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Shake Down
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Just more of the same old Ali blah blah BS. Most of these "I converted for a man and then left" read just alike. Its obvious that most are written by the same person. Look at the style of the letters.
Ali you need a better varity of writers or if you're writing them your self have a few beers first and you might come up with something new. You need a new script!!! A new formula!!! Its begining to show and becoming just as boring as you. Now if you start paying me, I'll write you some really good fairy tales. All you gullible Ali worshipers are so filled with hate that you'll eat and drink anything Ali serves you. Hate makes you stupid.
Do you know which of your apostate letters,that you hold as true, that I wrote for fun and you published? I put in lots of hints. 
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scaredguy
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To shake down
Non-muslim human beings are being misled and misused by muslims and you have nothing better to do than ridicule or slander these non-muslims and counter with some conspiracy theory.
Typical muslim. |
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hacel
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Just more of the same old Ali blah blah BS. Most of these "I converted for a man and then left" read just alike. Its obvious that most are written by the same person. Look at the style of the letters.
Ali you need a better varity of writers or if you're writing them your self have a few beers first and you might come up with something new. You need a new script!!! A new formula!!! Its begining to show and becoming just as boring as you. Now if you start paying me, I'll write you some really good fairy tales. All you gullible Ali worshipers are so filled with hate that you'll eat and drink anything Ali serves you. Hate makes you stupid.
Do you know which of your apostate letters,that you hold as true, that I wrote for fun and you published? I put in lots of hints. |
That is strange Shake down. You see all the writings of anti-Muslims as the same style and context?
I see the same thing when I read Muslims postings here. In fact I tend to suspect all the Muslims (nicknames) are of the same person, save Abd'Allah whom I evaluate as “high quality Muslim”.
Maybe there is barrier between fundamentals of both opposing systems (strict programming of any move of Muslim vs. view of this phenomenon by non-Muslim)?
Then we might have this perception all Asians or all Africans look the same for people not used to other races facial features?
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Shake Down
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To shake down
Non-muslim human beings are being misled and misused by muslims and you have nothing better to do than ridicule or slander these non-muslims and counter with some conspiracy theory.
Typical muslim. |
Scaredguy you sound like a stupid little cry baby to me. 
Human beings other than so-called muslims are also at this very moment misleading, abusing, killing, murdering, etc. Its the human condition.
Do you have nothing better to do than defend obvious lies and uphold disinformation and pervert truth?
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hacel
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| Scaredguy you sound like a stupid little cry baby to me. |
Here is a lot od substance right? On the form vs substance 100 points? for substance?
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Human beings other than so-called muslims are also at this very moment misleading, abusing, killing, murdering, etc. Its the human condition.
Do you have nothing better to do than defend obvious lies and uphold disinformation and pervert truth? |
Show what you can do. So fare we are just discussing muslim's holy scriptures. Reject them!
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Shake Down
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That is strange Shake down. You see all the writings of anti-Muslims as the same style and context? |
No, I don't see all writings of anti-Muslims as the same. I never said that. I was talking about the apostate letters in particular and even then I said "most". I've read them all and the majority (not all) seem to be written by the same person. I know this because of the style used.
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| I see the same thing when I read Muslims postings here. In fact I tend to suspect all the Muslims (nicknames) are of the same person, save Abd'Allah whom I evaluate as “high quality Muslim”. |
If you can't see that I have a unique style then you are not paying attention. I can see the unique styles of many posters. For example, I can see a consistant unique style in the post of cyberite, hector, gupsfu, scaredguy, Ali etc. and many others. Not you because I've not read many of your post - but if I did - I would be able to tell your writing style also.
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Maybe there is barrier between fundamentals of both opposing systems (strict programming of any move of Muslim vs. view of this phenomenon by non-Muslim)?
Then we might have this perception all Asians or all Africans look the same for people not used to other races facial features? |
If you've read any of my post you would realize that I'm anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith. Trying to compare me to the majority of "programed" muslims does not work.
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If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would misguide you from God's Way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing. (Surat al-An'am: 116)
It will all be OK in the end. If it's not OK, then it must not be the end. |
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hacel
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Do you renounce Hariths?
anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith? What kind of Muslim are you? Excuse me for my ignorance.
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doubtless
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He is just a bigotted self proclaimed slave of allah. He tries to cover his nastiness but it bubbles out now and them for all to see the islamic mindset of his.
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Shake Down
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Do you renounce Hariths?
anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith? What kind of Muslim are you? Excuse me for my ignorance. |
Yes, I do renounce all hadiths, the "good " ones that make Muhammad look like a saint and the "bad" ones that make him look evil. I reject them all. They are all conjecture, myths, folklore, fairy tales, and Hollywood type entertainment that were written 230+ years after the fact. It is impossible for them to be 100% correct. Humans can not tell the same story the next day so how can they correctly repeat thousands of stories over 8 generations. Yes!!! I reject them all as total lies at worst and partial truths at best. They are not needed except as a tool for crowd control of the masses. The Quran is complete and it explains its self.
