believe in something you cannot prove despite it being glaringly obvious that a majority of Muslims around the globe (99%) have only ONE view.

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I am against a country invading another and indirectly spreading and forcing its way of life and thinking into it.

So you are against the ending of a cruel tyrant that killed millions of Muslims in Iraq? And what do you mean by 'forcing' it's way of life? Please enlighten us all.

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America is doing just this, with the excuse of "liberating Iraq" when really they have caused more bloodshed and problems.

Do you think the bloodshed caused by Saddam is even minutely comparable to the one caused by the US?

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As soon as the coalition leaves I am sure that there will be a huge civil war. Did america feel it was neccessary to sacrifice so many US troops lives and iraqi troops and civilians? Iraq is a Muslim country, and has just been invaded and heavily bombed by America, maby that is why not many support them. If america was bombing isreal do you many jews would support them?

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CASUALTY RATE IS? Why don't you give me some numbers. I'm curious how many millions died by America 'heavily' bombing Iraq. So you don't think it's a good endevour to rid Uraq of a cruel dictator that ruthlessly killed millions of Iraqi's?

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There are many Muslim views.

Wrong, there is only ONE Muslim view.

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The majority of Muslims in england wish to solve the problem in peaceful means.
Allot of muslims in america wish for a peaceful solution.
Muslims all round the world would like a peaceful solution.

This is a lie. ALL Muslims around the globe HATE America before and after Iraq and this is a fact. They hate America simply because America aids a tiny and struggling nation called Israel.

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Did america try its utmost to communicate with saddam hussains regime and sort the situation out by a peaceful means?, after all it was them who supported him in the 1980's and supplied him with many weapons. But the main thing has to be that America said that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Are you joking? Are you suffering from amnesia? Of course America tried communicating to Saddam! WMD or NOT why are ALL Muslims have only ONE view on the war? Why the bias and hypocrisy?

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REMBEMBER not all the european counties agreed with america. Most of them followed along because they did not want to get in americas bad books. France for example. Spain for example. These are big countries.

So what of it? Does not mean a few European countries who were against the war makes it wrong. Over 60 countries around the globe supported America. Did you know that?

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Well Focusing on Nick Bergs death, ill let the internet speak for itself, There is so much controvery surrounding the authenticiy of his death.

Is everything on the internet gospel truth? And yet you choose to believe something that is not proven. Don't you see how biased you are? It is this biased attitude of Muslims who would believe any cock and bull story about the Americans, Jews and yet when hard facts are presented to them they are quick to disbelieve it. Did you readily believe those fake prisoner scandal abuse pictures in the Daily Mirror? Do you know that Pierce Morgan chief editor of this newspaper has been sacked? If a leading media outlet like the Daily Mirror can print lies in their daily editions, how can you believe that cock and bull story that you pasted? Again, do you not see the bias in you?

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Go to google and type in Nick Berg and the all you will see countless sites with people saying it was fake, doctors and all. Most come from NON MUSLIMS. and when you think about it, his death came at a perfect time in order to cover up the prison crimes. But still, if he was killed there is nothing ISLAM promotes about it. These people who alledged killed him took matters into thier own hand and corrupted what Islam teaches.

This is a lie.Check out this story by a fellow Iraqi blogger my friend. Brace yourself.

I tried downloading the Nicholas Berg video, but it was too large for this unstable dial-up internet account. I guess part of me didn't want to watch it anyway. I remember a similar 500kB video that was sent to my email account about two years ago. I didn't know what it was, so I opened it and almost got sick to my stomach. The camera was focused on a man lying on the ground with a boot on his neck, his face down to the earth. Out of nowhere, a large knife is shown to the camera, then slowly it sinks into his neck just below the jaw line. The hand holding the knife moves it back and forth in a sawing motion while the victim screams in agony until his voice is reduced to a gurgle like sound. Eyes popping out and blood pouring from his neck. It was extremely graphic, although it was in black and white.

Strange coincidence that the Nick Berg video was released almost
simultaneously with the video of Palestinian 'freedom fighters'
displaying the severed head of an Israeli soldier on a table.
Al-Jazeera had the head blurred out, and the Nick Berg video was
casually mentioned near the end of their news bulletin, and that was
that. No extensive discussions with Arab 'intelligentsia' followed, no replaying of the video over and over again for days (as the Abu Ghraib images), no talk shows with enraged, fist shaking, name-calling Arab figures discussing the effect of these videos on the 'image' of the Islamic or Arab world. Just shame and guilty silence. Apparently, pictures of an American female soldier taunting a naked man with underwear on his head is much much more gruesome to Arabs. I guess not everyone is perfect.

So, to distance myself from the shameful hypocritical Arab and Muslim masses. I wish to denounce this barbaric act and the pathetic ideology that fueled it, to disown any person from my part of the world who would justify it, and to offer my sincere condolences and sympathy to the family and countrymen of Nicholas Berg.

And for Muslims, who are definitely going to say 'this isn't the real Islam':

"When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives." Surat Mohammed:4

Grow up, and leave the 7th century.

Update:
Some angry readers have interpreted the above last statement as an
attack against fellow Muslims. That was not what I had intended. I
usually do my best to avoid theological debates on Islam for safety
considerations but I'll indulge them just this once. My purpose was to point out that Islam indeed excuses such barbaric acts. This is not the same as saying that all Muslims believe in such acts or commit them, moderate Muslims exist, but Islam is not moderate. Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists have not deviated from Islam, in fact all their practices are derived from the Quran and Hadith.

So yes, Islam is the problem here. Poverty, economic conditions, abuse by so called colonialism, and political frustration are not. Similar conditions elsewhere in the world have not prompted non-Muslims to commit suicide bombings or fly planes into towers. Islam, along with favourable cultural, tribal, and social values existing in the Arab world has prompted that drive. Islam and the Quran alone are not the root cause.

The solution is not however to alienate all Muslims, or to expel them, or annihilate them. It is up to 'moderate' Muslims and their clerics to carefully examine their scriptures and to reform, the same way Jews and Christians did. The Quran is a book, and its tenets were appropriate for a certain era in history. Most of it does not apply today, so it is not 'untouchable'. You either believe in the whole book, together with its violent verses, or you should stop claiming to be a consistent believer. You cannot select verses which appeal to your argument and ignore the rest.

How would you explain these, for instance:

"The just retribution for those who fight Allah and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the hereafter." Surat Al-Ma'ida:33

"O believers, do not take Jews and Christians as allies, they are
allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them." Surat Al-Ma'ida:51

I can go on and on, but I would rather not. I have intensively examined the Quran and Sunna, and I might have a few things that would scare some pious believers. Maybe, some other time, when I'm in a safer environment, I would devote a website or a book to the subject.

I got this from an Iraqi weblog. http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2004_05_01_healingiraq_archive.html#108438915894443687

Zayed can be contacted at the above stated address.

I suspect you're quite young and naive. I don't you mean any harm to anybody, maybe you're an innocent bystander. Stick around, lern the REAL Islam not the sugar coated one that was presented to you. And when you have learnt enough, I urge you to leave your religion/cult.
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