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thunderbalt
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 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: Pope John Paul will be a Saint |
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Pope John Paul is said to have cured the sick miracously.
An example given is a child with paralysis.
Any other known cases? |
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Leo
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| Who gives a damn about the pope? Thunderbolt, you see the fallacies of Islam but can't see the fallacies of that Mickey mouse religion of yours. |
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rainbow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Mickey mouse or not - at least the Pope doesn't submit fatwas and call for jihad 
Rainbow
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Pope Ben XVI: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."
Koran: 9.111 fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain
2.216 Fighting is prescribed for you.
9:14 Fight them! |
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Satyasevi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| rainbow wrote: |
Mickey mouse or not - at least the Pope doesn't submit fatwas and call for jihad
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I don't agree. When he came to India, some years ago, he put a cross into the soil and stated that this land belongs to Jesus.
He said that the first millenium we (the church) conquered Europe, the second millenium we conquered America and the third millenium we will conquere Asia. What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
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shima
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Satyasevi wrote: |
| What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
Both mean war. Jihad is a method of war also known as terrorism.
Crusades were defensive wars.
As for comparing Christianity and muhammadanaism, they don't compare, they are apples and oranges.
Christianity is a psiritual way of enlightening people, it's aim is happiness, prosperity, progression and peace. A religion full of good thoughts encouraging good deeds. I have never seen anything gross about Christian communities. Not that there is no criminals among Christain societies, but those criminals are actually going against Christianity.
islam has nothing positive in it, no wisdom, no good thoughts, no good deeds. criminals in islamic communities are the ones who follow islam the most. And most often their victims are the really good people.
So jihadi terrorists and crusaders could be thought of as armies of good and evil.
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Pope John Paul is said to have cured the sick miracously.
An example given is a child with paralysis.
Any other known cases? |
I know several doctors who have cured lots of patients, I know lots of cops who have saved lots of lives. I know a nice apostate lady who created an ever growing self-supporting group for women who leave their abusive muslim husbands and start new happy lives under new identities.
There are millions of living angels and walking prophets among us, symbolically speaking. Look and you shall find.
I like Catholics a lot, never had a problem with any Catholic, but I don't buy the Popal system and all that gold and glory. Vatican has done a lot of good deeds though, symbolism is too strong and outdated, but the goal is nobel.
Asia will never be Christanized totally. The superior cultuer prevails, unless the inferior culture was extremly cruel as to destroy the whole culture at any cost, like muhamadans.
Asians do have a very deep civilization, in fact it was the first civlization. Asian ideologies are way up there, Christianity is a high class ideology too, they are good matches. But not necessarily oposites. Asians are doing good following their own ways. They are not barbarians, nor ignorant tribal people in need of guidance. Except for the islamized parts or hard core communists.
Asians will get over communism and islamism on their own.
It doesn't have to be replaced with Christianity, every Christian has a choice to convert to anything they like, no force and no punishments are ever imposed. Yet it's number one religion, mostly by choice.
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Satyasevi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| shima wrote: |
| Satyasevi wrote: |
| What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
Both mean war. Jihad is a method of war also known as terrorism.
Crusades were defensive wars. |
Maybe for Europe, but not for Hindu and Buddhist lands in Asia.
Ever heart of the Goa inquisition?
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16gupta.htm
Besides this, muslims claim also that jihads are defensive. |
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shima
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Thanks for the info, I'll do some weekend study 
How can terrorism be defensive?
muslims have been the attackers and islam has been promoted by force and kept by force and lies only.
Maybe when somebody wants to resist that force and lies they get "defensive."
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knight_of_st_john
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Satyasevi wrote: |
| shima wrote: |
| Satyasevi wrote: |
| What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
Both mean war. Jihad is a method of war also known as terrorism.
Crusades were defensive wars. |
Maybe for Europe, but not for Hindu and Buddhist lands in Asia.
Ever heart of the Goa inquisition?
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/mar/16gupta.htm
Besides this, muslims claim also that jihads are defensive. |
Why do you bring up instances over 500 yrs old?? fanaticism of any kind in the Church has been long gone. the Church(for reasons beyond my understanding) has a very secular view of other religions esp. hinudism. how could you possibly explain the large hindu popl. of UK,USA etc. If the Christians were really that zealous about their religion, wouldn't we have thrown out the Brahmins from these Christian dominated nations??
