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Rasoolpuri
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 Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 3:41 am Post subject: Sex and greatness |
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It is foolish to blame Muhammad as a sexy man .We should discuss how he changed the world and what were the reasons behind this revolution .I think it will be a sceintfic study of the history and life of Muhammad .
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yeezevee
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| Rasoolpuri: It is foolish to blame Muhammad as a sexy man. We should discuss how he changed the world and what were the reasons behind this revolution .I think it will be a sceintfic study of the history and life of Muhammad . |
dear Rasoolpuri from Persia, you may be right and many of us represent Mohammad(Mr.PBUH) NOT AS A SEXY MAN., but sex obsessed DIRTY OLD MAN. Changing the world, The Muslim world is concerned, You can see that All over the Islamic Countries. Essentially a Feudal Rule in combination with begging bowls..
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Phedippedes
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The fundamental question we should ask is not the amount of change a person succeeded in but whether this change was beneficent for humanity.
Mahomet achieved a lot, most of it changed the world we live in into a worse place. (slavery, rape, war, inequality, terrorism)
Jesus Christ achieved even more, yet this change is a mixed bag of positive (Mother Theresa, Bach, the Red Cross) and negative things (Galileo, persuction of Jews, religious wars in Europe). Admittedly some of these negative things (if not all) are the responsibilty of his followers and not the responsibility of JC himself.
Buddha may be the least influencial (in terms of followers) but I do know that virtually all of Buddha's teachings are peaceful and beneficial to people (at worst some of them are a bit weird). So my vote goes to Sidharta Gutama. |
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Sex and greatness |
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| It is foolish to blame Muhammad as a sexy man .We should discuss how he changed the world and what were the reasons behind this revolution .I think it will be a sceintfic study of the history and life of Muhammad . |
I think you have misinterpreted the term "sexy man".
Indulging in sex perversion is not sexy.
Muhammad was no Brad Pitt.
He was more like Albert Fish or Ed Gein.
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daffodil
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| Is there a picture or likeness of mohammad available? muslims give the impression he was handsome and sexy, another Tom Cruise in a kaftan... |
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Galadriel
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| Is there a picture or likeness of mohammad available? muslims give the impression he was handsome and sexy, another Tom Cruise in a kaftan... |
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daffodil
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PUHLEZE Galadriel, you just made me drop my cup of coffee on myself...I oughta sue you...  |
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Galadriel
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| PUHLEZE Galadriel, you just made me drop my cup of coffee on myself...I oughta sue you... |
I am not McDonald's. You can't sue me. There is no contract between you and me.
This is kind of old but still this is how I imagined how Muhammad looked like before I came to know Osama bin Laden.
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Immanuel
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All three of them changed the world... as Phedy said, it matters how they changed.
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Rasoolpuri
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:30 am Post subject: Azl |
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Azl ,its meaning is not raping .If we will not understand the real mean of an Arbic word ,Confusion will arise ,and this is the main cause of prejudcees of west against Islam .
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Galadriel
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Azl |
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Azl ,its meaning is not raping .If we will not understand the real mean of an Arbic word ,Confusion will arise ,and this is the main cause of prejudcees of west against Islam .
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I know 'azl does not mean raping. The word is chosen to explain the reason why 'azl is performed in my all time favourite Hadith that is too long to put in my signature.
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| Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. |
I have explained this matter to Kafir Frodo Baggins when he asked me about the meaning of 'azl (coitus interruptus). I told him that I have reached the maximum number of characters allowed in the signature. So, 'raping' is the most appropriate word to explain the whole story behind the Hadith I quoted.
I intend to replace the Hadith in my signature with this graphic in the future:
  <--- This is black stone in Ka'ba of Makkah al Mukadimah
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Enya
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Azl |
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| Azl ,its meaning is not raping .If we will not understand the real mean of an Arbic word ,Confusion will arise ,and this is the main cause of prejudcees of west against Islam . |
Dear Rasoolpuri,
I assume you know Arabic. We have no confusion on the meaning of AZL. It is Coitus interruptus. But when this so called AZL was performed is what that matters. It was soon after winning a battle (or Ghazwa?) your holy soliders engaged in group sex with those helpless captives of war. Wasn't that an act of rape? or Islamic group sex?
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yeezevee
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| I assume you know Arabic. We have no confusion on the meaning of AZL.. |
the name "Rassol" and "Puri" is interesting one hope "Rassol Puri" meaning of his nick and meaning for AZL.
dear Enya, welcome to FFI..
with best regards
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Rasoolpuri
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject: Azl |
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Azl was a process of intercourse with their wivies to save them from pregnancy,and nothing
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the name "Rassol" and "Puri" is interesting one hope "Rassol Puri" meaning of his nick and meaning for AZL.
dear Enya, welcome to FFI..
with best regards
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Galadriel
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Azl |
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Azl was a process of intercourse with their wivies to save them from pregnancy,and nothing
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Azl was nothing? Really? Read again:
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Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
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What does the 'azl above tell you?
Taking captive pretty Arab women for ransom. It is also called kidnapping.
What does the above Hadith teach you?
It teaches you not to trust your husband when your husband go to jihad. Why? Because they are horny men who have no self-control and will not hesitate to rape pretty women. Just look at these early Muslims behaviors. Muhammad did not even rebuke them for not being faithful to their wives. They don't even have self control to hold on. If they really love their wives they should wait until they go back home to have sex with their wives.
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