I am a Quran alone Muslim! I am not the only one in the world. There are many of us and we are growing. The enimies of God (sunni, shia, Ali Sina and his elk) want to ignore us and pretend we do not exist - each for their own selfish power hungary reasons. We have existed since the Quran was revealed and will continue to exist until Judgement Day. Accept us. reject us. try to dismiss us, or laugh at us we really don't care because we know that there is only one God and each of us individually will be rewarded for what we do in this temporary plane of existance called the human condition. We are the true Muslims (or Submitters). We put or faith and hope in Allah Alone. Not in wacked out power hungary mullahs, dirty ayatollahs, or decitful scholars.
We accept all the prophets of God and all His revealed knowledge that has been revealed to mankind. We reject man-made innovations, i.e. hadiths, sunnah, senseless traditions, illogicial conclusions, etc.
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If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would misguide you from God's Way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing. (Surat al-An'am: 116)
It will all be OK in the end. If it's not OK, then it must not be the end. |
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piggy
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Do you renounce Hariths?
anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith? What kind of Muslim are you? Excuse me for my ignorance. |
Yes, I do renounce all hadiths, the "good " ones that make Muhammad look like a saint and the "bad" ones that make him look evil. I reject them all. They are all conjecture, myths, folklore, fairy tales, and Hollywood type entertainment that were written 230+ years after the fact. It is impossible for them to be 100% correct. Humans can not tell the same story the next day so how can they correctly repeat thousands of stories over 8 generations. Yes!!! I reject them all as total lies at worst and partial truths at best. They are not needed except as a tool for crowd control of the masses. The Quran is complete and it explains its self.
I am a Quran alone Muslim! I am not the only one in the world. There are many of us and we are growing. The enimies of God (sunni, shia, Ali Sina and his elk) want to ignore us and pretend we do not exist - each for their own selfish power hungary reasons. We have existed since the Quran was revealed and will continue to exist until Judgement Day. Accept us. reject us. try to dismiss us, or laugh at us we really don't care because we know that there is only one God and each of us individually will be rewarded for what we do in this temporary plane of existance called the human condition. We are the true Muslims (or Submitters). We put or faith and hope in Allah Alone. Not in wacked out power hungary mullahs, dirty ayatollahs, or decitful scholars.
We accept all the prophets of God and all His revealed knowledge that has been revealed to mankind. We reject man-made innovations, i.e. hadiths, sunnah, senseless traditions, illogicial conclusions, etc. |
Tell me ShakeDown, would YOU.......
Amputate the limbs of a thief....would you do this to your own family if they were sentenced by allah and the non-man-made executioners of the punishment commanded by allah in his Quran.?
Quran only:
[5.38] And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Would YOU deny people from entering the mosque?.....would you resort to force in this?
Quran only:
[9.17] The idolaters have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.
[9.18] Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course.
Would YOU deliver the punishment commanded here?
Quran only:
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
Would YOU deliver the punishment commanded here?
Quran only:
[24.2] (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.
Would YOU follow this commandement?
Quran only:
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
In a context of war against those who fight against allah and cause mischief in the land, would YOU take captive slaves, coerce the female captive slaves (right-hand possessions)to have sex with you?
There are other Quran-only commandments that are similar in discrimination, wickedness and oppression, these will do for the moment.
Shake Down just answer "YES" or "NO"
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bukitdago
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Unlike the experience of topic writer, my sister refuse to married her then muslim boyfriend, instead it is him that turned in the church after they split. Then he become a Christian.
Spiritually speaking.
Islam is devil inspired religion who uses Arab tribes to distroy primary the Jews and to stop Christian message of Gods salvation for humanity.
That is the reason why Allah denied that Jesus suffer and die on the cross and raise from the death.
So it made the devil still in charge and not being defeated and humanity is still not saved.
That is the reason why their main enemy is the Jews and Christians.
The proof is that Islam have no morality and no spiritual value.
Islam is a cult. No wonder so call spiritual leader do encite and justify murder.
Moderate muslim is a dorman Islamic virus. The jihadis is a full blown and active virus whic cause cancer where ever they reside.
They are fully possessed by their Jinn(demon) guardian. That is the reason why they do not feel guilty or sense of moral in causing harm to their enemy even fellow muslims ( look at everlasting fighting between Sunni and Shi'it.
Like their master(devil) they are hunger for power.
Islam is no better then Nazi but worst then communism.
Muslim are spiritually bound by Islam teaching therefore they can not see the truth of real Islam. They are under permanent hypnosis trance conditions. They can not see the reality of the fruit of Islam. They can only see what their god want them to see.