Hindus,again for reasons beyond my understanding, have always been welcome in the west. and to think... you compare the Church to islam.
Ok, so the Pope did plant a cross in India and said this land...bla blah blah.....but, what did he do to promote that statment??
get all of his Swiss Guards to conquer India and convert everyone by force??.......i dont think so!!conversion to Chritianity in India is and always will done by setting an example of how a morally right human being should be.
How did Rome accept Christianity as state religion?? did Jesus's apostles invade Rome and put everyone to the sword?? it was only by martyrdom that it spread.
and dont start with all of that food in exchage for conversion propaganda.
awaiting your response satyadevi
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rainbow
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Rediff.com is an unreliable source of information. I followed that news source post 9/11 thinking they were better at breaking news than the usual bbc and cnn etc, but after a while I saw time after time they were often wrong in their reporting and their assumptions. They even declared bin Laden had been found once.
There is a lot of propaganda going on in India about christianity, and brahmins who don't want to see the lower castes leaving. Islam is our problem and we must work together - christian and hindus together, with religious identies taking second place. We are human beings first - hand in hand in our stance against terrorism today and in the future.
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Pope Ben XVI: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."
Koran: 9.111 fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain
2.216 Fighting is prescribed for you.
9:14 Fight them! |
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thunderbalt
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Satyasevi wrote: |
| rainbow wrote: |
Mickey mouse or not - at least the Pope doesn't submit fatwas and call for jihad
Rainbow |
I don't agree. When he came to India, some years ago, he put a cross into the soil and stated that this land belongs to Jesus.
He said that the first millenium we (the church) conquered Europe, the second millenium we conquered America and the third millenium we will conquere Asia. What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
Satyasevi:
If Pope John Paul II said so, then he is a Saint,
because this is what is happening. |
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Seif
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To the Catholics here, you have my deepest sympathy. One does not have to be a Catholic to see that your Pope John Paul II was a great man and did a lot of good on Earth. I have no opinion on "Sainthood" for this man, that is up to you Catholics and your internal criteria. I can only say that he is a loss for the Catholic church as well as others who believe in peace.
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maha_swami
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| Satyasevi wrote: |
| When he came to India, some years ago, he put a cross into the soil and stated that this land belongs to Jesus |
may be he meant from the historical perspective that once Jesus roamed India, which is now believed by many theologians
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Wodan82
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| shima wrote: |
| Satyasevi wrote: |
| What is the difference between a jihad and a crusade? |
Both mean war. Jihad is a method of war also known as terrorism.
Crusades were defensive wars. |
That is not strictly thrue. Alto the crusades against Islam were defensive, there were also crusades in North-Easteren Europe.
These Baltic Crusades had as goal to christianize the heathen tribes there. The Teutonic Knight for example conquered Prusia in 1226, al Prusians who refused to become christian where killed.The Lithuanians hold out until 1251.
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Jacquelina
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I'm sure that Pope John Paul II (nee Stanislaus I, nee Karol Wolityza, or however you spell his last name) will be a saint one day. He was one of history's more popular popes, as well as one of the longest reigning; he reached out to the people and helped change history. He tried to be a role model to people in general. His conservative attitudes on sex, babies, women, and papal supremacy were his main bad points, and those negative attitudes are very old within the Church, going back several centuries. I suspect the positive will be remembered more than the negative, and I suspect he will be canonized.
ONE MORE THING. THE POPE AND THE CHURCH WERE WRONG TO FORBID THE ORDINATION OF WOMEN! It's unfair to women to deny women a say in making the rules of a religion!
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thunderbalt
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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ONE MORE THING. THE POPE AND THE CHURCH WERE WRONG TO FORBID THE ORDINATION OF WOMEN! It's unfair to women to deny women a say in making the rules of a religion! |
Jacquelina:
The Catholic Church is more liberal than you think regarding the role of women in the Church.
But about ordination of women, that is different, disagree with you there. |
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