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dj
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 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: Eden |
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Hi I read through the paper a little more. I do find it quite intruiging how there seems to be quite few match up that go all the way to the bible. Its seems quite interesting that you have virtualy the same description in these books and every description when combined seem to offer a complete picture of the location.
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lilith
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: frankincense and myrrh |
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Enoch Chapter 29
1 And thence I went to another place in the desert, (another description of Eden) and approached to the east of this mountain 2 range. And there I saw aromatic trees exhaling the fragrance of frankincense and myrrh, ( we know it didn't rain much in Eden could this been suitable for growing frankincense.) and the trees also were similar to the almond tree. (we know the Garden is full of a wide variety of botanic beauty.)
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You've missed the point as does the commentator that enoch is on a journey.
Right now we have him firmly placed in either africa or arabia.
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The most important ancient fragrances were frankincense and myrrh. The Arabs used the milky sap of the frankincense tree, and called it al lubán, from the word for milk. (The same word gave rise to the name of Lebanon, whose mountains were always capped by milky snow). “Al lubán” became anglicized to olibanum, which is another name for frankincense; the latter name refers to the pre-eminence of this resin, the true or frank incense. Myrrh is a resin that has a bitter taste; its name is derived from Hebrew murr or maror, meaning bitter. Frankincense came mainly from the Dhofari region of Oman, and the best of this fragrant oleoresin source still characterizes this remote region. Myrrh traditionally came from Punt; this area was probably in Somalia, Ethiopia or Eritrea, but it may have been in Yemen, Oman or Southern Arabia. The domestication of the camel around 1200 BC stimulated the growth of the incense trade with Eygpt and eventually with Greece and Rome.
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Oman it probably was.Further east we go.
http://unitproj.library.ucla.edu/biomed/spice/index.cfm?displayID=28
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| It is probable that Egyptian cinnamon in Pharaonic times was mainly cassia, much of which came from China where large groves of trees grew around the city of Kweilin (now called Guilin): “kwei” means cinnamon, and “lin” means forest |
The man is shown the earth. In a plane.That could be the science fiction part but foremost a man that shows the world in pretty pictures and smells as he experienced while travelling.
But when was this text written?
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/myrrh.htm
Herodotus mentions cinnemon in the fifth century in arabia, and places also the cassia in those regions together with the others.
"Arabia is the only country which produces frankincense, myrrh, cassia and cinnamon...the trees bearing the frankincense are guarded by winged serpents of small size and various colors."
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| Diodorus Siculus writes, in the second half of the first century BC, that "all of Arabia exudes a most delicate fragrance; even the seamen passing by Arabia can smell the strong fragrance that gives health and vigor." |
http://sambali.blogspot.com/2004_12_15_sambali_archive.html
more about the ubaid and a similar culture in china.
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Oppenheimer mentions the sages from the East that come swimming across the Erythraen Sea (Indian Ocean) in Sumerian literature. In Hebrew, the word for "angel" means also "messenger."
The Sumerian sages from the East come from Dilmun, the land scholars often equate with Bibilical Eden. Dilmun has been variously located in Bahrain, Iran and with the Harappan civilization of India. There are however some indications that the Hebrews thought the land was very far to the East in tropical Asia.
In the Book of Enoch, an apocryphal work dating from around the 2nd century BC to the 1st century AD, there is mention of a region far beyond the Indian Ocean (Erythraen Sea) and the lands of cinnamon and aloeswood.
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| In the Bible also, we have some clues leading to a tropical Asian location from the mention of aloeswood or "lign-aloes" the Hebrew 'ahalim. Aloeswood occurs in tropical eastern India but is mostly associated in ancient and medieval times with Southeast Asia |
sri lanka?
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| The tree of knowledge mentioned in Enoch was thought of as the banana tree in Muslim literature. It indeed has the height of a fir, leaves like a carob and vine-like clusters of fruit. The banana may also be the "golden apples" found in ancient European lore |
http://sambali.blogspot.com/2004_12_15_sambali_archive.html
http://www.hagiographa.com/pseudepigrapha/1enoch_all.html#CH32
Galbanum, comes from the mesopotamian Empireh. From there it went to India, China, Israel and Egypt. Nowadays only to be found in Iran, Libanon and Afghanistan, where it is growing in the wild.
Green and sharp from the first and from afghanistan the milder yellow olive brown grassy smelling variety.
http://www.botany.com/styrax.html
He did not pass in early summer but later in the season when the fruit was ripe.
Also ambertree that grows in Syria and southern little Asia.But also a variety is known on java. Benzoin, styrax and amber...big confusion.
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| Probably nowhere can the actual historical progress from the'primitive use of animal sacrifices to the later refinement of burning incense be more clearly traced than in the pages of the Old Testament, where no mention of the latter rite occurs before the period of the Mosaic legislation |
Were people became!
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| It is not probable that the sweet-smelling gums and resins of the countries of the Indian Ocean began to be introduced into Greece before the 8th or 7th century s.e., and doubtless X0 alias or Xi,8avar6s first became an article of extensive commerce only after the Mediterranean trade with the East had been opened up by the Egyptian king Psammetichus (c. 664-610 B.C.). |
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| No perfectly satisfactory traces can be found of the use of incense in the ritual of the Christian Church during the first four centuries. |
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That in this portion of their ritual, however, the Christians of that period were not universally conscious of its direct descent from Mosaic institutions may be inferred perhaps from the " benediction of the incense " used in the days of Charlemagne, which runs as follows: " May the Lord bless this incense to the extinction of every noxious smell, and kindle it to the odour of its sweetness." Even Thomas Aquinas (p. iii. qu. 83, art. 5) gives prominence to this idea.
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http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/I27_INV/INCENSE.html
So does enoch have anything to do with jezus..i do not think so.
But Ur is no longer standing firm as Eden. That was probably the second hangout where the fallen angels moved to. From eden to adam.
But to describe an elongated fruit as an apple is a bit strange. Snakes in bananatrees not so.But how could the man have missed india?
Budhism was also well on it's way over the planet.With it's tradition of burning incense.
Enoch get's his first introduction to windows and later on a telescope(a thing that catches a star.) And enoch stays firmly in the tradition of the righteous. One of his generation to whom befall all that each other one could befall. Seems to me more a wordly story disquised as religion.
The captain/God as a zeus seated on a big chair, it reminds one of in this case a heavenly ship and that gives rise to the thought of heavenly barges as were used by Egyptians or maybe even the chinese.
The latter concluded allready in the second century, after a journey that spanned the world, that those others had nothing to offer in the matter of knowledge to the chinese empire. But barbarian nonsens. So around 200 AD a lot of silly books were burned. Only the ones containing sciences should be spared.
The simplest way to approach it, is introducing all sorts of jezus references and that alas is that the main thing to be found on the web.
Comes with our distorted view of the middle east and asia minor as centers of civilisation which they are clearly not.
Linearity wasn't exactly a prerequisit in those days. And that makes enoch in itself an extraordinary book.
Well i am curious what others peoples thoughts are.
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lilith
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: Engedi even unto Eneglaim |
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Engedi even unto Eneglaim
http://www.marmsweb.com/bglosse3.html
Ezekiel 47:10 Seekers shall stand in positions of youthful persistence and similarly rise with twice the power of domestic tranquility
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Spring of the 2 calves, twice the power of domestic tranquility in youth |
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Place of the young goat/ youthful persistence |
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Definition: Bardo refers to a state after death in which an individual experiences various visions, some of them very frightening. How he or she reacts to these visions will determine the next rebirth. A description of this intermediate state is vividly recounted in the Bardo Thodol, The Tibetan Book of the Dead. |
makes for a totally different kind of reading of the bible.
Book of Enoch could also mean Book of dedication.
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I don't have time to participate in the forum too much lately as I am busy with two writing projects at once, but I'm interested in this subject and don't want to be left out of it, particularly since I have read a great deal on it just recently. Also short on time, I haven't read all the comments posted; only the first, so please forgive me if I'm just rehashing something already brought up. I'll come back and read the rest when I have more time.
Quote from Alien Impact by Michael Craft:
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The first catastrophe rose from the situation referred to in the biblical quotation about the Nefilim mating with the “Daughters of Man.” Human women (an men, probably) attracted some of the younger gods, and children from such unions began to appear. The chief of the gods, Enlil, decided that this was an unhealthy situation and cast about for a way to destroy the experiment. He was relieced of this task when informed that the coming pass of the home plant, Nuburu, would cause tremendous gravitational stress on Earth.
The gods had discovered that the ice cape of antartica was dangerously unstable, with large section of ice slowly moving over a layer of slush. Niburu’s coming gravitational pull would cause a huge portion of the icecap to slide into the sea. The crash of millions of tons of ice into the ocean would not only create vast tidal waves, it would permanently raise the planetary sea level. Anyone on the surface would be drowned by the Deluge.
Forewarned by their science, the gods could depart Earth in their flying craft, but humanity would be overwhelmed. Enlil swore all the gods to silence on this issue, especially Enki, who favored his creations.
Enki swore the oath, but circumvented it by telling the secret to a wall, behind with was Utnapishtim (the biblical Noah). Speak rhetorically, Enki suggested that “If I were a human, I would build a great ark to survive the coming flood.” His monologue contained detailed measurements on the construction of this hypothetical ark. Utnpaishtim got the message and built the ark in time.
When the Deluge struck in 11,000 BC, the gods flew to their orbiting base to observe the destruction of all they had built. After the waters receded, the returned only to find Utnapishtim and others, with grain and animals, camped out on top of Mount Ararat. Enlil was enraged until it was pointed out that the humans would be needed to rebuild the gods’ lands. |
A FEW NOTES TO EXPLAIN:
The “God” of Genesis in the Bible is referred to or speaks in plural terms with only a few exceptions.
Akad was the pre-flood language referred to Summerian documents.
in Enlil is called “Yaweh/Jehova/YWH” in the Old Testament of the Bible. Enlil was apparently a proper name whereas YWH appears to have been a title. This is the god that swore Abraham to place no other god before him.
Enlil wanted the Adamu to be good slaves: dumb and obedient. Enki had a creator's pride and eventually wanted his creations to be intelligent and independent. It was a bone of contention between the two gods.
“Shem” is the Akad word for the flying craft used by the gods and forbidden to humans
“Nefiliam” is the Akad word for “those from Heaven to earth came” which could be interpreted as “gods” though there appears to have been nothing esoteric in the term.
“Adamu” is the word for a hybrid created with what was probably homo-errectus spliced with Nefiliam DNA.
“Niburu” was the rogue home-planet of the gods, sometimes refered to as “Marduk” or, by modern astronomers, as Planet X or Nemesis. It has a long orbit that takes it close to earth every 3,600 years. It had, at that time, a still-hot core and livable conditions, but the atmosphere was failing and could only be sustained through the suspension of gold particles somehow and it was in search of gold that the Nefelium came to earth and then later created the Adamu to mine it for them. Enki was the bio-engineer that did it and later grew very fond of his creation.
