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scaredguy
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 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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doubtless
start doubting your own conceit and immaturity.
We means I and you.
We have to take care of the weak means I and you have to take care.
We can consist of just two human beings, it does not have to be a million and they don't have to be party members.
We does not mean central committee of the communist party.
And you too should learn to diffrentiate bewteen communism and stalinism/maoism. |
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doubtless
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| start doubting your own conceit and immaturity. |
what was conceited and immature in what I wrote?
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hacel
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I do not want to belong to any "we"
I am I and I agree only to go into alliance with other I to advance my I.
This "we" stuff is indded collectivist in general and specificly it can be communist, fascist, Islam or what have you.
I am as much anti -islamist as I am anti-we.
Been there know that. Thank you very much.
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nomad
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Why do you use the word communist as an expletive?
To say: take care of those who are weaker, those who cannot manage many of the freedoms, that some freedoms are just sham - is that worth only an abusive retort?
Differentiating between 1)communism and 2)stalinism/maoism is beyond your intellectual and cultural ability? |
Absolutely not. I've no problem sitting down and go through all sorts of communist related -isms. Dzugashvili adopted the name Stalin (man of steel) and proceeded to act according to his new moniker, the result is Stalinism. Communism with a Chinese face gave us in Maoism. But when all is said, done and examined, even though each -ism and its development can be attributed to a particular situation or even culture, it's still about death and destruction of at least one hundred million human beings. Human sh!t is different from bullsh!t but it's still sh!t, right?
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scaredguy
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hacel - speaks as if she/he has absorbed too much scientology.
Communism is a very old ideal - and it was "developed" by many into many directions.
Let us not create an atmosphere of verbal upmanship among us. Otherwise we will waste too much space on it.
You (nomad, HD) mean under communism something which US capitalists mean. But that is not the only meaning. And the US capitaists have a lot of dirt sticking on them too. And in no case did they want that communism in any form should have the slightest success, and the "commies" helped them in this through their own crimes and foolishness. |
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Alkaliel
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| It's a very enlightening story. Although Turkey is a secular country, it appears that it's still infected with Islam. The same goes for the sons of this country. |
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WhammyAthame
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
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hacel - speaks as if she/he has absorbed too much scientology.
Communism is a very old ideal - and it was "developed" by many into many directions.
Let us not create an atmosphere of verbal upmanship among us. Otherwise we will waste too much space on it.
You (nomad, HD) mean under communism something which US capitalists mean. But that is not the only meaning. And the US capitaists have a lot of dirt sticking on them too. And in no case did they want that communism in any form should have the slightest success, and the "commies" helped them in this through their own crimes and foolishness. |
There are some native tribes in South America that live by the principles of communism. Everything is shared and each member does what they do best and contributes what they can. But it only works as long as there are less than 40 members in each village. It only works as long as each person views the others as part of their immediate family. They take care of each other because they care about each other. If a group starts to get too big it will break off into smaller groups.
It's also important to note that they are still very very primitive. They will stay that way because in order for their system to work nobody is allowed to stand out. Those who are the best at what they do, hunting, fishing, etc are not allowed to receive recognition for it because that can cause dissention. The best hunter brings home the game which is cut up into equal pieces for everybody, if he knew he was the best he might think he is entitled to more.
They also share their wives, well actually the men don't share, the women choice for themselves who will be their lovers and they can take up to four husbands. This is considered good in the tribe because everybody gets to know everybody else intimately and it tightens the bonds between them.
So yes forms of communism can work, but only when the groups are small and close and individual achievement is ignored. |
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scaredguy
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to whammy
If they are happy, it's all right. Are we happier than them because of our moon-landings and mobile phones? |
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hacel
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to whammy
If they are happy, it's all right. Are we happier than them because of our moon-landings and mobile phones? |
What will happend if one of them will figure out he / she does not like it?
I do not mind if somebody wants to live in kibutz. Just I do not want that and I disaprove if tribe / country closes boarders so nobody will escape like from the prison.