Some of the fruits of Islams are;
Ignorant, loveless,unforgiveness, hatered, poverty, illiterate, ill judgement, fear of punishment from their UNLOVING GOD. No sense of morality,............... behave like demon possessed when being hurt.
Other proof of Islam being devils religion is that it god re-enstate jinn(demon) as equal important as human.
This proof that the jinn are fallen angels who follow lucifer.
In Gods timing Islam will eventually distroyed itself, just like Cmmunism.
collapse under its own doing. Any teaching who is anti life will reap death as its author.
Just to comment on Newsweek artical, the whole book quran should be flashdown the toilet not just a page. because it cause a lot of destruction on humanity wellfare spiritually and materially.
To all muslims wake up before your god get your soul to his real kingdom of hell not his promise of earthly pleasure paradise/heaven as he make you to belief.
Don't be deceived only a lier and deceiver can promoses such an unbelievable pleasure.
Be warned. Islam will gravely damage your spiritual health.
Islam bring terror instead of peace to mankind.
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If a hypnotis can make you believe what ever he want you to see, just think how much more the Master hypnotise the  deceiver of mankind.
It can not only hypnotise a person but the whole nations.(Arabs and muslims world)
Just look at Persia/Iran. Her rich culture were totally destroyed and replace by a desert 7th century culture of violent and death.
Iranian must wake up and take back your culture from Islam.
Arabs must wake up because they are being used by allien gods to fight his battle. Islams god power is depending on the jihadis and the mukmin. Without real muslims/jihadis Islam god (Allah) is powerless. |
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hacel
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do you renounce Hariths?
anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith? What kind of Muslim are you? Excuse me for my ignorance. |
Yes, I do renounce all hadiths, the "good " ones that make Muhammad look like a saint and the "bad" ones that make him look evil. I reject them all. They are all conjecture, myths, folklore, fairy tales, and Hollywood type entertainment that were written 230+ years after the fact. It is impossible for them to be 100% correct. Humans can not tell the same story the next day so how can they correctly repeat thousands of stories over 8 generations. Yes!!! I reject them all as total lies at worst and partial truths at best. They are not needed except as a tool for crowd control of the masses. The Quran is complete and it explains its self.
I am a Quran alone Muslim! I am not the only one in the world. There are many of us and we are growing. The enimies of God (sunni, shia, Ali Sina and his elk) want to ignore us and pretend we do not exist - each for their own selfish power hungary reasons. We have existed since the Quran was revealed and will continue to exist until Judgement Day. Accept us. reject us. try to dismiss us, or laugh at us we really don't care because we know that there is only one God and each of us individually will be rewarded for what we do in this temporary plane of existance called the human condition. We are the true Muslims (or Submitters). We put or faith and hope in Allah Alone. Not in wacked out power hungary mullahs, dirty ayatollahs, or decitful scholars.
We accept all the prophets of God and all His revealed knowledge that has been revealed to mankind. We reject man-made innovations, i.e. hadiths, sunnah, senseless traditions, illogicial conclusions, etc. |
Shake Down
Qur’an is unintelligentable writing and impossible to understand without Hadiths and traditions.
Order of compilation is random or from the longest suras to the shortest.
It must be supplemented by other history / story writings to create any contest. What I mean Qur’an is totally out of contest by itself.
But never mind, lets look at Qur’an alone. Lets look at it in compilation put in chronological order as was recited / revealed.
I do not care much about all early revelation same as I couldn’t care less what is written in Buddhist or Hinduism scriptures. I even do not care what is in Christian scriptures. The only reason I am visiting this site and this forum is, what states in last (chronologically compiled) suras.
If we look at Qur’an we see contradiction. Early suras are contradicted by later suras. Islam calls this phenomena abrogation.
Some explain that Allah changed his / hers / its mind replacing suras by better suras. Others explain that the entire contest of the book is always valid and depending on conditions (relative strength of Muslims) in given territory and suras should be applied accordingly. From this Islamic concept comes “two faces of Islam” concept.
The weapon on the Allah’s way is taqiyya (deceit) when Islam is weak or sword when Islam is strong.
Terror is mentioned as always-valid strategy in Allah’s way.
Without last suras i.e. Sura 9, I do not care about Islam at all. But what bothers me is teaching of suras of the sword.
Tell me what is your “Submitter’s” point of view in this subject?
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munira
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To hansen
The western society gives freedom, lots of it - but unfortunately many are not equipped to deal with it. You are a man of high intellectual achievements and you may be able to manage the freedom - but many cannot. This is where totalitarian ideologies (like islam) make their entry. And many freedoms are actually sham freedoms.
We have to preserve the real freedoms but we have to also take care of those who cannot manage these freedoms (real or sham) and misuse them or are misused by others.