Ziusudra is another Summerian historical figure that lived thousands of years after Utnapishtim. When the Hebrews were held captive at Babylon, they would have heard both stories and probably combined them to make the Biblical story of Genesis. It is now known, after all, that Genesis was written during the Babylon captivity. The Babylonians were direct descendents of the Summerians, having the same stories and traditions.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: eden |
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Ok no worries I read through all the post , there is much to go through.
Looks interesting and instructive.
appreciate it.
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dj
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: eden |
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Enoch Chapter 29
1 And thence I went to another place in the desert, (another description of Eden) and approached to the east of this mountain 2 range. And there I saw aromatic trees exhaling the fragrance of frankincense and myrrh, (we know it didn't rain much in Eden could this been suitable for growing frankincense.) and the trees also were similar to the almond tree. (we know the Garden is full of a wide variety of botanic beauty.) |
I agree it could very well be in Arabia. I was thinking, just supposing that this another description of the proposed location of Eden???
I know through some of the links that I researched that while it rained much around the encircling mountains. It says that it didn’t rain much in Eden. I know that it was a botanical beauty where horticulture encompassing all species was the main job. Could it be that the conditions could of been right to grow these kind of trees at that time when the weather was suitable in that spot? It’s a little speculation here.
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Enoch Chapter 28
1 And thence I went towards the east, into the midst of the mountain range of the desert, and 2 I saw a wilderness and it was solitary, full of trees and plants. And water gushed forth from 3 above. Rushing like a copious watercourse [which flowed] towards the north-west it caused clouds and dew to ascend on every side. |
I suppose you could say much the same about the latter quote but then if you match the description, you basically get a description of the discovered garden site where springs are shown to emanate from the top (his top) and flowed down from the hill along purpose built canal ditches on top of these huge walls that are manmade. The water flowed down and because of the volume of water a mist would go up. This matches the Genesis description regarding the mist going up. I know through Plato there were a hot spring and a cold spring that flowed from the top of the Acropolis Hill. Warm water gushing out of ground would also create a mist.
I thought this was convincing, being hard evidence for the hypothesis.
Regardless of where it comes from and who wrote. All the information in essence contains all the same information about the same place. If there is planetary purpose for this discovery and it harmonizes with all outr scriptures then it’s the only place that counts no other place counts at this time.
Also note the point matches of Plato that I discovered on this site.
http://discoveryofatlantis.com/press_blueprint.htm
I’m still researching this entire array of information but when you combine all these clues and descriptions I feel you have the same place. Not to mention this source that also discovered here http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper73.html
I mean to say it all looking like a truth conjunction of some sort. Hard to disprove out of hand, even in light of differences.
In addition when you contemplate this without any bias and simply look at all the information and leads that point to this place, its very overwhelming. If feel this could be very challenging for all scholars.
Anyway I’m a bit busy to, III get back to all the other points later. But hey I’m happy to explore this lead only to see if there is any truth that can be savored by mankind.
The more I look at this the more I get inspired because it all seems to match in a real way that I have never seen before with ALL of our scriptures and other writings. I can see this as the mind of God revealing himself in the highest and the most revealing way. I’ve never seen this in bible college.
I just feel this is about to crack wide open that might even shake the foundations of all our spiritual knowledge. Is Gods way he might be telling us to research this further?
It’s funny and remarkable, in 1Enoch it talks about the sevenfold doctrine that will be given at the completion of the age.
Here some prophecy extracts from 1Enoch
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1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;
1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.
1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them. |
Is this the Sevenfold doctrine/instruction/information???
Here is a word search on Sevenfold in the Urantia Book. It unreveals much information.
http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=sevenfold&submit=Submit
http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html
All the best
dj
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Hi A., nice to have you along.
it's a very extended subject.
Quite frustrating too given the number of possibilities in language, translations a.s.o.
Mosje f.i. speaks in hebrew with the 'Eternal.'
And i've learned that yhwh represents four gods.
Furthermore that the tenakh points to constellations in the heavens.
I still need to find a good site on archeoastronomy.
I've found data on mayor events, floods etc.
In the last chapter of Enoch he talks about the eye in the middle of the milkeyway. Something is purported to happen in 2012.
In lot's of religions thst have astronomy in their background this same year is mentioned.
The isis myth in variations and orion is quite universal.
But we are on the quest for Eden and the main thing now is to find evidence for it's place in Asia. And were the urbaid lived as the place of the fallen angel on the fertile plain.Adam.
Sorry for being a stickler for now with the subject as introduced and the allready puzzling information so far.
We clearly also need some enlightenment on transliteration.
According to the latest evolutionairy evidence we had different kinds of people living at the same time, and that includes Neanderthals.
So one could have what we now call !xan who lived everywhere in Africa then undertaking a journey where he meets the huge people.
Though an arab interpretation for what we read as giants is ' people of slaves'.
The sumer kings indeed prided themselves on speeking and even writing the old languages.
I take it that that is just about the oldest myth.
And that story will also bring you in africa. Ochre was my starting point there. Which you will also find on old fertility statuetes as used in sumer. The worldtree and shamanic ideas the next. The !xan in south africa see in the southerncross the representation of a man with a tree. What was taken from Egypt when it should be left behind; a part of a tree.
Hi JD.,
Are you not interpreting from the modern view so as to shape a vision in the past? Could you provide a source for this vision of Eden.
I still have to read your whole post.
I took a peek in the last link, looks like the board of a multinational: should we warn them to divest from Sudan 
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Hi ,
thanks for the links.
A few comment: for this hypothesis to be true it is rquired to finf signs of habitation.
So far nothing of the kind has been found. Settlements near nowadays shore certainly but not furthe out.
The black sea is a different story. A much smaller innerlake before the breakthrough of what we now call the bosperus.
According to plant descriptions and their original locations Eden should be somewhere in Sri lanka or Java.
Adam might wel have been in nowadays Iraq.
Noah I would place as a dweller/dwelling of the black sea shore.
Though one of your links remarked on the funny break between the first three chapters of genesis and the lather.
might well be because it is written by three persons ; maybe stuck together wrong or indeed be a description of some mental states one should aspire too.
Though some parts of genesis are refreshingly down to earth. Tribal structure; spirit,blood and water (the trinity was later added to the bible and in john f.i. replaced this threesome. So probably Jezus is also an invention. threesome; church, god the son and father)
Noah again could have a connection with those round temples and the religion that was practised there.
To complicate things i like to throw in the celts that are rumoured to be connected to shamanic and to judaic practices and sea ferring people.
And that furthermore could be connected to little black people and that have in England a different view on christianity.
Christianity is a bit to weird for me, to put that in the equation. As if they tried to rewrite all of normal natural history.
The church indeed tried to mix all known elements, so as to be a religion that could cater to all. Islam as an offspring did the same for it's own area and borrowed a lot of elements from the byzantine court.
Both had a rough time to be accepted. Mostly 500 to-600 years.
Or even 2000 since this is the first time in history that we find people that have internalised it.
Heaven can alos mean priestly government.
Believe in one god was the issue in those days.
Probably removed from an ancient idea of god.
That basicly comes down to the qualities to judge the deeds of other.
A mere human would not be perceived as having enough authority.
In the following chapter of Enoch(see how the greek version changes the meaning)the amount of differing birds again points to Asia. Birds of paradise.
And he is probably talking about a dome as we know to study stars.
The eye of god is a certain part of the milky way
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Chapter 32, XXXI
1. And from thence I went to the ends of the earth
1. From there I went on towards the extremities of the earth;
and saw there great beasts, and each differed from the other; where I saw large beasts different from each other,
and (I saw) birds also differing in appearance and beauty and voice, the one differing from the other. and birds various in their countenances and forms, as well as with notes of different sounds.
2. And to the east of those beasts I saw the ends of the earth whereon the heaven rests, 2. To the east of these beasts I perceived the extremities of the earth, where heaven ceased.
and the portals of the heaven open. The gates of heaven stood open,
3.And I saw how the stars of heaven come forth, and I beheld the celestial stars come forth.
and I counted the portals out of which they proceed, I numbered them as they proceeded out of the gate,
and wrote down all their outlets, of each individual star by itself, according to their number and their names, and wrote them all down, as they came out one by one according to their number. I wrote down their names altogether,
their courses and their positions, and their times and their months, their times and their seasons, as the angel Uriel, who was with me, pointed them out to me.
as Uriel the holy angel who was with me showed me. as the angel Uriel, who was with me, pointed them out to me.
4. He showed all things to me and wrote them down for me: 3. He showed them all to me, and wrote down an account of them.
also their names he wrote for me, and their laws and their companies. 4. He also wrote down for me their names, their regulations, and their operations.
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I'll try and locate all of the relevant information ( that appears sensible)I've found on this subject.
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Genesis 14:7 People go to waters of understanding (social norms) which is consecrated and cause all troubled ones to give trust and do well in clairvoyance (seeing clearly). Enmishpat Spring of judgment
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Joshua 15:22 Lamentation, spirit of GOD and boundary (limitations or restrictions) Dimon / Dimonah Blood / spirit of GOD
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Genesis 36:32 Temperance comes from the hidden self and rules society, discovers fire (spirit) and establishes communion with liberal nobles (Soulful people). Dinhabah Liberal nobles
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Genesis 36:21 Plainsmen and heroes judge deep thoughts and bring forth inventions for mankind. Dishan / Dishon Bison, antelope (Plainsmen)
Genesis 10:4 Godly ideals of commonness or community living breeds GOD as Savior, refineries/metal working, ship building or transportation/mobility over water, and love. Dodae / Dodanim Favorite, beloved
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I Samuel 14:31 Remove learned behavior and replace it with light from the secret place, the inner mind, and have tranquility when rest is needed. (Matthew 26:41) Doe (tranquility) Hind, roe
New Living Bible - Proverbs 5:19 She is a loving doe, a graceful deer. Let her breasts satisfy you always. May you always be captivated by her love. Doe: Ayalah Female fallow deer
Not in King James Doe: Ya'aalah Female ibex
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It might well be that verses in genesis that can not be worked like that should be together.
trinity should read:spirit,blood and water.
The bible verse in john was changed.
http://www.marmsweb.com/genesisb.html
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:23 am Post subject: eden |
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Hey thanks for the reply I appreciate it. And I do agree with on you in many of your points in many ways. Its true that has to be evidence of habitation. Regarding the Cyprus location. There is signs of a manmade structures. There not natural. However in the upcoming expedition they will have the benefit of better equipment and hopefully they will be able to see what's there regarding habitation.
I'm expecting when they scan for hardened structures under the mud they will find evidence of city approximately 15,000 sq/ft and loads of roads and pathways that may still exist. It was in habited 4000 years before it went down. Should be some good evidence there.
I think they will find startling evidence they seem positive.
Also I liked your quote from Greek Enoch. I could see what you mean they do differ don't they. In my view I feel in light of there differences I still feel they point to same type thing, they all have the general theme apart from word differences that can alter the meaning. I still feel there is a general consistency and theme through them all. Generally they telling us the same thing. That how I suppose they were designed to piece together at the right time, pointing to a location. I suppose its important that humans who require hard evidence as a way of building faith in what lies behind this. People have to see for themselves. I feel that the purpose behind this.
