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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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 Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: If not Islam then what? |
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DEAR Mr.Ali Sina.
i understand what your site where about, and i also see how hate you and your friends to Islam. well it doesn't impress me much about what you and your friend had wrote on face of Islam. but there are a few questions..
first..without faith who we are or be precise who you are?
second..if one faith prove satanic to you, so what the second best?
third..what prove that the second best is better?
last bu not least...what your will do with another 1.3 billion Muslim around the world...kill them..or deviated them from what they believe?
AFTER ANSWER MY VERY VERY SIMPLE AND UNEDUCATED QUESTIONS..i like to put my own challenge to your site....
MAKE ME AND ANOTHER MUSLIM HATE OUR OWN RELIGION AND..MAY BE(it just maybe) left Islam.
For 700 year lot of people like your tried as much as they can to humilated Islam and encourage Muslim to abandonned what Muhammad had teach us, but...Sad to said to you..they failed. You will the next unless you can answer my challenge. |
Dear Permatang,
Here is my brief response to you. Other friends will respond you in more details.
1- Without faith I am a thinking man. I do not believe in anything but rather doubt, question, investigate and try to understand.
2- All faiths are false because they are based on unsubstantiated claims. However many people need something to believe in and therefore they must have that freedom. But Islam is an evil doctrine that foments hate and advocated violence. Islam must be eliminated not because it is false but because it is dangerous.
3- A religion that preaches love and brotherhood of mankind is better than one that teaches hate and war.
4- Killing is not the solution. Muslims are misguided. All we have to do is show them the way and lead them out of the darkness of Islam into the light of love and make them enter into the fold of humanity.
I can’t make you hate Islam. All I can do is show you the truth and answer your questions. It is up to you to follow the truth or reject it. If you care about the truth you will hate falsehood and hence you will hate Islam. But if you are attached to flashood and there is hatred of people in your heart then nothing can make you change your mind. Some people’s hearts and minds are sealed and no amount of truth will change them.
“ The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.”- Oliver Wendell Holmes
In the past people could not speak against Islam. Those who dared were killed and their books were destroyed. Today we have the Internet at our disposal. Nothing can stop the spread of truth anymore. Muslims can kill me or others who are telling the truth about Islam but they can’t silence us. Our voices are going to be heard in the cyberspace forever until Islam is destroyed.
Truth will destroy Islam. We need no force and no violence. Those who leave Islam join us and our army of light and love will keep growing. The exodus of the Muslim intellectuals from Islam weakens the foundation of Islam gradually and suddenly this whole edifice of lies will collapse. This will happen and most of us who are alive today will see it.
People doubt my statements and think this is impossible. These people see the mighty structure of Islam, but I see its weak foundations. I am not suggesting dismantling Islam break by break. That may take another thousand years. I am dynamiting its foundation. When enough damage is done to the foundation the whole edifice will come down at once, no matter how big it is.
Destroying Islam from its foundation is very easy because Islam is not based on solid rock of truth but on soft terrain of lies. If you read the articles in this site and if you have any humanity in you, you’ll not only leave Islam but will join me and together we will work to liberate the rest of the Muslims. If you love them you will not want to let them perish in falsehood.
Regards
Ali Sina
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farside
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: The Other Side
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: Lesson 2 |
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 Lesson 2 -- Teaching Islam to Children
 Teacher speaking: Children! Please take your seats, connect the chain to your ankles, and read this essay, “A Dialogue On Religion.”
A Dialogue on Religion
 Student’s Question: What was the World’s first great religion?
 Professor’s Response: We will compare the great religions of the world to our modern day educational institutions. Because of its simple and basic belief, the worship of animals  was the first religion and can be compared to our kindergarten grade level of understanding. In Islam such people are considered to be pagans and their elimination is required. Quran 9:5 
Student’s Question: What religion came after animal worship?
Professor’s Response: Polytheism is the worship of many gods. It can be compared to our elementary (primary) school level of understanding. In Islam a polytheist should be killed. Quran 9:5
Student’s Question: What religion came after polytheism?
Professor’s Response: Hebrew is the worship of one God and can be compared to our middle school level of understanding. In Islam such people will be turned into apes by Allah.Quran 4:46-47 
Student’s Question: The next religion?