In collectivism you are property of collective. That is why I prefer individualism
And BTW in America there is no capitalism already long time. What you see is stage of socialism.
Read Ayn Rand and Von Misses (my favored) 
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scaredguy
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to hacel
no wonder you mention Ayn Rand - she lived in her own strange world of hate. She made money, quite a lot, by serving the capitalists and ignoring their ill-deeds. She is no exemplary for human life. |
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hacel
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no wonder you mention Ayn Rand - she lived in her own strange world of hate. She made money, quite a lot, by serving the capitalists and ignoring their ill-deeds. She is no exemplary for human life. |
How about Friedman?
BTW, how Ayn served "capitalists" and what do you understand by "capitalists"?
And what do you have against ownership of efects (consequences) of individual's decisions? Do you believe I should work and you should take and consume efects of my work?
Collectivism is very old deal.
The first collective system to my knowledge was Sparta. It was sort of fascism, as we would call it today.
Also from ancient Greece comes Plato with his Republic.
If in my opinion Spartan system influenced Rome, Plato plus Rome influenced all systems ever after.
In such Plato were father of all fascisms and communisms and other dictatorships of the later history.
Modern day communism (as per scaredguy) was invented or rather implemented by Jews somewhere at the end of 18 century.
Than come Marx with his communist manifesto. Or maybe Jews implemented Marxism as Marx wrote his works before 1863 (when he died). Anyway Marxist foundation for his Communist Manifesto was faulty understanding of the “price”. Although merchants through centuries had right understanding what price is, in time of Marx modern economist tried to fit this concept of price in their class view of things. It did not fit of course. I will not present here economical concepts so just shortly, Marx thought the price is sum up cost of making things, while it is subjective value, customer is willing to exchange for such thing.
Yet many believing Marx was right, did see the difference between price and costs as rightfully value of worker class. Hence revolution (to take what theirs) or socialist wealth distribution systems like today in Europe (Fabian socialism) or in lesser extend but still in USA.
Marxism was mandatory prerequisite in my schooling like Koran in Islamic country. While Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman or Ludwig Von Misses or Prof. Hayek, were underground censored out books for reading which, one could go to prison.
Tell me scaredguy, did you read Marx, Von Misses, Keyness (socialist apologist in economy), Ayn Rand or anything on the subject?
As many here suffered Islam, I have suffered communism, so you understand that your proclamations are for me, like for others here that Islam is good.
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SKENDERBEG
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I cant stand these dumb women in western countries, they cry about Christianity being to "harsh" or oppressive, than they go join Islam the most oppressive backward violent religion in the world . what's more sickening is she never read the Quran before she became a Muslim.How stupid can these women get? No Answer needed, Mohammed was right on one thing, he said Women are dumb. sorry but its always women who r so naive.
Don't these Women know by now that Muslim men will Lie cheat say anything to get them. Once they do Many of these Women will cry many tears from abuse,
Ali sina Is Right when he say's there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim,
If They believe in Mohammed they can become fanatics over night, |
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WhammyAthame
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If they are happy, it's all right. Are we happier than them because of our moon-landings and mobile phones? |
They seem to be happy. Murder, child abuse and rape are unheard of. When one of the men in the tribe beat his wife HE was banished from the tribe, although he was still cared for. He was fed and protected but he wasn't allowed to live in the group anymore. However, they die of common diseases that we can prevent, the area where they live is shrinking, and they live with the danger of the elements and wild animals. |
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Sumon1
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Savagery and pillage is the other name of Islam. Islam was, is, and would remain “nightmare” for the mankind.
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scaredguy
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To hacel
You did not suffer communism but something that was called communism by the capitalists, something that was called communism by those who managed it in a totalitarian fashion, something which was called communism by those who wished to attract poor and wretched people to support them, and so on.
The problem is not communism but totalitarianism - just as islam too is a totalitarian ideology.
Furthermore do diferentiate bewteen state-ordered-communism and local communism.
I do not know of any capitalists who had the decency to say that they will not exploit anyone's ignorance, weakness or powerlessness. May be there are some such fair-minded capitalists - that would be good news. |
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