I strong feel that these books are also inspired by individual religionists (there not fiction, there real) at the time through collaboration with faith and with the Melchezedek who has been behind the scenes the whole time, all the time. The Melchezedek have been for eons. The individuals who wrote these books I suppose its no different to you being inspired with a revelation that hits you when you research. I'm sure the Holy Spirit within you just leaps from within confirming your discovery in books of all kinds. I suppose the thrill to share these thoughts to see what others think is interesting in its self
Anyway I enjoyed your quote. Again there are differences in script. As I look at it. I feel the extremities of the earth can also mean space. The portals are like nodes that link energy lines of travel and communication between other planets and Artificial worlds ("abodes of the angels") that we cant see because we are flesh and blood. That revealment is reserved for the cross over and after repersonalisation in a new body of a different substance. Then way have to go through the healing process and familiarization with "Heaven" or the universe but in a different level of existence. The angelic world.
These nodes are mainly located in the North of the planet. When judgement day comes Billions of Seraphic angels and other very high personalities I reckon including Jesus, Adam and Eve all of them will arrive for the event. They will travel from all over the universe for the great revealment!!! This will also mean the inauguration of the restoration of things and also means that final judgement of Lucifer future as been handed down by the Ancient of Days thus ending the local universe rebellion officially. That means big news in all the seven super universes and every and communication lines will be cast on this tiny little planet in the outer sector of this galaxy. Regarding the nodes only seraphim's and other higher helpers can travel along these lines of energy. After crossover (death) we don't come back to this earth we move forward in the universe learning, discovering and evolving in personality perfection as an individual heading towards the central and grand universe towards paradise. Sounds right on to me I wouldn't want anything less. Worth heading for. I suppose the Egyptians were right after all. The four wings of an Angel that Ezekiel describes are energy bats that fold up when in transit. Looking like a long bulging spear with a flattened head. I don't know??? or a pipe, could explain UFO's I don't know. maybe?
Here is something I found about nodes from The Urantia Book and I also found additional information about the Sevenfold Doctrine the new revelation for next Epoch that came in early in preparation.
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4. Assistant Teachers. The assistant teachers are the helpers and associates of their fellow seraphim, the teaching counselors. They are also individually connected with the extensive educational enterprises of the local universe, especially with the sevenfold scheme of training operative on the mansion worlds of the local systems. A marvelous corps of this order of seraphim functions on Urantia for the purpose of fostering and furthering the cause of truth and righteousness.
5. The Transporters. All groups of ministering spirits have their transport corps, angelic orders dedicated to the ministry of transporting those personalities who are unable, of themselves, to journey from one sphere to another. The fifth group of the superior seraphim are headquartered on Salvington and serve as space traversers to and from the headquarters of the local universe. Like other subdivisions of the superior seraphim, some were created as such while others have risen from the lower or less endowed groups.
The "energy range" of seraphim is wholly adequate for local universe and even for superuniverse requirements, but they could never withstand the energy demands entailed by such a long journey as that from Uversa to Havona. Such an exhaustive journey requires the special powers of a primary seconaphim of transport endowments. Transporters take on energy for flight while in transit and recuperate personal power at the end of the journey.
Even on Salvington ascending mortals do not possess personal transit forms. Ascenders must depend upon seraphic transport in advancing from world to world until after the last rest of sleep on the inner circle of Havona and the eternal awakening on Paradise. Subsequently you will not be dependent on angels for transport from universe to universe.
The process of being enseraphimed is not unlike the experience of death or sleep except that there is an automatic time element in the transit slumber. You
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are consciously unconscious during seraphic rest. But the Thought Adjuster is wholly and fully conscious, in fact, exceptionally efficient since you are unable to oppose, resist, or otherwise hinder creative and transforming work.
http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper39.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper39.html&line=85#mfs |
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(I hope all dont mind I had to put this one in.)
Here is an interesting connection. Its like revelation on run.
Prophecy extracts from 1Enoch
1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given booksof joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;
1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.
1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them. |
Man do you see the connection here. What a big connection and introduction of the corps of assistant teachers that are personaly behind this revealment/revelation. I mean The Urantia Book and Enoch.
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The Urantia Book
especially with the sevenfold scheme of training operative on the mansion worlds of the local systems. A marvelous corps of this order of seraphim functions on Urantia for the purpose of fostering and furthering the cause of truth and righteousness.
Here is another UB excerpt
1. Supervising Assistants. The first order of the supervising seraphim are assigned to the collective work of the Constellation Fathers, and they are the ever-efficient helpers of the Most Highs. These seraphim are primarily concerned with the unification and stabilization of a whole constellation.
Here is another UB excerpt about the Most High on Urantia.
There is no end to the recital of the stirring events of these tragic days. But at last the final decision of the last personality was made, and then, but only then, did a Most High of Edentia arrive with the emergency Melchizedeks to seize authority on Urantia. The Caligastia panoramic reign-records on Jerusem were obliterated, and the probationary era of planetary rehabilitation was inaugurated.
Here is another UB excerpt about the Most High on Urantia.
The affairs of Urantia were for a long time administered by a council of planetary receivers, twelve Melchizedeks, confirmed by the mandate of the senior constellation ruler, the Most High Father of Norlatiadek. Associated with the Melchizedek receivers was an advisory council consisting of:
Here is another UB excerpt about the Most High on Urantia.
But Daniel fully understood these matters. He said, "The Most High rules in the kingdom of men and gives it to whomsoever he will."
The Constellation Fathers are little occupied with the individuals of an inhabited planet, but they are closely associated with those legislative and lawmaking functions of the constellations which so greatly concern every mortal race and national group of the inhabited worlds.
I like this one.
line 111: I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
Enoch extracts
During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation, |
Its got to be saying something here now. The sevenfold doctrine has to be The Urantia Book/Sevenfold doctrine. There is simply no other.
http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html
Here is a word search on Sevenfold in the Urantia Book. It unreveals much information.
http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=sevenfold&submit=Submit
But What is the Sevenfold Scheme??
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| Paper 15 line 28: Early in the materialization of the universal creation the sevenfold scheme of the superuniverse organization and government was formulated. The first post-Havona creation was divided into seven stupendous segments, and the headquarters worlds of these superuniverse governments were designed and constructed. The present scheme of administration has existed from near eternity, and the rulers of these seven superuniverses are rightly called Ancients of Days. |
While im on the subject of second coming here are links to what the UB says and an excerpt. Its very interesting.
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| In further answer to Peter's question, Jesus said: "Why do you still look for the Son of Man to sit upon the throne of David and expect that the material dreams of the Jews will be fulfilled? Have I not told you all these years that my kingdom is not of this world? The things which you now look down upon are coming to an end, but this will be a new beginning out of which the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and this salvation will spread to all peoples. And when the kingdom shall have come to its full fruition be assured that the Father in heaven will not fail to visit you with an enlarged revelation of truth and an enhanced demonstration of righteousness, even as he has already bestowed upon this world him who became the prince of darkness, and then Adam, who was followed by Melchizedek, and in these days, the Son of Man. And so will my Father continue to manifest his mercy and show forth his love, even to this dark and evil world. So also will I, after my Father has invested me with all power and authority, continue to follow your fortunes and to guide in the affairs of the kingdom by the presence of my spirit, who shall shortly be poured out upon all flesh. Even though I shall thus be present with you in spirit, I also promise that I will sometime return to this world, where I have lived this life in the flesh and achieved the experience of simultaneously revealing God to man and leading man to God. Very soon must I leave you and take up the work the Father has intrusted to my hands, but be of good courage, for I will sometime return. In the meantime, my Spirit of the Truth of a universe shall comfort and guide you. |
Says it all.
More links
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper176.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper176.html&line=48#mfs
interesting link
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper176.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper176.html&line=93#mfs
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper176.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper176.html&line=92#mfs
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper52.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper52.html&line=154#mfs
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper194.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper194.html&line=128#mfs
http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper170.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper170.html&line=154#mfs
All the best
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What i will do is simply put all the links here that i've used. (Or found in a short timespan because this topic is kind of a hobby and lot's of revisions when different perspectives pop up)
Giants>>people in footchaines (from arab)
From the latest back to enoch:
http://www.dossierx.nl/index2.php?option=content&task=view&id=303&pop=1&page=0
http://www.geocities.com/benjamin_sanguine/rev.html
http://members.lycos.nl/mystictrue/davidcooper.htm
http://home.hetnet.nl/~heraclitus/heraclitus_abraham.html
http://www.faq-online.nl/index.php?module=subjects&func=printpage&pageid=136&scope=all
http://www.xs4all.nl/~noes/bstudy/nederl/namen8.htm
-Als het verval te erg geworden is>>when believe/society transgresses>> (de bijbelboeken Ezra, Nehemia en
Daniël), then (dan noemt)calls God himselve (God Zich) no more 'Jahweh Zebaoth' but 'God
van de hemel'. )of the heaven'
http://www.xs4all.nl/~noes/bstudy/nederl/namen7.htm
koran >>quraan.
http://www.esotericarchives.com/gollancz/mafteahs.htm
And isaiah also gets discussed.
Called man of god. (1 Samuel Chapter 9 verse 6)
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/bible3_e.htm
To dismiss the law marcus quote en passant wrongly concerning David.
http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/torah/etrad.html
http://www.wordsight.org/btl/000_btl-fp.htm
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/4644
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/question.htm
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/church_history/michael_theschism.htm
http://www.catholicevangelism.org/
To be gread of jezus is being dead and spilling your blood.
http://www.eucharisticlife.com/ELimages/Timeline/200/Ignatius.html
http://tweevandaag.tros.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=171543#171543
abrahamic religions a link to be found their for an overview.
That god was evil is not a new thought
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/6.html
Ik vind nog steeds de suggestie van rahmat bijvoorbeeld dat reuzen gelezen dient te worden als slaven (arabisch: mensen in voetketenen) niet zo gek. Syrisch aramees, de oude taal van de mythe die nog niet zo oud is door het herschrijven, was hen immers vertrouwder dan een hebreews grieks latijns schrijver daarmee kon zijn.
short syrian aramaic is more valid for understanding the myth of the tenakh then greek
http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Ancient_religions/Europe/scandinavian_creation_myth.htm
http://www.easyfunschool.com/article2143.html
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The name "Middle-earth" is itself a very old, archaic name for the world of Men.
Think of tolkien, giants keep popping up everywhere, more then we can account for.
How old are humans?
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Hence, Tolkien rationalized that his fictional Middle-earth was the same as our world, bereft of those ancient, mystical places where magic dwelt and flourished, and where other creatures more powerful than men made their homes.
Philologically, the story of the sundering was far more than a mere convenience. It provided a layer of new meaning to the name. "Middle-earth" acquired a new history for itself, an imaginary history. In creating this new linguistic history, Tolkien divorced "Middle-earth" from the ancient "Middengeard/Midgaard". That is, Tolkien's "Middle-earth" is a new word because it reflects a world that is not a part of Germanic mythology.