Professor’s Response: Christianity is at the high school level of our understanding. Christians worship one God, but Islam argues that they worship three gods. In Islam Christians are bound for eternal damnation. Quran 5:72 
Student’s Question: The next religion?
Professor’s Response: Islam is at the university level of complexity. Muslims worship Allah through their daily prayers, but they also worship Muhammad by imitating him which is the highest form of worship in the known universe. Quran 33:21 Those who believe may go to Jannah. 
Student’s Question: Is there any religion after Islam?
Professor’s Response: Yes, child! There is Farsideoloy – the ultimate belief system. It is our graduate school of understanding. It explains the mysteries and wonders of the universe. source
Child, always remember the wisdom of the Farside. 
Teacher speaking: Class, write a 2000 word essay on why the Professor’s Responses to the last two questions are wrong, and then I will unlock your ankle chains and will let you go home. 
Kind Regards,
Farside  P.S. Muslims may have already heard a variation of this essay.
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Iznogoodh
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Hail Farside!
Our leader!
Our Guru!
Whose feet we are not worthy to kiss!
Let's worship His Name!
Let's play His Game!
Farside!
Farside!!!
Farside!!!!!!
Our Salvation!
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Underseer
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Thank you for your thoughtful post, Ali.
Oh, and regarding Farside: Best. Muppet. Show. Ever! |
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mike England
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Location: england
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bushbadee
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All will be well if you remember this basic truth which can solve all of humanities problems.
"WET BIRDS DO NOT FLY AT NIGHT"
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mike England
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lpcrealmadrid
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I read some of the comments from some Muslims in reaction to your articles. I wasn't pleased by the fact that they wished death upon you. That is a SIN, even IF the person was mocking Islam.
Yes, Islam has many loopholes and contradictions. It also may be roundabout and senseless at times. But if everything was based on common sense and reasoning, then, if you were an underdog or if you were in a virtually no-win situation, common sense would tell you that you lost. Before you begin your fight to win, you already have a loser's mentality. Faith, however blind, can stir up courage and determination never seen before.
If you hate Islam so much, why stick with the name Ali Sina? CHANGE IT, DAMMIT!
Hahhah, ok. Back on track now. Prophet Muhammad could have possibly been a killer, assassin, rapist, pedophile, misogynist, etc.. or maybe he wasn't. We'll never know. All we'll know is the story of those who thought of Prophet Muhammad as a perfect man and the story of those who HATED Muhammad. History is only told by the victors. The Muslim Empire was at its best for a hundred years - then it fizzed. The Umayyads took control, and they were the descendants of the polytheists who OPPOSED Muhammad in the first place (documentation? read World History by the people from Glencoe. Also heed the words of historian Christopher Cox, who's a professor at a USA-nationally renowned private school in Maryland) History also can be construed and twisted to meet the author's needs. Do you think we have an accurate account of Muhammad's characteristics by reading a "biography" of him 1500 years later? No. If you (haha) became famous for a new religion called Sinaism, how would you be remembered in 1000 years? Alot of people would make up lies, calling you a womanizer, a thief, a gang-raper, a hitman, whatever. Your true followers would think you were like a god, like you were perfect. Then there's the gray area in-between. THE TRUE STORY. Those people would say you were bold yet mischievous, fearless yet arrogant, revolutionary yet without respect for others.
Whatever the hadiths may say hinting that Muhammad raped little kids can be argued. Hadiths are COMPLETELY random. Some weirdos sporting a beard and wearing a turban made it up or claimed that Muhammad told them about it. Hadiths are absolutely unable to be trusted. I don't believe them or follow them. I only follow the Qu'ran and I know I am not a major sinner. You claim that all followers of the Qu'ran do bad things. What do you mean by bad? Bad in what respect? Oh, wow, you're starting to show some signs of a conscience! You do "bad" things, you KNOW you do. Some of the bad things I probably won't even speculate for it might violate the OnlineDecencyWhateverPactCrap. Oops did I say crap? Is that bad? The Qu'ran doesn't have EVIL in it, but it may have material that may have suited the society of "Mecca, Arabia, AD 620", huh. This material may not be accepted by society today. It may be regarded as intolerant or inconvenient. For example, the Qu'ran says to not be tolerant of homosexuals. This creates a huge problem. There are alot of pro-Gay people out there. Heck, there are alot of GAY people out there. So, my stance is: homosexuals are sinners, but so are billions of people around the globe. Intolerance means not being able to stand it under your roof, under your watch, in your house. That doesn't mean you should go out and drive gay people out of Pakistan or Iran. I have a friend who is gay, I see him as a sinner, but I also see him as a FRIEND. He wouldn't be a good role model for my kids or my grandkids, but, hey, everyone had friends who were badboys or badgirls or whatever you want to call them.