That islam is evil and dangerous is easy for all to see - and yet many have not seen it, or tend to dismiss what they have seen. |
Well sometimes often these western women who fall for islamic guys don't ahve the same "happy family" background...and often they see the islamic family to an outsider which seems like a very close-knit family..when in reality there is a lot of "politics" goings on there. So thats why they start thinking islam is the cause..they never realize the happy family is overbearing etc... But then once they are family members...they are expected to "gaurd their honour" and stuff like that..and then there is the duty to the mother in law which can be a nightmare.. So families that look happy from the outside are not always waht it seems from the inside. |
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bukitdago
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| I personally believe the author of this story had many chances to know real Islam before getting marriage, and she just ignored them. It seems to be human nature that sometimes people close their eyes when they face the truth |
This proof:
1. Human nature particulary woman need love, affection and attention.
She will surrender blindly whose ever give her this treatment.
Woman can fall for a prisoner/killer, let alone a smooth talking Muslim guy with intention to convert her to Islam. She may come from any background. Playboy Imran Khan manage to convert Kristiane a German MTV presenter. He also manage to impregnate blonde Ms White a millioner heirss. Eventually manage to snare and married Jemaima a billioner heiress. Jemaima like the author of the topic eventually realised the real Muslim in her husband. They are now devorced.
But of course the playboy left them muslim seeds.
Of course we know the famous princess Diana. She have everything in the world but tragically lost her soul in the bussom of a playboy Muslim Doddy.
2. Human is basicly a spiritual being who has need spiritual food. The Western anti religion secular have flame the rebelious teenage to ignore and to hate religion. But human spiritual nature will catchup at the end. Consequently she/he may end up into any belief, cult or religion. Those who is unfortunate got snared by sugar coated Islam or other cult.
The right spiritual knowledge education is important starting at home.
We see the fruit of spiritulless western society specially in Europe is so apparent.
The sad thing is this pave the way for sugar coated Islam enter through the backdoor. The Western Media, politician and the world are being blinded by this sugar coated Islam. i.e. New York Time, CNN, BBC, UK TV Channel 4. Channel 4 have broadcast Shariah Law programme for 4 days.
British MP Galloway is another morron (Saddam supporter) He was ellected by majority Muslim fundamentalist in the contituency which not his. He was a Scotish labour MP. Ironiccaly his new party is call "Respect"
Well Islam does not have respect in a literal mean. This party is a bogus.
Islam is one of masterpiece works of the Evil One." The Devil come to steal, to kill and to distroy" " Father of lies/deceiver) " Accusser of our brethern day and night"These charracter very much fit Islam god and it follower.
I hope western politician read this website as a wake up call.
One of this demon possessed jihadis may be able to blow a small nuke bom in one of western Cities. Then the left and Muslim world accuses Israel or CIA. This is Muslim world pattern behaviour.
They may be able to get it from Iran, Pakistan or North Korea unofficially of course. Remember Islam allow to lie or deceive for Allah sake. These jihadis when possessed are no longer function as normal human being. They are just like moron or robot because their soul are being snatched by angel of death.
This jihadis prepare to die even to kill muslims ( it happen in Iraq now)
Sadly the left and muslim do not sees this as crime instead they blame USA. They are proggrammed to hate the infidel especially Jews and Christian. USA is the main target because she is a Christian superpower and a friend of Israel.
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I call for all Muslim especially the Arabs to wake up don't let the Evil one use you as instrument to fight a spiritual battle which you can not win.
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bukitdago
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If you've read any of my post you would realize that I'm anti-sunni, anti-shia and 100% anti-hadith. Trying to compare me to the majority of "programed" muslims does not work.
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If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would misguide you from God's Way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing. (Surat al-An'am: 116) |
If you reject hadith, then you practically denied Mohammad early follower and witness. Thus it make the Quran unreliable or a fraudulent work a collection of poems from possessived dictator or false prophet.
Secondly what you are doing is exactly what the above ayat said " They are only guessing" Since the Quran is not clear cut and contracditory and unchronological.
Now if you believe that Quran is the absolute words of Allah "God" , then you can not deny but must do what he told you to do,
For example
( please do not play guessing work)
47: 4
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
69:30
(The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,
08: 12
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
008: 060
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
002.:191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. -
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Now can you blame the jihadis who you reject?
Is these instruction came from a loving and mercyfull "God"
A sugar coated cult teaching is still stink and revolting at the end.
I am sorry my opinion may make you angry, An operation to remove cancer can be nasty. That is the reality for Muslims who like to know the real truth of their religion.
Can't you see how pathetic the Muslims demonstrator in Afghanistan, Palestinian, Pakistan behave when hearing the article in Newsweek.
Oh, do they really read Newsweek. Of course they don't they just being the victim of those so call Muslims intellectual, imam, politician aggitators with the help of leftish western media.
Can you still say Islam a peaceful religion?
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