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One example of Tolkien's reinvention is his use of the word "Ent". Originally an Old English word meaning "giant", Tolkien made it the name of a race of giant tree-men. Now, in Middle-earth, Ents are not simply giants. They are the Shepherds of the Trees, one of several races of Rational Incarnates -- beings who, having been given souls by God (Iluvatar), share in the world's dooms. .
http://www.sf-worlds.com/middle-earth/
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December 17, 2003 — Deftly carved figurines, including one that is half man, half lion, suggest that people living in what is now Germany were culturally modern 30,000 years ago. The newly discovered artifacts fuel the debate on when humans crossed the threshold into cultural modernity. GO>>
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February 5, 2003 — The fossil of a giant animal—much bigger than modern elephants—has been unearthed on the Greek island Crete. The extinct animal's extremely large nasal opening could have been the inspiration for Cyclops, a race of giants in Greek mythology with a single eye in the middle of the forehead. GO>>
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April 18, 2002 — Scientists have acquired new data supporting the idea that the last ancestor shared by all living primates walked with the dinosaurs more than 80 million years ago. The results came from a new technique used to reconstruct the course of animal evolution. GO>>
http://www.colossal-fossil-site.com/408-fossil-science-news.htm
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November 12, 2001 — What caused the extinction of many of North America's large mammals about 10,500 years ago? For years, human hunting has been the most widely accepted theory. Now, a scientist blames it on climate and habitat change. GO>>
1. The rian bowsnake is the oldes myth and it is everywhere that people have.
2. One of the strangest, and most powerful, of mythological phenomena has been the presence, in practically every culture known to man of a powerful being known as the Wild Man. The oldest recorded evidence we have for him comes from the caves of Dordogne in France, dated back to 12,000 B.C. and he is already full blown there, the Horned Magician, initiator and Lord of Animals as well as the Hunt. This worthy became known to Europe as the Green Man, and it is worth noting that ancient cultures did not think the earth, fertility and vegetation were exclusively female as is the trend today. They were both male and female and the Wild Man or Green Man was the lord of vegetation (and by that fact also the lord of rebirth as vegetation dies and is renewed seasonally] unlike the feminine Earth which endures forever. The Wild Man is also known as the lord of the animals and we see him again historically in 2500 B.C. on the Indus valley seals as Pashupatinath, which literally again means 'lord of the animals'. (Ook gilgamesh, de waterheerser)>
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What Gilgamesh was doing was jeopardizing the entire delicate balance of kingly power - he was running amuck enjoying the fruits of kingship with none of the responsibilities. In the Middle East that could only mean he was refusing to act as the Royal Priest, Intermediary between men and gods that preserved the structure of society and ensured rains. The priests realized that they could never have any control over the royal hellion, but there was a solution that might bring him back to his senses - Enkidu. This was a wild man who lived in the forests outside the city and the only person who was stronger than Gilgamesh. If Gilgamesh could somehow be brought into the stabilizing and healing energy field of Enkidu he could still be salvaged and reach his destined greatness. It is interesting to note that sophisticated urban wisdom has no answers for the perversities caused by the unnatural opportunities for vice and indulgence offered by the urban environment to the man who has no need for restraint in that context. The only solution is to literally get him back in touch with nature, represented here in archetypal fashion by Enkidu.
3. That worthy had withdrawn into the forest to practice his austerities and develop his learning but the envious gods had sent a beautiful Apsara to tempt him. He did not fall into the obvious seductive trap but the sight of the apsara, glimpsed while he was chest deep in water caused him to have an involuntary ejaculation. So potent is the seed of a sage it fertilized the womb of a hapless antelope who happened by chance to be drinking in the same river. Rishyashringa was born of this peculiar union and his father instantly recognized him as a spiritual giant.
4. When Vibhandaka went again to perform his rituals the girl emerged with the captivating proposal that Rishyashringa visit her hermitage now. She carried him away in a raft and then onto a boat and the text leaves us in little doubt that he learnt quite a lot, not only from her but also the other girls who had been brought along to ensure there were no gaps in his education. This is the seven nights of Enkidu and the purpose of keeping the Wild Man enmeshed in constant sex is to ensure he cannot go back into the forest. He develops a new habit, of desire instead of need, and that signifies the break with the animal consciousness.
http://www.stpetersnottingham.org/music/panisangelicus.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/1_5.html
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htm
http://www.ldolphin.org/ssong.shtml
http://www.nissaba.nl/godinnen/beschrap.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/websvwal/dismanibus
DE HEUSCH, L., Le sorcier, le père Tempels et les jumeaux mal venus, in La notion de personne en Afrique noire. Paris, CNRS, 1973, p.231-242. (Wright, 96).
kain en abel etc. but then african , no link available
http://www.aequatoria.be/tempels/BiblioSurTempelsEng.html
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~wies301/JNM5.html
Verb first languages: Celtic family, Hebrew, Arabic
Verb last languages: Basque, Hungarian, Turkish, Persian, all languages of India, Japanese, Korean
Verb in the middle: English, most European languages, Chinese, Bantu languages including Zulu and Swahili, almost all languages of Western Africa
721 BCE, many Israelites made their way across the silk route,
ending up in China. The Shinlung tribe, as they were also called
in China, eventually migrated to Burma and northeast India,
losing many of their Jewish customs along the way. Although
their "leather scrolls" were destroyed, the Bnei Menashe still
held on to their oral history and the poems describing their ancestors
crossing the Red Sea and being led by a pillar of fire
and a pillar of smoke. Since the areas are far off the beaten
track of most tourists visiting India, and Manipur restricts foreign
visitors, few Westerners have actually been able to visit
the Bnei Menashe or their 30 synagogues.
The descroption of God's etc. should according to me be seen as the formation of towns with astronomical data and a socio-economic order.
People knew lot's about astronomy and stroties about paradise, god's creation and adam and eve came to be because watching the heavens was blasfemy and any christian(islam too) would be wrong in doing that..
http://www.hrafnar.org/norse/worship.html
The usual form of prayers>
Hail (best-known name), (descriptive epithet),
Child of (parent), lover of (spouse)
You who dwell in (name of hall),
You who (summarize several relevant deeds)
With your (characteristic tool or weapon)
Come swiftly to aid me
As I (summarize problem being addressed)
http://www.mazzaroth.com/Reference.htm
Town, new ones were baptized with blood.
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Azazel is not the evil spirit on who the sins of Israel were laid upon. Azazel is the Archangel of Death - you know that Black Angel with the Scythe in his hands who comes to reap the Souls of earth and takes them into the Underworld with him? I have had some contacts with Supernatural beings from the spiritual realms, and I have seen Azazel - he is a very powerful Archangel in God's service.
God and that remark should be discarded
http://www.geocities.com/worldtree_2000/worldtreestory1.html
1602 chinese seachart
1500 bc numidians found their way to iberia. 700 bc contact between Cneze and /or with sumerians.
The axis time(800-200 bc)
When making/founding a new town people would bring a bloodoffering.
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(Since it was 'God's will' for women to suffer during childbirth, giving remedies that lessened labor pains was considered heretical and a crime punishable by death). Finally, by the end of the 19th century, midwives were outlawed altogether and their craft was taken over by male obstetricians. Only the emerging women's movement during the 60s has managed to reclaime midwifery as a woman's natural domain. http://www.sacredearth.com/Ezine/August2002/Aug2002.htm#pregnancy
God belongs to the realm of death as Azazel(see enoch) is death.
The mothergoddess realm was taken from het by the church.
The church eqautes itselve to the god of death.
Has nothing to do with Mozes G-d, El or hindu DAT.
Gllom and doom where jezus fits perfectly.
http://members.fortunecity.com/klassieketalen/Plato_Apologie.htm
http://thomasevangelie.fol.nl/
Bhudda
http://scholieren.samenvattingen.com/documenten/show/4438276/
http://www.aequatoria.be/tempels/BiblioSurTempelsEng.html
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~wies301/JNM5.html
dehors de tout port fluvial ou aérien.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/academic/A-C/biblst/DJACcurrres/Postmodern2/Selem.html
have to provide quote or you go silly looking for the proper connection:
oneworld
Geplaatst op: Za Mrt 19, 2005 5:58 pm
een typische oude afrikaanse stad:
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Parfois c’est toute une métaphysique qui s’exprime à
travers le plan de la ville. Déjà signalée pour l’habitat, cette
conception se retrouve pour l’urbanisme. A. Masson Des-
tourbet en donne un excellent exemple à propos des villes
Kotoko des bords du Logone : (( Le prince du Nord (Makari)
est descendant d’un héros conquérant qui fonde son pouvoir
sur le meurtre du serpent mythique auquel il se substitue. Le
sacrifice permet l’aménagement de l’espace urbain depuis un
centre. Le prince du Sud (Logone Birni) rattache sa généalo-
gie au sage qui, à l’origine des temps, éleva sa demeure sur
l’espace privilégié séparant les quartiers Nord et Sud et qui
obéissent au plan linéaire.
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Une description d’un village soninké montre bien le processus
de ce développement : (( La misidé (mosquée) est un point
URBANISME ET LANGAGE 105
central. C’est autour de cet emplacement choisi dès la créa-
tion du village que les habitants disposent leurs cases... La
lecture se fait comme suit : les fondateurs se trouvent à côté
d’une mosquée sur le commencement d’une ligne idéale qui
se déroule en spirale et dont le dernier tour englobe les étran-
gers établis à demeure, mais aussi les descendants d’esclaves
et de castes 12.
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Si la surface utilisée retient l’attention à propos de l’habitat,
la conception de l’espace, au sens le plus métaphysique des
mots, est particulièrement importante lorsqu’il s’agit d’urba-
nisme. Les peuples africains ont de l’espace (et du temps) les
notions que peuvent avoir tous les agriculteurs, les pasteurs,
les chasseurs. Les directions sont déterminées soit selon des
repères astronomiques, par référence au soleil levant ou
couchant, soit selon des repères géographiques, direction de
la mer, direction de la forêt, qui sont parfois précisés en
fonction des cours d’eau (aval ou amont). Chez les Fangs du
Gabon et du Sud Cameroun, l’orientation du temps et de
l’espace est rapportée au mouvement apparent du soleil. (( Le
temps et l’espace s’écoulent d’est en ouest suivant un mouve-
ment descendant. L’est est oku (amont, haut, mâle), l’ouest
est nké (aval, bas, féminin). Par rapport à l’axe de référence
est-ouest le nord est à droite (mho nnom, côté mâle), le sud
à gauche (mbo ngal, côté femelle). La limite entre le nord et
le sud est Osoe nnanga, rivière de l’albinos, qui est aussi
l’arc-en-ciel. On arrive ainsi à déterminer sur la rose des vents
deux aires opposées : le quadrant N. et E. mâle, le quadrant
S. et O., femelle. Les autres paraissent neutres. Le diamètre
N.-E., S.-O. formant la bissectrice de deux angles opposés
donnerait l’axe de la migration mfa’a man vers la mer...