Your statements are as pointed as a knife and as explosive as fireworks, but i enjoy reading them. They make me think about my religion. They make me question it. They make me realize that religion is blind. You will only find out if your faith was real or for naught the day you die.
P.S. ---- I'm 14 years old. If you don't reply to this, I'll just chalk up a victory for me and for REAL Muslims out there, not the fake "hi, i'm al-qali el bagofa, and i am a devout muslim and i have 15 wives and a 10 year old sex slave" sh!t going on in the Middle East.
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Jizyah_Mopper
Joined: 04 Jul 2004
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Dude, you're pretty smart for a 14 year-old. At least you've got enough sense to discard the fluff and go straight for the essence.
Rock on, madrid. 8-)
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I told her to come to my 7-11!
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a_student
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| lpcrealmadrid wrote: |
| If you hate Islam so much, why stick with the name Ali Sina? CHANGE IT, DAMMIT! |
That's because every Iranian man is named "Ali". :-D It does get rather confusing in school, at work, at home, or social events. :O
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a_student
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Lesson 2 |
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There is Farsideoloy – the ultimate belief system. It is our graduate school of understanding. It explains the mysteries and wonders of the universe. source
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We now know Farside to be a false prophet. Why? In his description of Farsideology, he asks that money not be given to him, but, rather, to FFI. If Farside were a true prophet, he would want the money for himself. Compare Mo, L. Ron Hubbard, Sun Myung Moon...
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mike England
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a_student
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I DO NOT LIKE YOU.. OR YOUR COMMENTS
SO I WOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY..
I DO NOT LIKE IDLE THREATS AND BICKERING FROM ANTICHRISTS LIKE YOURSELF
YOU ARE DESTINED FOR HELL.
FEAR HIM WHOM AFTER KILLING OF THE BODY HAS THE POWER TO THROW YOU INTO HELL..
MIKE E
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a_student
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a_student
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I DO NOT LIKE YOU.. OR YOUR COMMENTS
SO I WOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY..
I DO NOT LIKE IDLE THREATS AND BICKERING FROM ANTICHRISTS LIKE YOURSELF
YOU ARE DESTINED FOR HELL.
FEAR HIM WHOM AFTER KILLING OF THE BODY HAS THE POWER TO THROW YOU INTO HELL..
MIKE E |
I get so turned on when you spew the fire and brimstone at me! :(X
Behold! I am the Antichrist!  X Now, everyone, I command you to be good to one another. You may fornicate if that leads to long-run happiness. If you are an attractive woman, you must fornicate with me.  (I'm only emulating Mo here.) You must play John Lennon's Imagine until you are completely brainwashed. You must critically examine any religious claims made to you. You must give me all your wealth, payable to:
A Student
1 Purgatory Gardens
Hell-upon-Thames, HE1 2LL
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Iznogoodh
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| lpcrealmadrid wrote: |
P.S. ---- I'm 14 years old. If you don't reply to this, I'll just chalk up a victory for me and for REAL Muslims out there, not the fake "hi, i'm al-qali el bagofa, and i am a devout muslim and i have 15 wives and a 10 year old sex slave" dung going on in the Middle East.
Ammar |
I agree with Jizyah_Mopper. For a 14 year old person you use quite grown up language and show a keen sight.
Iznogoodh |
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Mus Zibii
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Anything at all! Worship a toaster. Toaster never killed nobody who didn't first fill a tub and throw it in. |
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