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ZugasiBerepe
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: Turkiye
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why always USA or Australia???
Why dont they trie to go to india or why dont they try to go to a christian country in africa???
why not a poor country south America???
why dont they choose those christian countries for their great faith(!)
they can pray very well in africa as well...
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Nicolei
Joined: 19 Feb 2004
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why always USA or Australia???
Why dont they trie to go to india or why dont they try to go to a christian country in africa???
why not a poor country south America???
why dont they choose those christian countries for their great faith(!)
they can pray very well in africa as well...
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The only "Christian" country in the world is the Vatican. All others that you mentioned are secular countries.But you are oblivious to this because you cannot conceive the idea of separating separate Islam from the state.
Why USA or Australia? Well because the Muslims apostates here obviously know English instead of Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Swahili or any of the numerous Bantu and other languages in Africa, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian.
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Ampbreia
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: U.S.A.
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why always USA or Australia???
Why dont they trie to go to india or why dont they try to go to a christian country in africa???
why not a poor country south America???
why dont they choose those christian countries for their great faith(!) |
Well... why not? There are plenty of other options.
The only reason I can think of for their not choosing just any free country is economy. It can be hard enough for an immigrant to be accepted in a rich country. Even in a rich country not everyone is rich and job competition can be stiff - meaning outsiders are bound to be viewed with resentment by those natives who are not succeeding well themselves. It's harder still in poorer countries, I imagine, when immigrants have to compete with poverty-stricken natives for jobs.
The U.S., I know, is pretty welcoming, very much a melting pot, with cultural niches all over the place but blended in the public arena with a great deal of friendliness and tolerance... well, up until 9/11 anyway. Since then, Muslims are now viewed as suspect and somewhat cold shouldered, but not Arabs and Persians in general since most of those here are actually Christians, Aetheists, Jews, or Agnostics that fled from Dar Islam and this fact is fairly well known. The ones who fled, IF they can get through our presently more rigorous security screenings are welcomed here and sympathetically treated.
I can't speak for the situation in other free nations like Canada, Australia, Israel, & EU.
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Bolding Hansen
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I just wonder if they have any clue that their email ended here ?
Anyways I am probably gonna send an email later.
I think Spain might be a good country for them, it depends however what kind iof Christians they are or consider themselves. Spain is rather liberal as to refugee´s I think.
As UNHCR refugee´s they stand their chance anywhere in Europe though.
If they can live with cold climate they could try Sweden, they turn few away, provide a lot of help from day one, after all they are the moral superpower in the world |
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ZugasiBerepe
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
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Location: Turkiye
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why always USA or Australia???
Why dont they trie to go to india or why dont they try to go to a christian country in africa???
why not a poor country south America???
why dont they choose those christian countries for their great faith(!)
they can pray very well in africa as well...
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The only "Christian" country in the world is the Vatican. All others that you mentioned are secular countries.But you are oblivious to this because you cannot conceive the idea of separating separate Islam from the state.
Why USA or Australia? Well because the Muslims apostates here obviously know English instead of Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Swahili or any of the numerous Bantu and other languages in Africa, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian. |
"in God we trust"
i thought that there are still bibles in courts ?
or is that a propaganda what i see on "hollywood" made films...
anyways USA is not secular.accept it or continue to dream  |
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Ampbreia
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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Location: U.S.A.
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Yep. Still on the dollar bill.
The earliest colonialists to what became the U.S.A. were British Puritan Christians on the run from the Catholics they'd so oppressed (and pissed off) during the reign of Oliver Cromwell. They were a self-righteous, superstitious, intolerant lot - but they were also very self-reliant and capable of learning through their own experiences.
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Yep. Still there. Other religious books are there for people of non-Christian faiths to swear on too. This is possibly an outdated and far from universally accepted practice. It is naieve, I think, for them to assume that swearing on a holy book is valid for all people. I'm agnostic. Swearing on a Bible would mean nothing to me. I would swear to tell the true (and do so) only because I am an honest person. Muslims don't swear on the Koran either, do they?
You will even find plaques of the Ten Commandments given to Moses in many couthouses, although recently, it was contested in one of them on the grounds that it was representative of a religion that not everyone shared. I do believe they even had it removed. I think that's petty. Taken outside of the false context of religion, the Ten Commandments, is simply a very basic recipe for peaceful and equitable human relations - the proper thing for any law to be. Should it be condemned just because it has a religious history as well?
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or is that a propaganda what i see on "hollywood" made films...
anyways USA is not secular.accept it or continue to dream |
As I said, the USA had religious founders of the Christian persuasion and so has certain traditions associated with that. But the lesson those early Puritan settlers eventually learned and passed on? Do not mix politics with religion. If a religion is in power, it will oppress and suppress all others. Everyone should be free to practice religion (or not) in accordance with their own heart and mind without being abused for it. The only restriction on that that is asked from anyone is that they do not impinge on the freedom of others to do likewise.