Dans le bilaba (sorte de potlatch) les marchandises masculines
viennent du secteur femelle et vice versa. .: ces contradictions
se résoudraient par application du principe de double symé-
trie ou de complémentarité sexuelle
Mais partout un élément affectif se mêle à la perception de
l’espace. Tantôt une contrée est (( lue )) en fonction des dépla-
cements d’un ancêtre, tantôt un paysage figure le corps étendu
de quelque demi-dieu, tantôt les arbres, les rochers, les sources
ou les collines sont supposés être les abris des génies. Un
clivage essentiel est marqué entre l’espace humanisé, villages
ou champs, et l’espace naturel, forêt ou brousse. L’homme ne
se présente pas en dominateur, en maître de la nature, mais
en hôte parfois timide: Les cultes agraires avec une divinisa-
Dans un tel cadre culturel, on comprend bien ce que peut
avoir de religieux le tracé d’un plan, d’une ville. Tradition-
nellement, les villes du Soudan comme celles du Bénin étaient
encloses de murs et les portes y étaient en nombre limit&
Un certain nombre de voyageurs ont décrit des cités A six
portes, parfois sept avec une porte pour les trafics d’approvi-
sionnement, confiés aux esclaves. Des traditions historiques
rappellent que des sacrifices humains ont été exécutés parfois
lors de la fondation d’une ville : à Djenné, une jeune fille bozo
a été ensevelie vivante, dit-on, dans le mur d’enceinte.
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toi, Shango, en face; Ogun, à ma droite ... La ville s’appellera
Ife ... Seize dieux sont venus avec moi, ils auront des enfants
qui vivront autour de vous... )) Froebenius ajoute : (( I1 est clair
que la colline(een berg pardon heuvel) illustre, au centre d’Ife, fut jadis le nombril du
monde selon la conception yoruba. Ife, jadis, était constituée
de dix-sept quartiers, un central et quatre pour les points
cardinaux ... 1) La ville yoruba ancienne est donc centrée autour
du palais du roi. (( Le plan classique donne l’image d’une roue
stad als een wiel geconstrueerdavec le palais de l’Oba en guise de moyeu, les murs comme
jante et des rues figurent les rayons, partant du palais et
joignant la ville aux autres cités ... Le palais central entouré
de murs occupe une vaste surface : 1 à 8 yo de la ville intra-
muros 17. ))
Abeo kuta ou Ibadan présentent un plan plus complexe,
avec un réseau de carrefours plus ou moins reliés les uns aux
autres. Chacun de ces carrefours est constitué d’un enclos
important et d’un marché. L’histoire rend parfaitement
compte de cette disposition. Au XVIII~ siècle, lors de l’invasion
peul, diverses tribus appartenant à la race yoruba ont trouvé
refuge auprès de la colline d’Ibedan ou du rocher d’hbeokuta.
Elles s’y sont établies les unes à côté des autres, à l’abri d’une
muraille commune. Chacune est restée groupée auprès du
palais de son chef, donnant ainsi aux villes cet aspect de
constellation qui traduit leur origine fédérale. Un autel
spécial appartient à la collectivité urbaine, tandis que chacun
des lignages a son autel propre.
Le saré (palais) du Lamido
est au centre. Mais il n’est pas seul. La mosquée principale et
le marché sont là pour montrer que le pouvoir du chef lui a été
confié pour le bien de la communauté des croyants. Certes, le
chef peul dispose d’une autorité absolue, mais à qui sait aller
c
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plus loin que l’apparence, les rites et les institutions rappellent
qu’il est en réalité le descendant d’un conquérant féodal qui
avait (( reçu une bannière )) du prédicateur musulman Ousman
dan Fodio avec mission de soumettre à l’Islam un secteur du
pays païen où il allait se tailler un royaume.
La toponymie urbaine révèle aussi les sentiments qui ani-
ment les citadins. Si les monuments ou les rues fournissent des
symboles spatiaux, les noms des quartiers fournissent des
symboles verbaux. I1 faut d’abord relever l’opposition
(( ville-village )) faite par les Blancs plus souvent que par les
Noirs : ville désignant le centre et les quartiers riches, village
s’appliquant aux quartiers africains, alors que l’énormité
de leur population rend une telle appellation dérisoire. L’em-
ploi très général du nom (( plateau 1) ou, au Sénégal, d’ (( escale n,
en dehors de tout port fluvial ou aérien.
http://members.tripod.com/~ElizBrunner/Scholar/SnakesThree.htm
5 And God withdrew His Word from Seth.
God did not speak to him anymore...as simple as that...gods word>god said.
Luluwa was understandably not happy.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/6859/Genealogy/adams01c.html
There is by the way a tribe Luluwa in congo in the area were one can find the mines. Were of old groups of people came together.
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The Ethiopians possess a Ge-eze Biblical translation, while the Israelites have a Hebraic one. Hebrew & Ge-eze are surely African, and I feel it is important for Black People to know which speech their ancestors used, & begin speaking it also.
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/8870/memory/judaic.html
Nu ik toch bezig ben:
http://groups.msn.com/TwelveTribesLiveUp/theoriginalpeopleofjah.msnw
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Maybe the ancient Scrolls that these African Edenic scholars compiled gave the right date for Adamah & Hawa's(Adam and Eve)presence,which was probably earlier than 6,000 years.
http://www.world-destiny.org/a14para.htm
http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~fm-ter-horst/De%20Schepping.htm
stood against the Trinity, even with the threat of death, is that it is not in fact a biblical doctrine, but a man-made one.
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=158
Assyrian amulet protector of the male spirit.
http://www.jameswbell.com/geog0050inames.html
lilith.
http://www.lilitu.com/lilith/lil_alt-myth.html
Lilith does appear in the Bible once (Isaiah 34:14). This hebrew word
_lilith_ is translated in most English Bibles as"owl". She is seen in
this passage in the negative light, in line with the usual
patriarchal/rabbinical attitude.
By the end of the Babylonian/Persian captivity (c. 500 bc) the only tribe
left was the tribe of Judah (Juden -> Jews) who had forgotten the whole
reason there were two stories in the first place. By the time the Romans
finally destroyed the last temple around 70 AD it became an article of
faith that the Torah was inviolable. This left readers in an awkward
position, since the same author contradicted himself in the first few
pages of the first book. Presto, Lilith was born. Like any really good bad
girl, she has developed quite a reputation. She, by the way, is the one
created equal with man out of clay. 
zonde dus
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent
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In alchemy, the ouroboros symbolises the circular nature of the alchemist's opus which unites the opposites: the conscious and unconscious mind.
It is believed to have been inspired by the Milky Way, as some
ancient texts refer to a serpent of light residing in the heavens.
reflection of Ea and plays a part merely in association with her lord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ea
Lilith=luluwa
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Before Babylonian invasion, Elil/YHWH was seen as a family of divinities:
Y - El, the father
H - Ashtoreth, wife
W - son Baal
H - daughter Anath
Adam and eve where gods too>>>the link to the asian myth, but the conclusion comes from the banal act of God and their immortality.
Kain meets oup with lilith and so generations later brings the bad blood in jezus, so jezus must die and become part of the realm of death to restore things as they should be. ( My solution for the utterly weird christian explanation for his crossdeath. And furthermore he is criminal with the criminal instead of magically whisling them away from the cross. So death is the true nature of God.)
The book of NOD
http://www.toonhound.com/adameva.htm
http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net/patriarchs/transactionrefs.asp?item=2&variant=0
http://www.bombaxo.com/cosanet.html
COS: The Context of Scripture. 3 volumes. Eds. William W. Hallo and K. Lawson Younger. Leiden: Brill, 1997-2002
ANET: Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament. Third Edition with Supplement. Ed. James B. Pritchard.
Princeton: Princeton Univ. Press, 1969
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A number of documents from Babylonia called Law Codes have been recovered and the fact that these contain parallels with biblical and modern law has evoked considerable interest in modern scholarship. The documents in question are:
The Laws of Urukagina (Sumerian, 2350 BC),
The Laws of Ur-Namrnu (Sumerian, 2112-2095 BC),
The Laws of Lipit-Ishtar (Sumerian 1934-1924 BC),
The Laws of Eshnunna (Babylonian, 1900 BC), and
The Code of Hammurapi (Babylonian, 1792-1750 BC).
Although three of the texts are in Sumerian there is a clear relationship and frequently verbal agreement among all of them, reflecting a continuous literary tradition. With the exception of the Laws of Eshnunna, they are all written in the form of a royal inscription. This fact indicates that they are not legal codes at all and this observation is corroborated by other features, namely the lack of consistency and the fact that the documents are neither comprehensive nor are they ever referred to in the abundant records of actual legal proceedings of the time. Rather, they are collections, within the framework of royal inscriptions, of independent legal decrees issued by various kings to meet specific problems. Collections of these, of which the Laws of Eshnunna is one example, were continuously copied, added to, and elaborated upon. From time to time these were put into royal inscriptions as a boast by the king that he had fulfilled his divine mission to administer his people justly and fairly.
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/info/timeline.html
Keltic myths,historic timeline 900 BCE.
Just before the comets struck (?)
http://www.mindtravel.com/gael/time.html
The racial group that we now call Celt were in fact an Indo-European people whose culture spread rapidly across the whole of Europe, up into Scandinavia, down into the Spanish peninsula; and modern thought points to a spread over the Asian sub-continent as far as the borders of China.
This does not mean the people expanded and took over, but that their culture was strong enough to dominate and be adopted by other peoples in the area.
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Middle Bronze Age (2000-1700 BC)
Large-scale invasions of Greek-speaking patriarchal peoples into mainland Greece.
(Linear A - still undeciphered)
Ma Mrt 14, 2005 5:54 am
http://eawc.evansville.edu/chronology/nepage.htm
http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=23&sub=53&cat_name=Timelines+%26+Charts&subcat_name=General
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=121779#121779
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Though they preserve most of the Sumerian culture, the Amorites introduce their semetic language, an early ancestor to HEBREW, into the region.
1900 BCE: The Near East - The Epic of Gilgamesh is redacted from Sumerian sources and written in the semetic language. Thus, though Gilgamesh was Sumerian, his Epic is Babylonian.
1900-1500 BCE: The Near East - Sometime between these dates a semetic group of nomads migrate from SUMER to CANAAN and then on to EGYPT. They are led by a caravan trader, the Patriarch Abraham, who will become the father of the nation of ISRAEL.
1800 BCE: The Near East - The Old Babylonians are employing advanced mathematical operations, such as, multiplication, division and square roots. In addition, they are using a duodecimal system (a system based on 12 and 6) to measure time. We still use their system for counting minutes and hours.
1763 BCE: The Near East - The Amorite King, Hammurabi, conquers all of SUMER. Around the same time, he writes his Code of Laws containing 282 rules including the principles of "an eye for an eye" and "let the buyer beware." It is one of the first codes of law in world history, predated only by the Laws of Lipit-Ishtar.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/posml/booknotes/genesis.html
Putting the chissel to dinobones?
http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_5818.html
http://www.home.nl/zoeken/frameset?u=http://www.ulg.ac.be/wittert/fr/images/i_35/b35412x.jpg&ru=http://www.ulg.ac.be/wittert/fr/flori/opera/galle/galle_ph_monstres.html
Gods were just people or was this a 16th century sentiment?
http://www.home.nl/zoeken/frameset?u=http://www.wf-f.org/WFFResource/StDomitillaetal.jpg&ru=http://www.wf-f.org/StsNereusAchilleus.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/nereus.gif
chinese dragon
http://www.home.nl/zoeken/frameset?u=http://www.ntimages.com/Cyprus/paphos/daughters-of-nereus.jpg&ru=http://www.ntimages.com/Paphos-tns.htm
The biblical OT is a bad source
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
1991 book: "The case against Christianity,"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm
Jeremiah 7:1-4).
http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_07.html#Military_leader
Churchhistory:
http://urban.hunter.cuny.edu/~thead/gervase.htm
The Lord Jesus Himself was a heaven of perpetual light, when He was declaring the glory of God, that glory which no man had seen before. And therefore He said: "No man has seen God at any time, except the only-begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." [Jn 1:17]mozes was definitely dead for christians!!!
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http://www.wf-f.org/StsNereusAchilleus.html
http://www.wf-f.org/StsNereusAchilleus.html
submarine tender with subs. vergelijk met de griekse oude afbeeldingen.
http://www.yale.edu/adhoc/research_resources/liturgy/images/bas_nereus.gif
http://www.home.nl/zoeken/frameset?u=http://www.geocities.com/medea19777/Images12/garden2.jpg&ru=http://www.geocities.com/medea19777/sea.html
the date shifts on the Gregorian calendar.
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/calendar.asp
Enoch also mentions the leapyear.
The original enoch is supposedly dated back 3300 years
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/fasting/tajuddin/fast_34.html
10 e of the first.
Read Joshua 3:11, 4:19 we see a referral to 25 of march. tenth day of the first month.
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/g/goddess_2_the_virgin.html
In israel 2004 BCE statue of astarte.
chronologie.
http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm#Written
http://www.dinoos.nl/Exodus.htm
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TORAH (The Law):
Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)
NEVI'IM (The Prophets):
Yehoshua (Joshua)
Shoftim (Judges)
Shmuel (I &II Samuel)
Melakhim (I & II Kings)
Yeshayah (Isaiah)
Yirmyah (Jeremiah)
Yechezqel (Ezekiel)
The Twelve (treated as one book)
Hoshea (Hosea)
Yoel (Joel)
Amos
Ovadyah (Obadiah)
Yonah (Jonah)
Mikhah (Micah)
Nachum
Chavaqquq (Habbakkuk)
Tzefanyah (Zephaniah)
Chaggai
Zekharyah (Zechariah)
Malakhi
KETHUVIM (The Writings):
Tehillim (Psalms)
Mishlei (Proverbs)
Iyov (Job)
Shir Ha-Shirim (Song of Songs)
Ruth
Eikhah (Lamentations)
Qoheleth (the author's name) (Ecclesiastes)
Esther
Daniel
Ezra & Nechemyah (Nehemiah) (treated as one book)
Divrei Ha-Yamim (The words of the days) (Chronicles)
As with the stories of the patriarchs, modern scholars question the historical accuracy of this information; however, scholars also claimed that the Torah could not have been written at that time because alphabetic writing did not exist … and then archaeologists dug up 4000 year old samples of alphabetic writing.
The resurrection of the dead will occur in the messianic age, a time referred to in Hebrew as the Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, but that term is also used to refer to the spiritual afterlife
http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/tilmari/tilmari2.htm#siscamb
differs in viewpoint from grays.
http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/4related.html
7 parts of the comet. ?
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Three hundred rocks,
One upon another,
They launched from their strong hands
And overshadowed the Titans with their missiles,
And buried them beneath the wide-pathed earth,
And bound them in bitter chains
When they had conquered them by their strength
For all their great spirit,
As far beneath the earth to Tartarus.
For a brazen anvil
Falling down from heaven nine nights and days
Would reach the earth upon the tenth:
And again,
A brazen anvil
Falling from earth nine nights and days
Would reach Tartarus upon the tenth.
ten persons...ten days? Quote:
The year 2194 BC is a remarkable coincidence indeed. A story like Plato's, a name for the sunken island like Plato's, and the date same as that counted for the destruction of Mesopotamia.
In China the had one falling about 4000 years ago and also near holland a part fell(proof? mythological atlantis so speculation)
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The galactic center of the galaxy is 26 degrees 54 minutes Sagittarius. It approaches 27 degrees 0 minutes in the year 2010. In the year 2012 the galactic center is 27 degrees and 1 minute.
27+1=10=1+0=1 = New Beginnings
http://www.crystalinks.com/ouroboros.html
The Flood
2344 BC
http://www.abiblestudy.com/part1.html
some ,more background e.g. plato:
http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/tilmari/tilmari4.htm
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In Southern Arcadia or better known by Akkadia or Mesopotamia, in their Gilgamesh epos there are the heavenly bulls. One can imagine the bulls roar as meteorites do.
Verschuur:
Continuing with Verschuur: "Also, aborigines in southern Australia still tell stories of terrible heat from the sky, consistent with the rain of "shooting stars" that has been described by scientists trying to model the consequences of impact."
"After the fire came the floods triggered by tsunamis that lashed coasts, a result of the seven fragments falling into the oceans and seas around the world. This is inferred from the content of oral traditions that tell of water washing over a large fraction of the earth's surface. Only the highest mountain ranges and central and northern Asia were spared of the floods. "According to some stories, the flood wave surmounted the Cordillera of North America and penetrated deep into the continents."
"Those parts of the continents spared from floods were deluged with torrential rains that brought mud and soot and acid, which in places turned the rain to a bloody color. "Countless myths report with horror that the evil wolf (Edda) or a pernicious demon devoured the sun, the moon and the stars."
"Terrible winds were also reported in various legends. There were tales of birth defects whose nature might be blamed on the noxious acidic rains, the expected increases in ultraviolet radiation following the removal of the ozone layer, and the suspension of heavy metals in the water following the rains."
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Verschuur:
"Based on what [Tollmanns] claim to have found in the historical record, and comparing that with modern calculations of the consequence of a major collision, they conjure up the following picture of events. Immediately following a series of impacts, there was a great heat pulse produced by the fireballs. As a result of flood and fire, much of the world was left in ruins. Many of the ancient stories also tell of earthquakes of enormous magnitude. "The crust moved, according to these traditions, like the running high waves of the tempestuous sea, hurtled people on their faces, uprooted trees, crushed rocks, broke down mountain crests and raised them elsewhere, changed the landscape and submerged many islands in the Atlantic and in the Indian Ocean."
"Wildfires are reported in tales from Indians in California, and similar stories from the Near East around the Euphrates. This then makes contact with what Clube and Napier have claimed."
earthquakes in the region.
http://www.crystalinks.com/volcanoesunderwater.html
suggested daily...or weekly...steps:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/heinrich.html
Europe's largest underwater volcano is active according to the scientists who have been monitoring it for years, but until recently believed it to be dormant. There has never been an eruption of the volcano in recorded history. The Tyrrhenian Project, the national research group studying the volcano, reported its findings last November 27, 1999.
Mt. Marsili, which rises 9,800 feet (3,000 meters) from the seabed in the Tyrrhenian Sea southwest of Naples, is capable of producing huge tidal waves along southern Italy if its activity ever does build to an eruption. According to the researchers, "Il Marsili'" is about 40 miles (65 km) long and 25 miles (40 km) wide. The experts said its tip was only 1,640 feet (500 metres) below the surface of the water.
Michael Marani, the scientist heading up the study of the volcano, said, "Because the Tyrrhenian Sea is the youngest sea in the Mediterranean, it is still unstable and carries elevated risks that must be monitored and understood." He reported that evidence of enormous masses which had probably broken away from the main crater a long time ago were found on the volcanic edge and that a repeat of a similar collapse would result in massive earthquakes in the region.
a Heinrich event can be obtained by reading the following:
http://www.globalsuperstorm.com/
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/211/project2/moana.htm
http://williamcalvin.com/bookshelf/climate.htm
Science knows that this sudden, drastic cooling can take place in the space of just a couple of years. Should a major Heinrich event take place (or be taking place), it would probably result in the deaths of tens of millions of people in the Northern Hemisphere. Given the past frequency of these events, you probably stand a substantially greater chance of dying in a Heinrich event than in a plane or automobile crash. When an event is imminent, there is probably only one way increase your chances of staying alive...move South. Because, as the event grows stronger, EVERYONE will be moving South, the best thing to do is get the greatest advance warning possible...and avoid the rush.
geologisch:
It is a combination of the high amplitude and frequency of climatic oscillations, coupled with the intensity of the colder periods in particular, that gives the Quaternary its distinctive character.” (Lowe and Walker, 1997)
The Quaternary period is a subdivision of geological time and makes up the last 2 million years up to present day. However the exact duration of this period is debated by different authors with the onset of the period being placed between 1.65 and 2.4 million years. The Quaternary period has been divided into two epochs; the Pleistocene which covers the period from about two million years to ten thousand years ago and the Holocene which covers the period from ten thousand years ago to the present day.
http://qra.org.uk/what.html
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Fluctuations of more than 15˚C between warm and cold periods occurred during this period of time and were frequently rapid with the last 800ka having witness as many as 10 glacial / interglacial cycles. The exact number of Quaternary climatic cycles stills remains to be established but deep ocean sediment records have suggested that there may have been as many as fifty glacial and interglacial periods. (Lowe and Walker, 1997)
Large global interglacial – glacial – interglacial climate oscillations have been recurring approximately at a 100,000 year periodicity for the last 900,000 years. With the large climate oscillations spanning the last 130,000 years having been the most studied.
In stratigraphic terms, the last 100ka oscillations began with the Eemian interglacial – Stage 5e and possibly 5d. This is followed by the colder last glacial period (Stage 4 – 2) and the Holocene Interglacial which is what we are in at present beginning around 11,000 years ago (Stage 1).
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html
According to marine records, the Eemain interglacial ended with a rapid cooling event about 110,000 years ago. A number of other sudden changes and short – term warm and cold alternations have been recognised following the end of the Eemain interglacial. The most extreme of these fluctuations are cold Heinrich events and warm interstadials.
Interstadials: during the generally colder conditions which occurred between 110,000 and 10,000 years ago there were many short-termed and sudden warm events and there presence can be recognized in ice core records.
Heinrich events: these are opposite to interstadials and are characterized by extreme and short-lived cold events. The last Heinrich event occurred around 17,000 – 15,000 years ago just after the Last Glacial Maximum and seems to mark the extreme cold and aridity that occurs around the World at this time. The Younger Dryas event occurred 12,900 – 11,500 years ago and characterised by a cold event. It has the general features of a Heinrich event and many regard it as the most recent of these.
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html
"Enoch, or Edris, as he is called by the Arabs, was born in Hindostan, but he lived in Yemen. He was a prophet. In his days men worshiped fire, being deceived by Eblis. When God sent Enoch to his brethren to turn them from their false worship, they would not believe him.
"Idolatry began in the times of Jared, son of Mahalaleel, and it spread to such an extent that, when Noah was born, there were not eighty persons who worshiped the true and living and only God.