We don't have a state religion as many monarchial and despotic nations do. Our laws are not based on religious strictures, but rather on practical needs and circumstances as voted for by our citizens. Many of those voting citizens are not Christian. When a law is posed that shows so much of a religious bias that people not belonging to that religion won't vote for it, it tends to get thrown out - and different states can, and often do, vote differently on such issues so different states have laws that are unique to them: gay marriage or not, death penalty or not, abortion or not, drinking age, motor vehicle laws, residency requirements....
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THE BELIEVERS
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
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MY advice to this sweet family is that
U MIGHT AS WELL KILL YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU KILLED YOURSELF THE DAY U LEFT ISLAM AND TOOK SINA AS YOUR FRIEND(satan's a better choice)oh sorry there is no difference between the two.
YOU(family)said that hopefully 'JESUS' will help you.Don't kid yourselves,on the day of judgement he will deny you and seek refuge from ALLAH against you.insha-ALLAHU-TA'ALA  |
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Kantipala
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The hardest thing for my practice on the cultivation on loving thoughts was, after cultivating them for my self, was towards hostile people.
To cultivate love towards them is like trying to justify bigotted, hateful attitude. Also like trying to say that some how I was wrong, and if I think good thoughts, and behave it will be ok.
Loving thoughts do not justify the actions of others. Nor do they condem the actions of others.
Lovingly wishing others well being, comes with knowing healthy wel being your self. Once you can send loving thoughts totaly to yourself, forgive yourself, others, and feel the healthy state of mind it brings. You can wish that genuine well being for hostiles. such as our muslim guests above
wishing simply, and sincerly, desiring for there well being. It is easy to see they are the victoms of there own thoughts, and can only be well and happy with better understanding of there negative mental habits, what they are doing to themselves, and doing to the world.
Loving friendly thoughts is wishing for them to have this understanding. Wishing to over come this huge emotional hurtle they are facing in there lives.
Never is what they are doing ok, nor do you need to make it be ok to spread this desire for the healing power of mindfulness and wisdom to sooth there battered hearts.
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It is the hardest thing to love some one who thinks you are lower than dirt. ( It was far harder for me to love myself) I am amazed at how bright and loving my heart has grown towards myself and the rest of the world, but even I am nothing but dirt in there eye's.
Not nearly as bad as loving someone who thinks your dirt is someone who has murdered your mother, father, ralatives, friends, children. Nothing is as strong as a mothers bond to her child, and to have that bond shattered by a suicide bomber taking his life because he thinks his life un worthy in the eyes of God. Expecialy small children, who are naturaly pure of heart. Deemed satanous kafirs, pawns in Allahs war against creation.
Forgiveness of them for causing pain, giving permittion to let go of the pain. Allows our hearts to remain calm and peacful. Allow our minds to become centered, and consintrated. Consentration being a secure main stay in the rough in secure waters that is the human condition. Like a parent putting on there oxygen mask in a burning plane, for the sake of better asisting there child.
With the mainstay of a heart secluded into itself, feeling a source of pleasure not the least bit effected by anything that the conditional world can throw at it. Can then work patiently threw the hardships of others cultural insecurities, group evolutions, and egoism.
It was not that long ago that communism was spreading, one country revolution after another. The free world gradualy surounded by a forse it was not sure it could win against. But that society that thought itself so perfect, flawless, and utopian by nature.
It ended up destroying itself by its own inefficiencies, obression, violence, paranoia, hatfull thinking.
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As with every group that thinks its better than the rest, from Hitler to Osama Binladen. The violence and human carnage can never be justified, can never be righted, and can never be forgotten by those who were victoms of it. It can be let go of, the wounds can be given permittion to begin healing, and every child thats born there after is its own person, with the rights and worth there in.
As everyone desires there own happiness in what ever the form. Some people it is fanticies about virgins others it is a happy home. There is huge healing power in wishing them to have "true" happiness. Happiness that comes from an amancipated heart, free from aversion, malice, and cruelty. Free from any wrong understanding that would lead it into fear and bondage.
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THE BELIEVERS
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kantipala:'Once you can send loving thoughts totaly to yourself, forgive yourself, others, and feel the healthy state of mind it brings. You can wish that genuine well being for hostiles. such as our muslim guests above'
i send this message right back at you.
now let me try and understand,you are saying that a muslim who accidentally encountered this site,thinking it might be an interesting site goes in to explore,and BOOM finds millions of messages insulting and humiliating ISLAM,should just forgive and forget AND should act like everything is peachy.