"Enoch knew how to sew, and was an accomplished tailor. He was the first to put pen to paper; he wrote many books. He had in his possession the books of Adam, and for ten years, instead of sleeping, he spent the night in reading them. He also read these books to the people, and endeavored thereby to bring them back to the knowledge of the true God." (Related in the Chronicle of Abou-djafar Tabari, published in French at Paris, 1867.)
http://www.swedenborgdigitallibrary.org/golden/gold13.htm
you actually feel high by the end of the meal
http://en.mimi.hu/esoteric/angel.html
http://groups.msn.com/GiantstheBibleandEnoch/nephilim2.msnw
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The reason it was translated as "giant" is because in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament made around 250 B.C., the Jewish scholars translated verse 4 by the Greek word gigentes which means "Titan."
Is there a connection between the Antichrist of Revelation and "Grays" (the Watchers)? "Titanos" in Greek means " gray , whitish..
http://www.facadenovel.com/irenaeus.pdf
puzzle:
http://groups.msn.com/GiantstheBibleandEnoch/titans1.msnw
Demons http://www11.brinkster.com/code10v2/black/main/demon.html titanos means grays message on message board ----
Titan (Greek) = Sheitan (Chaldean) = Satan (Hebrew)
Saitan also means first born.
Isis is designated in the inscriptions are “Creatress of green things,” “Green goddess, whose green colour is like unto the greenness of the earth,” “Lady of Bread,” “Lady of Beer,” “Lady of Abundance.” According to Brugsch she is “not only the creatress of the fresh verdure of vegetation which covers the earth, but is actually the green corn-field itself, which is personified as a goddess.” This is confirmed by her epithet Sochit or Sochet, meaning “a corn-field,” a sense which the word still retains in Coptic.
Didnt the bible mention the killing of the green things?'
JD maybe you can help out here.'
It is said that among the Getae down to the beginning of our era there was always a man who personified a god and was called God by the people. He dwelt on a sacred mountain and acted as adviser to the king.
http://www.bartleby.com/196/
The amazones also turned out to be real humans, they found a grave and modern day offspring in Mongolia near the border of China
http://www.thegreatyear.com/
http://www.siriusresearchgroup.com/letters/index.shtml
Enoch.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm
These Titans or giants (Nephilim) also appeared in the traditions or legends, of the Indo-Aryan peoples and they were called, from India through to Asia, the giants in the Sanskrit which is raksasa.
naar http://www.perseus.tufts.edu.
They told the secrets of the gods: something journalists could do http://www.perseus.tufts.edu.
http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/test/Vases/ASP/default.asp (Zoek bij die 'zephyros', 'satyr', 'tritons' 'monster' of 'monsters', 'nereus'. Nereus 'half-titaan, half-gigant'.
(F148 en 37.791 )
Gabriël a woman.
Leapyear enoch chapters 70-75
http://www.rvu.nl/rvu.php?i=4&n=168, videostream 'in den beginne')
Enoch- Henoch.
6e generation after Adam and Eva.
as a prime legal source.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0860791.html
http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/davidman/smoke/smoke.9.htm
Za Feb 26, 2005 6:11 am
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/phoenicians.html
je komt om in de keltische enochen:
The meaning of the name Enoch is:
dedicated; disciplined
The origin is:
Hebrew
http://groups.msn.com/GiantstheBibleandEnoch/giants6.msnw
http://www.jesussilenced.com/celtic.html
(40) Impious angels. Literally, "the Satans" (Laurence, p. 45; Knibb, p. 128). Ha-satan in Hebrew ("the adversary") was originally the title of an office, not the name of an angel.
(41) Prefer accusations against. Or, "to accuse" (Charles, p. 119).
Remeber what I said about heaveb (priestclass) and earth(administration)
(13) Biters. More accurately, "bastards" (Charles, p. 73; Michael A. Knibb, ed. and trans., The Ethiopic Book of Enoch [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1978], p. 8 .
everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm#Chapter02
Anne Kohn Blau teaches sociology in the California State University system. She has been immersed in research on the Dead Sea Scrolls and its companion literature for the last thirty years. She has painstakingly traced links among the various texts in an effort to synthesize traditional historical and sociological approaches to the period and people. Dr. Blau's Ph.D. dissertation at Boston College dealt with the issue of women and the money taboo. She has several publications in this field. e.g
Anne Kohn Blau teaches sociology in the California State University system. She has been immersed in research on the Dead Sea Scrolls and its companion literature for the last thirty years. She has painstakingly traced links among the various texts in an effort to synthesize traditional historical and sociological approaches to the period and people. Dr. Blau's Ph.D. dissertation at Boston College dealt with the issue of women and the money taboo. She has several publications in this field.
In hand f.i. meaning penis. Yep alos makes for a different read of the bible.
On Jezus the nazarener.
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Definisi :
Neziah = "pre-eminent"
1) head of a family of temple slaves returning from exile with Zerubbabel
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/T/Ta/Tanakh.htm
In India, for example, one human god started in life as a cotton-bleacher and another as the son of a carpenter
niveau of barbarism that was reached in the 13th century
http://www.bartleby.com/196/pages/page291.html
In a society where every man is supposed to be endowed more or less with powers which we should call supernatural, it is plain that the distinction between gods and men is somewhat blurred, or rather has scarcely emerged.
http://www.bartleby.com/196/15.html
http://www.bartleby.com/196/15.html
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The family thus liable to furnish at least one human victim every year was of royal descent, for they traced their lineage to Minyas, the famous old king of Orchomenus, the monarch of fabulous wealth, whose stately treasury, as it is called, still stands in ruins at the point where the long rocky hill of Orchomenus melts into the vast level expanse of the Copaic plain
http://www.bartleby.com/196/s26.html
http://depts.clackamas.cc.or.us/banyan/3.2/Balgamwalla.asp
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/caezza3.html
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(Azazel is the only Watcher whose burial place is believed to be known: under a heap of stones at the foot of the cliff of Haradan, in what is now the Sinai, where, regarded as a demon, he received every year the scapegoat driven into the desert with its burden of Israel's sins. Alternately, he is sometimes said to have hurled himself into the sky and become the constellation Orion.)
Egypte Etrusken india, soul travel to orion , through seven gates, a ritual that jezus according to one version of the bilble symbolicly underwent (nicodemus, mithraïsme)
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According to the myth, Chrysomellos, the winged ram sent by beneficent Olympian deities rescues a child from the homicidal plot of his stepmother, carrying him safely to the eastern shores of the Black sea. Here the miraculous ram becomes a sacrifice, its fleece hung upon an oak tree in a grove sacred to Ares and guarded by a dragon. The scenario refers metaphorically to the descent of the Divine from above the highest sepheroth, Kether, down the Kabbalistic tree of life to the lowest sepheroth, Malkuth, Earth in the presence of the element Antimony, who's vital spirit, philosophic mercury, remains still in tact. Matter has become the prison of spirit. Insightful wisdom and artful alchemical manipulation may release it.
Renaissance alchemists represented antimony by the symbolic rams horns that also identify the zodiac constellation Ares. Antimony, a metalloid or semi-metal was perceived as below lead in an infant or childhood state in the natural process of metallic evolution fully mature in the element gold. It was also symbolized as a cross above a circle which additionally identified Earth, the divinely perfect circle of gold buried under the cross of nature upon which man is crucified.
Also seen as circumsicion ritual.
I Enoch (LXV:6-7, quoting the even more ancient Book of Noah) is explicit: "...they [humans] have learnt all the secrets of the angels(anunnaki)...and all their secret power, and all the power of those who practice magic arts, and the power of enchantments and...of those who cast molten images for all the earth..."
Could this be one reason for the suppression of the Apocrypha? The chance that no condemnation of divination, astrology, spells, etc., as Devil-inspired would stand if these chapters, plainly claiming them as heavenly lore, remained in the Old Testament?
A wide body of material which was originally accepted as canonical was excised by the Councils of 633 and 637 CE for various reasons, mostly censorious. (For example, the Council banished the Infancy Gospels, wherein a cruelly arrogant Christ Child kills several innocent townspeople who merely got in his way.)
Jezus goes from lamb carrier, to serafis(teacher) to crucifixion in a thirteeth century addition.
http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/Babylonoccult2.htm
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It is the greatest sacrifice: castration. Crucial diagonal cuts are made on the tied off areas (perhaps for prepubescent boys, the testicles alone, or for the most zealous of men, full castration of testicles and penis with a reed placed in the urethra to maintain an opening). The wounds are cauterized with fire ("shapes of flaming fire round about it" 4Q403 l ii 9)(50) and anointed with healing oils. Then the physician\priest proclaims: "Thou art nigh to (God) and nigh to all His holy ones. Now be thou pure in thy flesh from every defilement of all men." (Aramaic Testament of Levi, v. 1(51) and then, "they announce in the stillness" (4Q401 frag. 16, line 2)(52) to the crowd outside. The "stillness" is appropriate because of the reality of the moment rather than the ineffability of the mystical experience. "Stillness" represents tension and expectation, as well as an inability to articulate a profound experience. Marking the moment, the incense covering the smell of the holocaust of the fleshly sacrifice wafts outside to the crowd. This is a solemn moment when everyone realizes that there are "wonderful mysteries" but that the angels will now "make known hidden things" (4Q401 14 ii 2-6). They reveal secret knowledge "for those who cause knowledge to shine among all the elim of light" (4Q403 l ii 35). And as the "Hymn to the Creator" asserts: "When all his angels had witnessed (it) they sang aloud, for he showed them what they did not know" (11QPs(a) 26:5-6).(53) In other words, what the initiate shows is the way God reveals to the community a process by which a man, born of woman and the flesh, can become a newly born "angel" by undergoing a procedure, painful as it may be, which renders him virginal, newly born forever and thus perfect.(5
Petrus had the same idea. Was jezus of the same cult?
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These represent the rainbow sign of Noah. In biblical literature, "multi-colored" fabrics are usually worn by women and kings.(56) The robe of the godlike ones is distinctive, quite appropriate for transvestites serving God and the new age by making the greatest fleshly sacrifice.
The idea of an earthly congregation mirroring a heavenly one is a classical, mystical concept that derives from the Biblical view of chosenness
Enochs: " fallen watchers that have intercourse with women."...
or sheep if you go for the christian translation 
(almost as often as the virginal number seven
Again a different meaning of seven.
The seven sisters in the telescope...(the gullible enoch told that they capture the comets)
There, too, the idolatrous context should not be missed. The phrase "mingled colors" was used to deride the worshippers of the Goddess, whose priestesses were famous for their spectacular, colorful dress.(32) (ezekial 2
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From "glory," "wonder," "royal," "God of knowledge," to "war in heaven," "wondrous new works," and "purpose" in the eschatological sense (4Q402 4) the Shirot move toward the climactic seventh-psalm event.
We see in the Shirot that feminine nouns are changed to the masculine form but not vice versa; (66) that, too, is quite consistent with the message that eunuchs are highly honored men (almost godlike) and should be divorced from sexual associations with women, who are regarded as tainted.
that Gabriel is rooted in female myths. A folk story tells of "how she [our emphasis] takes the invariably protesting soul from paradise, and instructs it for the nine months while it remains in the womb of its mother."
(Malcolm Godwin, Angels, An Endangered Species [N.Y.: Simon and Schuster, 1990] 44).
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/isheres/ttatv1.htm
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/zimriel/daniel4/daniel4b.html
(mind you, luxaflex site)
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http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-Web/L/L053b.htm
http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.t.wright/resources/Resume%202003.htm
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5347 -- n@qebah
No. Strong: 05347
Kata : n@qebah
Pengucapan: {nek-ay-baw'}
Asal Kata : from 05344
Sumber : TWOT - 1409b
Jenis Kata: n f
Dalam AV : female 18, woman 3, maid 1
Jumlah : 22
Definisi :
1) female
1a) woman, female child
1b) female animal
Makes any selfrespecting woman turn her back firmly on this kind of religion.
1) head of a family of temple slaves returning from exile with Zerubbabel
http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-Web/L/L053b.htm
No. Strong: 05335
Recent research has revealed evidence in the Bible and other ancient sources that 'The End Days' will begin in the year AD 2006 and last for seven years.
Sad christians 
http://exodus2006.com/cal.htm
http://exodus2006.com/5enoch.htm
http://www.yale.edu/nelc/sbhayro2.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/psco/year25/8803c.shtml
Philadelphia Seminar on Christian Origins
an Interdisciplinary Humanities Seminar
2001
“A Karshuni (Christian Arabic) Account of the Descent of the Watchers” in Ada Rapoport-Albert (ed.), Biblical Hebrew – Biblical Texts (Sheffield Academic Press), 365-374.
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It contains a minute analysis of the Ethiopic, Syriac, Greek and Aramaic versions of 1 Enoch 6-11, as well as the publication of an hitherto unedited Karshuni (Christian Arabic) fragment. This analysis then forms the basis for a detailed literary analysis of the narrative.
Hebrew does not say 'watchers' but 'nephilim'. Piece of a hefty discussion that maintains that rocketships are the flavour of the day.
Jouon-Muraoka, A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew,
vol. 1, p. 271; and Gesenius's Hebrew Grammar, ed. Kautsch, p. 242).
(Aramaic was the language
spoken in Babylon, where Israel was exiled in the 6th century – the
SAME century in which the matres lectiones consonant-vowels begin
to appear). When Aramaic words were carried into the Hebrew Bible
by those who wrote or edited the final form of the Hebrew Bible, the
proper Hebrew "m" plural was substituted for the Aramaic "n" to
"convert" the form to proper Hebrew
If Aramaic "naphal" is the correct root behind "nephilim," then the
ONLY thing this spelling can mean is "those who fell / were fallen.”
http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm
luxaflex site
http://www.semjaaza.com/seven/scribe.html
http://rgrace.org/pdfact/Nephilim.pdf
What ~yliypin. (Nephilim) Does NOT mean:
1) "those who fall upon" (implying they were mere human warriors) – many
Christians hold this view.
I cut it up, continous under jd's remark
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Want (kai) het bassale (agenes) van de wereld (kosmos) en (kai) het verachte (exoutheneo) heeft (eklegomai) God (theos) gekozen (eklegomai) en (kai) hetgeen dat (ho) is(on) niets (me) om (hina) tot niets te maken hetgeen dat iets(katargeo) is (on)
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opdat (hopos) geen (me pas) vlees (sarx) zal roemen (kauchaomai)
voor (enopion) Hem (autos)
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maar (de) uit (ek) Hem (autos) zijn (este) wij (humeis) in (en) Christus (Christos) Jezus (Iesous), die (hos) van (apo) God (theos) geworden is (ginomai) voor ons (hemin) wijsheid (te sophia), rechtvaardigheid (dikaiosune) en (kai) heiligmaking (hagiasmos) en (kai) verlossing (apolutrosis)
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omdat (hina) zoals (kathos) het is geschreven(grapho) hij die roeme (kauchaomai), roeme (kauchaomai) in (en) de Heer (kurios)
My suggestion is to gogle for this greek part of the bible and make a little study on the different ways of translation that are possible.
I prefer the two vulcano story. One did away with gods that could throw one out of Eden. And this Mozes variation.
The God Abraham worshipped was almost certainly the kanaän siuperior god EEl
That's how god introduced himselve in the oldest books/texst
Sjaddai (Eel of the hight) and Eel Eljon ( the most high). Devine appearances happened a lot in 'heathen' mostly in dream so that part of genesis is nothing special.
However on encountering Mozes in the form of a burning bush, God gets his name and becomes the god of Jews, christians and islamic. In a way un linked from gods like Eel, Mardoek, Baäl en Anat.
The burning bush. Given to the species somewhere near turkey. Where we happen to find pockets of gas quite close to the surface, a sort of marshgas and the ordinary kind. So where gos allready devoured two tribes man we can also read that they unsuspecting walked into this dangerous territory *******************************************************************
I'll continue tomorrow. This needs translation. Any other help of that kind needed, just ask! Paraphrasing too. maybe some of you have an equivalent in English.
The latter were a kind of Godkings.
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...Jacob got his first view of god in Bet-Eel, the house of Eel, Eel was still deeprooted during the time of mozes, the Isra-eel-lian people, shows from the fact that while mozes was on mount sinaï ( more probable mount tabor since that comes closer to the description) the people made a golden calf to honour and pray to Eel.
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The gathering(meeting) of the gods that also played an important part in former religions, is seen in psalm 82, where we find Jahweh condemn his fellow gods to death.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~heraclitus/heraclitus_abraham.html
God is a verb.
(De ambachtsman en het verloren gegane goud is een eenvoudige metafoor die gebruikt wordt ter illustratie van Jitzchaq Loeria's kosmologie, die bekend staat als het Breken van de Vaten. Deze kosmologie werd afgeleid van de openingsverzen van het boek Genesis, die luiden: 'De aarde was woest (tohoe) en leeg (bohoe); duisternis was over de diepte (tehoem).' )
breaking of the vessels=the metaphore of the craftsman and the lost gold
http://www.newkabbalah.com/shev.html
http://www.inner.org/responsa/leter1/RESP10.HTM
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Atzilut-tohu.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/2795/qb5.html
The breaking of the vessels is typically associated with Genesis 36:31-39, wherein the Torah lists "the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before a king reigned over the Children of Israel." Eight kings are listed, one after the other. Qabalists attribute these pre-Israelite kings to the flawed vessels that broke. The qabalistic scholars also assume that Kether, Chochma, and Binah did work together, giving light as well as receiving it, and that they were not among those that shattered. But eight Kings/vessels are mentioned in Genesis 36. That adds to eleven (three vessels that did not shatter plus eight that did shatter). The solution: daath/knowledge, the so-called invisible sphere, was one of those that shattered.
There's another way to look at it. In the recitation of the kings of Edom, seven kings are listed, one after the other, as having ruled and died. But when we get to the eighth king, something different happens. The Torah does not specifically tell us he died, as it did for the preceding seven kings. And we are told the name of the eight king's wife. None of the wives of the other seven kings are identified. This has led some to believe that the eighth king was not part of the process of shattering. These authorities suggest that the last vessel/sphere, malkuth, did not shatter.
tohoe= chaos, surprise or confusion. The depth Tehoem means death, so the gold is gone.
Bohoe=emptiness
which implies that there where other vessels that could receive the light.
So Bohoe represents (symbolises) the possibilities of creation and in qabbala becomes therefore the univers (all) of recovery=Tiqqoen.
This universe could contain the gold nitsotsot: sparks
Google for ejn sof (or ein sof)
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So above, so below; so below , so above.
Sohar repeats the theme of higher and lower world dozens of times( reflection of conscious)
Jezus took this litterally. And the bible is filled with examples of this kind of thinking. The essene nazarene sekt it seems the vatican even wants to change the bible so as to be more in tune with the dead sea scrolls content, where this idea is reflected too and jezus is a bit more of a rebel.
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This old kaabbalistic tought is a holistic energetic model of the universe. (jacobsladder?) it goes trough al layers of reality and contains all possible dimansions of creation, angels , demons and feelings.
Kabbala was revived but as to how old the idea is i would not dare to guess.
Past, future, this incarnation and all . According to this version of jewish mysticism everything and each 'non-entity' that will be in creation is connected.
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All creation is speres of conscious.
Form the viewpoint of a god in the middle(if we would have that capacity i.e. thoughtexperiment.People were a bit to litteralminded)we could see that all creation is connected with a central point: the source of creation. points in the universe that created the word as if captured in vessels(gravitywell) and conscious. (we are stardust)
So genesis is the story of developing consciousness.
nà'asè adam betsalménoe ki‑d'moeténoe, wat betekent: ' Let us make a creature, named adam after our image, as out equal, that looks like us.
So far so good. I take it to mean land of the fertile plane as the land was on all the speres in the heavens but where people are conscious of needing that for their welbeing. And aware that the world is not a whole lot different from the moon etc. Nor the sun from other stars and that without light nothing will grow.
That nicely fits the conscious from nomad to urban dweller.
God is one, but not an entity but all that we in thoughtexperiments can be aware of, so everything is part of it but especially the US like us that has awareness of the bigger picture.
Otherwise you get stuck with a tinkering god and would expect a hand (of god) to be pointing down from the sky any moment:
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The real paradox from creation is how from one came to be many.
How would the one perfect source create something that is less then himselve. (The ancients solved that one neatly by creating with their one conscious the likes of God(s)with many powers  )
How would it make room for the other since it allready contains everything?
Back to the drawingboard.
http://www.volcanolive.com/news18.html
Two possible volcanoes on Java
Sri lanka:
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Hi lilith
I went through your last link. I thought they were interesting and found some good things in them. They were quite diverse. In your last paot about El. seems to be canaanite derivative. I thought that was interesting. I tend agree with you.
With the burning bush that was vey interesting as well. Pity no one had a camera in those days. We all really have to go on faith.
I was wandering you have a look at my links. Was I mad or what. Just joking. It was good experience as I writing the post I thought I uncovered something great..
Anyway all the best
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gas plant
n.
A Eurasian plant (Dictamnus albus) having aromatic foliage and white flowers and emitting a flammable vapor. Also called burning bush, dittany; Also called fraxinella.
The noun gas plant has one meaning:
Meaning #1: Eurasian perennial herb with white flowers that emit flammable vapor in hot weather
Synonyms: fraxinella, dittany, burning bush, Dictamnus alba
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=440q40t1c94i1?method=4&dsid=1555&dekey=G0053600&gwp=8&curtab=1555_1&sbid=lc02a
I'll take a good look later today,
greetingz
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174080#174080
In the Indusvalley we saw the start of hinduism (4000 BCE), also nothing more than a way to organise government.
The planet uranus wasn't discovered untill 1800 something.
The mention of a kind of deity of that name only happened in greek mythology say about 500 BCE.
I would put my money on the sumerians moving to and from the indusvalley and a good read in the Veda. 330 million gods gives a nice sense of perpective. Add 10.000 for the other believes in the world and it makes one wonder why we are stuck with what we have.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/069111532X/102-0482103-7837726?v=glance
http://www.nationalgeographic.ca/explore/genographic/programmes.asp
http://www.waittfoundation.org/past/Genographic.html
The ancestor of modern man's ultimate grandchild lives in kazachstan'.
About 50.000 years ago this person /man gave the male-gene to europeans, asians and north and south americans. His group was the second that came from africa. Other groups went to Australia and india and China.
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