PLEASE don't make me SICK. |
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Kantipala
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| super sensitivity is often the sighn of imaturity. It also does not take a phcology wiz to realise the tone in your message suggests a less that healthy outlook |
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Ampbreia
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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| now let me try and understand,you are saying that a muslim who accidentally encountered this site,thinking it might be an interesting site goes in to explore,and BOOM finds millions of messages insulting and humiliating ISLAM,should just forgive and forget AND should act like everything is peachy. |
You know THE BELIEVERS, it is a very true saying that what goes around comes around and Islam and Muslims have earned themselves a Sh*tload of karmic grief. Why do you think people are running out of anything good to say about Islam or Muslims? Hmm? Could it be your constant terrorist attacks and assorted inhumanities?
Well I don't wish you anything good except that you experience in full exactly what you dish out so that your soul can eventually learn some compassion.
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Nicolei
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MY advice to this sweet family is that
U MIGHT AS WELL KILL YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU KILLED YOURSELF THE DAY U LEFT ISLAM AND TOOK SINA AS YOUR FRIEND(satan's a better choice)oh sorry there is no difference between the two.
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And this coming from a follower of a man who when he was 53 years old took a nine years old girl who was still playing with dolls to be his wife. And yet the believers consider him to be the greatest prophet of god, al-insan, al kamil, whose lifestyle and outlook should be emulated by all peoples of all cultures and ages and for all times. The same man who initially thought that angel Gabriel was a demon and depended on his first wife Khatijah testimony to assure him that the spirit is divine. This man depended solely on the testimony of only one woman who did not personally see the angel, yet later a legal system based on his teachings was developed whereby women’s testimonies are invalid for hudud cases. and the testimony of one man is worth that of two women in non hudud cases.
This same man had visions that no one else saw and heard voices inside his head that told him that there is no compulsion in Islam yet later he said the opposite - that infidels and apostates must be forced to submit to Allah or else be killed. He preached of a merciful and compassionate Allah and yet he sanctified plunder, rape, slavery and pillage in the name of his merciful and compassionate Allah.
He preach an egalitarian system where all believers are equal, yet he had more that ten wives while his followers have a 4 wives limit. He also got the lion's (lying) share of the booty.
Today, if a 53 years old man hears voices in his head that tell him one thing one day and later tell him the opposite thing, claims himself to be a prophet and takes a nine years old girl for a wife, he will be certified as blooming schizophrenic and a pedophile to boot. Yet the Believers who believe that the prophet's ideal example cuts across all cultures and ages and is to be emulated would get hopping mad if we were to say that by today’s standard their prophet would be a blooming schizophrenic and a pedophile.
A legal penal code system was developed from the teachings of this self proclaimed prophet whereby a murderer can pay blood money to the victim’s family (provided the victim’s family agree), yet a thief is not given such an escape clause to return the stolen goods and further make compensations to the victim. Instead the thief is given a mandatory sentence to amputate one of his limbs. And Muslims scholars say that this disparity in punishment (where a muderer but not a thief or an adulterer, can escape punishment) cannot be altered because they are the perfect laws of the all merciful and all compassionate Allah. Furthermore The Believers are told that they cannot question the disparity but instead to submit themselves to the perfect laws of the all merciful and compassionate Allah for mankind for their Allah is all wise and knows best.
The irony is that instead of recognizing the demonic incongruence of their belief system, The Believers will castigate people who point out the above, as Satan or satanic and that former believers who reject and flee from this belief system should kill themselves. The Believers’ reaction further confirms the demonic dimension of their belief system.
Apostates and we kaffirs would like to thank people like the Believers because they will strengthen our resolve to expose the the darkness of their belief system, many aspects of which can only be described in demonic terms.
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Immanuel
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MY advice to this sweet family is that ...
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Is this also a consequence to this "hate-filled website"? Or perhaps is YOUR hate-filled, brainwashed mind which produced this?
I will not stop anti-jihading until no persons like you are left on this world (no physical threat intended).
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| THE BELIEVERS (a Muslim) wrote: |
MY advice to this sweet family is that
U MIGHT AS WELL KILL YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU KILLED YOURSELF THE DAY U LEFT ISLAM AND TOOK SINA AS YOUR FRIEND |
This is the best proof that apostates have no right to live according to Muslims.
If Islam isn't a Satanic cult, I don't know what is.
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THE BELIEVERS
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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IMMANUEL:'I will not stop anti-jihading until no persons like you are left on this world (no physical threat intended).'
how will you get,people like me to stop existing on earth,with no physical threat intended?
Hope you live long enough to get more than a billion people off this earth?good luck
Now you all keep accusing the prophet(pbuh), but i'm yet to see proofs,that he commited these accusations.
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